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The second leg of the UEFA Europa League Third qualifying round is Thursday 15 August. Kerry usually play on Friday night. Kerry would have been expected to play Bohemians on Friday 16 August. The Bohemians match is scheduled for Sunday 18 August. 18 August would suit Shamrock Rovers after European football on 15 August. Is there a link?
Unless the FAI had to schedule all the last 16 ties by a specific date, it's more likely they've already decided not to take any further action on the case.
If they signed off on him playing and they kick Bohs out, unless they said “you can if you think he is eligible to,play, but it’s on you” then it looks a fairly forward case Bohs could take against them.
no chance any action is being taken!
Yeah, I'd be of the opinion that, as soap-opera-y as it may appear,Rovers are not interested in having a beef with boez,but are actually seeking to highlight the utter ineptitude of the FAIlures.
It's a clubs responsibility to make sure a player is eligible not the Fai's. If the fai said its OK and it turns out to be wrong its on the club. I still think it will be like appealing against red cards I.e pointless but let's see.
Even if the FAI gave the go ahead it means nothing. Its always on the club
Any idea why is it taking so long for the FAI to make a decision …. In fairness to Bohs if they the question and FAI confirmed in writing that he was cleared to play against us ; then surely the logical outcome should be a replay and Devoy not allowed to play in itQuote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
With the onus on the club to confirm eligibility, who much further can a club go than contact their FA to check. If the answer was player cleared to play then the club can do no more. If there is nothing in the rules for this sepcific situation and no precedence then they easiest path to a solution is mark iit off, close the loophole, and carry on as you were. To do anything else makes it a lot more complicted, over turn the result and the FAI are open to a suit as could replaying the match. It would be tough for rovers to build a case in te absence of clear rules and CAS type decisions would be to diiss and fix the rule book going forward. Its certainly some added interest in the cup after your own side are no longer involved. The fair thing to do is to replay the game, Bohs dont want to risk their place, Rovers will be desperate to do anything to improve their chances for European qualifiction with a league slot at risk. Been a while since we've had this kind of drama.
Id wager the reason no decision has been made is that the FAI are looking to pay Rovers a settlement and basically end the case there. In the few days before the next round is due to be played there will be a token statement from the FAI and Rovers will have a few extra euro in the transfer kitty next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
How did the issue come to Rovers attention? Is it usual for a club to trawl through a players history and/or registrations. Delaney gave Waterford a free peak at all Dundalk player registrations after a playoff loss.
In which case we should be able to replay our league game v Dundalk and he be allowed play, as he served his suspension in that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
I’d be amazed if they did that and we accepted it…. Are you basing your view on some info you’re aware of ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Another Bohemia
Not a chance we would take 30 pieces of silver off the FAI.
IF the rules havent been applied properly then its a 3 nil forfeit.
From LOI Central podcast today Dan McD saying some sources in FAI now saying they might have messed up compared to the original "nothing to see here comments"
It seems like Rovers have an argueable case but i still think the FAI will whitwash it.
Ive said it already i dont care about the cup but putting one over on Bohs like this would be funny.
I'm just basing it off any time a large company or governing body makes an error. That's the basic playbook. They try to keep it out of the courts so as little light is shined on it as possible and promise to do better next time or update the regulations while changing very little if anything at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
There is a similar enough precedent to this with Sean Hargan back in 2006. He picked up four yellows, and was due to be suspended after the disciplinary committee meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Another Bohemia
However, IIRC, for some reason, the committee decided on this a week earlier than usual, so didn't email (or fax, depending on the story) the club straight away, instead intending to leave it to the next week. The FAI then forgot to send the email the following week, Derry forgot about the suspension, and he played three games before everyone copped on, then he served his suspension.
Shels, or Ollie Byrne more precisely, lost the plot over this. In the end nothing happened, so the FAI took the blame for not sending the email.
This is the same season that Shels attempted (and succeeded?) to have Bohs deducted points over Jason McGuiness playing when suspended too.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...sh/4793513.stm
More on that here, including Ollie Byrne complaining that Dublin City's results were expunged from the table, giving Derry an advantage. Remember that saga? All the while knowing the Revenue Commissioners were closing in with their winding up order. Heady days.
https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce.../26353294.html
An interesting theory but it might make sense because bar the Rose of Tralee what would be the reason to play this game on a Sunday afternoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
Not a chance the FAI admit anything. Not sure what your options would be beyond that?
I dont think many forget the Stuey Byrne league winning post match interview that time, one of the oddest very LoI moments ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by brendy_éire
Kerry played Drogheda on that Friday last year. Everyone in Kerry expected Friday night. The Sunday fixture has come out of the blue. It could be festival related but there was no statement saying it was for those reasons. All hints at the date being selected by the FAI.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Wonder when the appeal is being heard.
Surprised Dan Mc doesnt have it
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Originally Posted by sbgawa
from his weekly newsletter released in the past half hour:
"Rovers remain confident of success in their FAI Cup protest. Bohs are confident too. Clarity is needed early this week"
Have it? He already knows the decision! Fran and Irene don’t do accountability. There’s always next year I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Should a more important question be what consequences will the FAI face for this f"ck up entirely of their own making?
Had it been Bohs fault they'd be dumped out the cup and probably fined. Surely the FAI should be looking at how this happened and who is responsible.
The responsibility is on Bohs to make sure players are eligible not the FAI.
If the FAI ****ed up by telling Bohs he could play so be it but the consequences for them will be zero as the responsibilty is with the club.
Bohs asking the FAI for clearence and been given it is meaningless it id the international FIFA laws that count.
Will be interesting to see how the FAI try to get out of this
Is there precedent on a club asking that national body for a ruling and then being punished because the national body got it wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
You're right. Bohs should have consulted a few mediums, gotten a tarot card reading and read some tea leaves. Speaking to the organizing body of the competition was a really weird way to verify a players eligibility and there's no way that organizing body's decision should have been trusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
It would still be interesting to know how it was flagged up considering the Bohs were told the player was clear to play. Is there a researcher that digs in to these things on the off chance or were Rovers tipped off about the possibility of an issue? As Ive alluded too it wouldnt be the fist time that an FAI official tried to look for a loophole trying to overturn a result. Its messy, mistakes happen and maybe clubs and assocation should just move switly on with the FAI bucking themselves up. Rules may tie hands but awarding a 3-0 win to Rovers would be harsh so fair play would be a replay imo considering Bohs did what was needed of them, checked if there was an issue and the competition organisers said no.
The Fifa rules are very clear and its the responsibility of the club to ensure player eligibllity by reading said international rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Another Bohemia
np mediums needed just a competant secretary.
asking the FAI is abdicating responsibility and if the fai get it wrong then its on bohs.
still think the fai will try to push it through but the word seems to be they know theyve ****ed up
The FIFA rules are indeed very clear but they don't clarify whether the governing body receiving the player's registration choose to apply the suspension in cup or league competition.
First competitive game where nonequivelent cup. Pretty clear to me.
Like i said though expect the Fai to try to weasel out somehow.
They are hardly going to change their culture of lie and deny overnight
The sanction was issued by the organising body of that competition, the league, rather than the national federation (FA Cup, FAI Cup). Ireland doesn't have an equivalent (it has a regonal cup competition, but not a League organised cup competition).
In short:
There isn't one!Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Exactly we don't have an equivalent cup so next competitive fixture imo
Anyway whatever about if u or I are right the appeal decision will be out soon enough I guess.
If sources in the FAI are telling dan mcdonnell that they may have screwed up its obviously not either simple or cut and dried. Odds are still the FAI will as usual bend the rules to avoid admitting they've screwed up. Look at all the red card appeals this year ......
It's a cultural thing with them, don't come out and be honest about mistakes pile on with more.
If the onus is on the club, looks like an automatic 3-0 loss. Harsh considering the player served the suspension in the next game. The FAI incompetence laid bare. Will they ever learn?
Not sure it's a done deal yet tbh. Even if they are wrong it's still questionable of they will front up. Be glad to hear the outcome it's getting boring at this stage. Can't understand why such a long delay. The kangaroo courts for appealing sending off is done within a few days
Its likely they are trying to get the 2 clubs to agree to something that saves face. If both clubs stick to their guns, rightly so, the delay is probably due to head scratching in Abbotstown. They are probably looking to UEFA/FIFA and for any precedence in other wold leagues to justify their fudge.
Exactly, it isn't. The language used in your earlier posts don't match this at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Like i said lets see what the outcome is.
Bohs should be safe based on FAI precedent for cover ups if one is needed
I saw three tramps sitting on a grassy knoll earlier having a lovely discussion….Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Fake news the counter snipers would have taken out the tramps on that Knoll. Lets make loi great again.
If it was decided there was to be a replay then it's only fair Bohs replay Dundalk in the league with Devoy available this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99