2022 Season, Arrivals and Departures

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Originally Posted by D24Saint

Clancy is only down on linkedin as a Pro candidate but has the A licence. What's the requirement the A or the Pro ?

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Once enrolled its satisfies licensingm Clancy should finish his pro license in 2022. It seems that O'Donnell is enrolled on the 2023 course but that could be just speculation that he will be on the next available course, are the FAI are currently taking applications? Its one of those quirks to licensing like having planning in for a ground satisfies some stadia criteria. It will be interesting to see how the lack of a Pro license is sorted especially if someone is added to the coaching staff - I think Mick Neville is to return to the club with the underage setup and he has a Pro licence.

If Alan Matthews is on the St Pats board then he surely is the link between player contract status and talks and the boardroom or should have been, Its possibly splitting hairs but if Dundalk acted in good faith after being told S'OD was out of contract its more likely that this info was given by the agency initially.

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Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract

Youre right yeah, should probably close this forum down now so.

Talking about a match after it’s over? What’s the point, it won’t change anything because Team A beat Team B.

The spire has been bombed? What’s the point in talking about it, it won’t undo the bomb

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Of course fine to talk / discuss, but no point giving out / complaining, SOD clearly wanted out of St Pats and made that clear, officially gone now so that's that.

I suppose there is a worry now on out of contract players, but that's nothing new for 70% of clubs most seasons.

Surely a courtesy call from the new Dundalk owners to our officials could have saved a lot of turmoil here. It seems they took O'Donnell's word that he was out of contract in blind faith and that was it.

You may be right but I think Dundalk were tight on options and out of contract is out of contract. I doubt O'Donnell blatantly lied, he thought/thinks that an existing clause wasnt activated and didnt sign a new 2 year deal in september. Why offer someone a new deal anyway if you can just trigger a 2 year extension?

Reading this is like certain Harps fans logging into Companies House in the UK looking for anything on Directors and staff at Derry City.

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Originally Posted by DCSIL

Reading this is like certain Harps fans logging into Companies House in the UK looking for anything on Directors and staff at Derry City.

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in what way DCSIL, conspiracy stuff or the wall of silence from Oriel leading to speculation that its just a waiting game?

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

in what way DCSIL, conspiracy stuff or the wall of silence from Oriel leading to speculation that its just a waiting game?

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Conspiracy stuff on theirs Nesta. The amount of People Pats have in the Media Circle doesn’t surprise me the way it has blown up.

any talk of where paul doyle of ucd will end up?

Bohs re-sign 11 for next season already. If there's going to be a battle between Bohs/Dundalk/Pats (and maybe Sligo) for the same players, then that's a solid start - and probably highlights that Dundalk are at a bit of a disadvantage as they're probably going to have most churn this pre-season.

Georgie Kelly not among them - could be on a 2-year-deal of course, or is there interest from elsewhere?

No Kelly, Buckley, breslin, cornwall or surprisingly Promise O. Devoy had a year to go on his contract so can't eave until next year anyway. It's a start but its kind of the ones you'd expect wouldn't have a lot of options except maybe burt and coote, talbot

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Originally Posted by D24Saint

Surely a courtesy call from the new Dundalk owners to our officials could have saved a lot of turmoil here. It seems they took O'Donnell's word that he was out of contract in blind faith and that was it.

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There could be something in that for sure, but that's the part which obviously needs to be confirmed, did his actual contract run down after the cup final, and was any future deal an 'option to extend' past Nov 2021, also was anything signed or was this just a verbal conversation / assumption ?

I`m sure its in everyone's interest to get all of this cleared up, Pats to get closure and Dundalk to formally announce SOD and add to the current squad of 1 senior player !

Although indications are a flurry will sign on for 2022 and beyond given the change of ownership last month and the imminent arrival of the new manager.

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Treaty have signed:

Jack Brady (along with Tadhg Ryan, if he stays, that is a very well covered position)
Willie Armshaw
Marc Ludden
Jack Lynch

Good stuff so far, although there's not many on the team that other (better positioned) clubs would want to take I suppose.

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Treaty add:
Callum McNamara
Red Hanlon
Matt Keane
Stephen Cristopher
Lee Devitt (from Cobh)

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Originally Posted by DCSIL

Reading this is like certain Harps fans logging into Companies House in the UK looking for anything on Directors and staff at Derry City.

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I shouldn't, but I'd love an explanation on this one.

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Originally Posted by oriel

There could be something in that for sure, but that's the part which obviously needs to be confirmed, did his actual contract run down after the cup final, and was any future deal an 'option to extend' past Nov 2021, also was anything signed or was this just a verbal conversation / assumption ?

I`m sure its in everyone's interest to get all of this cleared up, Pats to get closure and Dundalk to formally announce SOD and add to the current squad of 1 senior player !

Although indications are a flurry will sign on for 2022 and beyond given the change of ownership last month and the imminent arrival of the new manager.

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Just curious - if someone's contract had run down why do you think they'd feel it necessary to "resign"?

It will be interesting to see how the whole thing plays out. I’d say regular fans like us will never find out the whole details. If Dundalk appoint the individual next week then they and him are in the opinion that they are in clear/right on the matter. If he isn’t appointed soon then murkier waters start to appear for Dundalk and himself. It will suit our ends to drag the thing out until after Christmas at least if it appears his contract extension is valid and legal.

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

Devoy had a year to go on his contract so can't eave until next year anyway.

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Nonsense. You said a while ago he was signing for Shams, now this.

Why do you make stuff up like this and post it on a public forum? What do you hope to achieve with all this bluffing?

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

I shouldn't

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No, you shouldn’t really.

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Originally Posted by Northsider

Nonsense. You said a while ago he was signing for Shams, now this.

Why do you make stuff up like this and post it on a public forum? What do you hope to achieve with all this bluffing?

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I heard he was signing and then that he wasn't as he had a year to go on his contract...
If I'm wrong fair enough but I don't think I am in terms of him having another year as the reason he is staying.
It is a discussion forum by the way that allows for speculation

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Originally Posted by patsdad

Just curious - if someone's contract had run down why do you think they'd feel it necessary to "resign"?

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Smoothing things out for St Pats owner and CEO because he doesnt want to burn bridges with those he has built up a rapport with? Maybe the contract included a 'be nice' clause!

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

No Kelly, Buckley, breslin, cornwall or surprisingly Promise O. Devoy had a year to go on his contract so can't eave until next year anyway. It's a start but its kind of the ones you'd expect wouldn't have a lot of options except maybe burt and coote, talbot

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Devoy signed a new improved contract a few weeks ago

You can't believe that Nesta? There is NO sane reason he'd resign if he was out of contract.

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

Smoothing things out for St Pats owner and CEO because he doesnt want to burn bridges with those he has built up a rapport with? Maybe the contract included a 'be nice' clause!

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That made me smile!

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Originally Posted by patsdad

Just curious - if someone's contract had run down why do you think they'd feel it necessary to "resign"?

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He could be resigning from the position, and by doing so not taking up the offer of the 2 year extension, for example in this scenario could it be that he was leaving his contract that was due to run down at the end of December or did it expire after cup final?

It will all boil down to the detail, if he signed an extension then yes Pats will be due compensation, if it was only verbal, that's going to be hard to see how anything will be due, but DFC will need to have assurances on either before they can formally announce him.

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Originally Posted by ashbournebohs

Devoy signed a new improved contract a few weeks ago

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Well i guess its for at least two years then.
Good business, if he continues to improve i cant see him seeing out the contract but it will be for a move across the water for a fee.

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Originally Posted by sadloserkid

You can't believe that Nesta? There is NO sane reason he'd resign if he was out of contract.

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Its looking more and more like the issue is to do with some clause in his original contract and how that is activated. I do think that S'OD is acting on the advice of a lawyer which could include the need to state things clearly. Its not the first time there will have been differing interpretations on clauses. Do I think there was a 'be nice' clause, no of course not. Do I think its possible that the path of least resistance is being taken - yes. Swallowing some pride to stop a protracted legal process can do no harm if it helps clear the way to moving on. If it turns out that there was a error made by O'Donnell so be it. Its obviously not a cut and dry set of circumstances. It wouldnt be the way Dundalk do things, with the return of certain people, if they knew their target was still contracted to a club - the club would have been approached formally. Maybe it the easiest way to reconcile everything but there would be no surprises if an agent was the one pulling strings and gave assurances on the contract status etc.

Adam Foley confirmed for Drogs

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Originally Posted by oriel

He could be resigning from the position, and by doing so not taking up the offer of the 2 year extension, for example in this scenario could it be that he was leaving his contract that was due to run down at the end of December or did it expire after cup final?

It will all boil down to the detail, if he signed an extension then yes Pats will be due compensation, if it was only verbal, that's going to be hard to see how anything will be due, but DFC will need to have assurances on either before they can formally announce him.

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Maybe the mix up is with interpretation. If we had the option to automatically extend his contract and choose to notify him (as id say is normal procedure) then he could interpret it that he verbally agreed to the extension an extension we were legally within our rights to exercise without even consulting him. If anyone has experience in this type of thing then id love to hear their opinion on the matter. I've no clue what we would look for in compensation if we had to pay Drogheda 10K in an amicable negotiation. Is 40-50 in the ballpark I wonder.

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Originally Posted by SeanDrog

Adam Foley confirmed for Drogs

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Should be a good addition if he can find his form of the early part of last season….

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Originally Posted by SeanDrog

Adam Foley confirmed for Drogs

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Great signing. Impressed me this season. A real presence on the pitch, which should work really well at a tight ground like in Drogheda.

#DunPats Crisis hits new level of LOLS :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFx3wV2X...jpg&name=small

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Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado

#DunPats Crisis hits new level of LOLS :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFx3wV2X...jpg&name=small

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Jaysis :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado

#DunPats Crisis hits new level of LOLS :D

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFx3wV2X...jpg&name=small

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Some have time to burn that’s gas . I think it’s a must that Pats v Dundalk is the first game of the season.

Imagine what they might have done if it had been Mastermind Matthews we had gone after

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Originally Posted by mcgonigle

Imagine what they might have done if it had been Mastermind Matthews we had gone after

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Be lucky if Oriel survived, the pitch would be an improvement I’d imagine though.

Ye'd think they would have hung it in the centre of the doorway, its its bugging the OCD in me:mad:

Does O’Donnell even have his badges yet?

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Originally Posted by DCWA

Does O’Donnell even have his badges yet?

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We're still trying to figure out if he has a contract, the badges can wait! :)

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Originally Posted by DCWA

Does O’Donnell even have his badges yet?

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https://youtu.be/VqomZQMZQCQ

Webster re-signs for Harps https://finnharps.ie/david-webster-re-signs-for-2022/

Delighted with this news

That was filmed in El Paso!

The answer to the original question is no, he hasn’t. That’s why we employ him (still) as a coach, not manager.