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And played them well, very well...
Hes a lot better than I thought he was a year ago, still think hes a bit small but he looks excellentQuote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Trying to display the image but can't store so my reply might not make sense
https://m.sundayworld.com/sport/socc...-40518355.html
Small you say(kelleher)?
I think he should go out on loan. But just to play devil's advocate, he has definitely improved a lot in the last year. If you compare his 20/21 performances for Liverpool to those in 19/20 in the EFL and FA cups, he improved significantly. He showed similar levels of improvement for Ireland, looking better against Hungary than he did in some of his under 21 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Could he be improving enough at Liverpool for now? Goalkeepers have a long career. Could he improve plenty at Liverpool this season again and would that be best for him? Or, as Ireland supporters, are we the selfish ones (not Klopp) that want him to get into a Championship team or top flight European side and establish himself as our number one in doing so?
Just asking the questions. I still think I'd rather he move on for a season on loan. Also, there are questions on him under the high ball that haven't been answered in his recent games for Ireland and Liverpool that are, for me, helpful in mapping his improvement levels.
Both Kelleher and Bazunu are 6 foot 2 inches, which is a fairly good height for a keeper. Anything 6 foot 1 and over is generally fine. Travers is 6 foot 3, Randolph is 6 foot 2, not much between any of them, but you probably notice the extra inch Travers has when it comes to penalty shootouts.
Christy Pym, who is apparently Irish eligible and interested is "only" 6 foot. He'll probably be the smallest keeper in the Championship next season with Peterborough. He's right on the line for what is generally workable for a pro keeper in terms of height.
Travers reach you mean is much greater? Does it help him for penos ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Given was six foot, but it was usually noted that he was short for a goalkeeper
The Old Saying ~ Never fall in love with a small goalkeeper.
Travers has an excellent record in shootouts - saved all of the opposition penalties in one a couple of years ago if I remember correctly. I think a lot of goalkeeping is down to positional sense, awareness, reading the game etc, so a smaller keeper can sometimes be better in general play if they have the right attributes. In shootouts though, size is much more important, the more of the goal you can cover the harder it is for the opponent to score.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Travers probably doesn't have quite the same potential as the other two, but he's the kind of player you'd take to a finals tournament as a third keeper and genuinely consider throwing on in the last few minutes if it's looking like going to pens.
Shay was just over 6 foot, not quite 6 foot 1. It didn't stop him from making it at a very high level, but I always felt it stopped him from taking the next step on from Newcastle to a regular Champions League team.
Liverpool will need to sign another keeper along with resigning Adrian if Kelleher is to be loaned out.
Grabara is back from a loan spell in Denmark (he had spent the previous season at Huddersfield), same age as Kelleher but looks like Kelleher has moved above him in the pecking order. Have a feeling Liverpool will sell him though, leaving only Alisson, Kelleher and Adrian as the 3 options. There is no standout option at youth or under 23 level who will make the jump to senior (despite Liverpool having a ridiculous number of keepers on their books).
Adrian is firmly 3rd choice aswell now, when he has filled in for Alisson liverpool have suffered for it.
Ya all fairly logical and sensible. Given was brutal really at penos, what annoyed me was how he talked himself up, a bit like Paddy harrington after 2008.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
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Originally Posted by seanfhear
Better to have loved and lost a short keeper than never to have loved a tall.;)
He needs to be gorgeous though !Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
New long term contract for Kelleher at Liverpool: https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/fir...pool-contract#
Not to be crass, but what are we talking about here circa 22k a week ?
I'd imagine a loan might be back on as an option for him now, considering himself and Adrian have both signed new deals. Hardly any point keeping both of them on the bench, if they really want him to be second choice they can put in a recall clause in the event Alisson gets injured.
He’s not going on loan.Quote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
He’s 2nd choice so if anyone is being sent out it’s Adrian.
Clubs like Liverpool generally will have three keepers on the go. Unless one of the younger keepers comes back to cover Adrian, Kelleher will be staying put. I'd like to see him get a Premier League loan but doesn't seem too likely.
Caoimhín declares himself fit to play against Mainz on Friday evening, having recovered from a slight knock (www.liverpoolfc.com 22July)
Kelleher to start this weekend as Brazilian players are not allowed to play after not being released for international duty.
He's an interesting one. He could be the next Dean kiely though at both international and club level
I’ve been very impressed when I’ve seen him (which is not that often in fairness.) In Hungary when they got a half each I actually thought he looked a little better than Bazunu. We’re in the happy position of having them both for the next 10-15 years anyway, injuries permitting of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I thought so too and agreed with p stu, he also just doesn't have the same presence as kelleher but his ability on the ball and particularly that direct floating ball over the top is enough to keep him ahead of kelleher.
Gaelic and football have become a lot more aligned in recent years than either would care to admit.
Kelleher is as good with his feet as Bazunu ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
And I'm not sure about Bazunu's GAA pedigree but I know that Kelleher's brothers play senior hurling and football for Blackrock in Cork!Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I thought so too but I have to be honest and say Kelleher never impressed me for the U21s - most notably Toulon - and also in one or two League Cup matches for Liverpool I thought he looked very raw. He played a blinder in the CL against Ajax though but got lost under a high floating inswinger that he missed completely but luckily for him the ref blew for an earlier foul. He was excellent in Hungary.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
Bumping this post from Razor, almost 12 months ago!Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Interesting to go back over the Kelleher and subsequently Bazunu discussion from page 1 here.
It's borderline impossible to know where Kelleher is at because he plays so infrequently for club and country. All we can go on is 'Liverpool rate him' at this stage, which doesn't really mean a whole lot other than stalling his development by not allowing him go out on loan. His international career may have already been sacrificed as a result (admittedly a bit dramatic but Bazunu is younger and it's his position to lose now).
PS- Good call Razor!
I've always felt that if he's so highly rated by those working closely with him he must be special and I must be missing something. It's just that until Ajax and Hungary I'd never really noticed it.
Even Ajax is overblown I think because of the importance of the one save he had to make, it was routine enough. He was very good in Hungary alright.
Routine? It was a bullet header from point blank 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
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Originally Posted by CSAD
Looks great in real time but in truth it's pretty much straight at him. I think it would have went down as being poor had it gone in. But it didn't, so all good. :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha33pKvtu-k
Edit - to be fair "routine" was a poor choice of word, it's not the type of save that's needed to be made very often, but I do think it's one a keeper should make.
To be fair bazunus mid air ones against Serbia mkstleu were all fairly straight at him too. But his ones to feet were very good saves.
Worth pointing out, a goalkeepers good positioning often makes a fairly difficult save look relatively easy.
Have to be in the right place at the right time to make those saves, and that's a large part of the game for a goalkeeper now.
I'd be biased in favour of Bazunu given the Rovers connection particularly as when he was home during the summer he was seen regularly at matches but i think the first team football is the clincher in terms of playing for Ireland.
If Kelleher or Travers aren't playing then the number 1 position is his by default IMO.
Obviously if he was having a mare and letting us down that's a different story then you take a chance on a different guy who is warming a bench week in week out but until he starts letting us down he is the only logical choice.
If Kelleher makes the breakthrough and actually starts playing for Liverpool it would be hard to leave him out while playing regularly for a top 4 club unless Bazunu was in goals for city.
Wouldnt it be gas all the same considering the poverty of Iriah players at top clubs if City and Liverpool first choice keepers were Irish ;)
The 'embarrassment of riches' dilemma Brazil currently have! Unfortunately neither of those two are going anywhere soon, both having signed long-term contact extensions in the last month.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Would love to see Kelleher going on loan and getting good game time
Would be great, but its hard to see either (let alone both) of these mega rich clubs putting their trust in a young Irish goalkeeper. You never know I suppose, but it would have to be considered unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
The counterpoint is that these clubs spend a lot of money on their academies and owners want to see a return on investment. I think managers also take pride in giving elite young players breakthrough opportunities.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
All of that said, I think the likeliest path to actually earning the shirt at one of these clubs for Bazunu or Kelleher would involve a lengthy enforced absence to the main goalkeeper. And even then they would have to be almost flawless for that initial period right after the starting keeper became unavailable, and before a potential replacement was brought in.
A tough road but it’s never easy trying to make the breakthrough at clubs of that level. Would love at least one of them defy the odds and make it happen.
Azeri keeper didn’t pull off the same routine save from Duffy a few days ago.