Nathan Collins D Brentford b.2001

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Originally Posted by Diggs246

He's committed alright tbf!
His regularly drops character in his posts. Where its clear he is a native English speaker using Dublin slang.
If i had to guess he has manipulated his IP, he's living with his mum and likes dungeons & dragons

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You just described actor Michael B Jordan. Apart from the manipulating IP part, I'm not sure of his networking admin skills

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Originally Posted by John83

His IP address is Argentinian, so if it's a bit then he's really committed to it.

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A VPN is easy to switch on. I use one all the time to use the RTE player for example. Takes about 10 seconds but it definitely takes a strange mind to continue the bit so long.

Hi I am a professor engaged too, worked in Suisse years ago, and a true peronist. About Collins and O'Shea yes I would have them for midfield, I wouldn't discard Duffy nor Egan, Egan is better but Duffy is a set pieces weapon too. Don't play the dungeons and dragons and don't know any Dublin slang at all, I speak rioplatense Spanish as in Buenos Aires province and Uruguay as a whole. That Collins is Barça worthy, reminds me Lawrenson!!

Collins reminds me of McGrath. So calm and assured. I think he’d be excellent in midfield.

As I said here before, in front of two CBs (any two of O’Shea/Egan/Duffy) he would excel I think.

Cullen and Hendrick CM and Knight just ahead of them.

Wing backs of Stevens and Doherty with Obafemi and Parrott up front.

Some good players on bench then in Ogbene, Robinson, McClean.

Hogan unfortunately hasn’t taken his chance in these games (although was unlucky with header against Scotland)

I thought Hogan was lively against Scotland in general (and Lithuania before that), but certainly given the longer time on the pitch against Ukraine, he didn't do great.

Did he pick up a knock in the first half. Pretty sure commentary passed comment that they were surprised to see him out again for the second half.

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Originally Posted by JR89

Did he pick up a knock in the first half. Pretty sure commentary passed comment that they were surprised to see him out again for the second half.

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Really? I wasn't surprised. He should have been removed earlier. He was terrible.

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Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish

Hi I am a professor engaged too, worked in Suisse years ago, and a true peronist. About Collins and O'Shea yes I would have them for midfield, I wouldn't discard Duffy nor Egan, Egan is better but Duffy is a set pieces weapon too. Don't play the dungeons and dragons and don't know any Dublin slang at all, I speak rioplatense Spanish as in Buenos Aires province and Uruguay as a whole. That Collins is Barça worthy, reminds me Lawrenson!!

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Never change. You're actually good value!!

[QUOTE=Fixer82;2114314]Collins reminds me of McGrath. So calm and assured. I think he’d be excellent in midfield.

As I said here before, in front of two CBs (any two of O’Shea/Egan/Duffy) he would excel I think.

Cullen and Hendrick CM and Knight just ahead of them.

Wing backs of Stevens and Doherty with Obafemi and Parrott up front.

Some good players on bench then in Ogbene, Robinson, McClean.

Hogan unfortunately hasn’t taken his chance in these games (although was unlucky with header against Scotland)[/QUOTE

Omabamidele has got to be way ahead of Duffy as a serious contender for a CB position.

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Originally Posted by John83

His IP address is Argentinian, so if it's a bit then he's really committed to it.

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Andy Kaufman lives!

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I thouged.ht Hogan was lively against Scotland in general (and Lithuania before that), but certainly given the longer time on the pitch against Ukraine, he didn't do great.

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He got a knock. Played very well vs Scotland he did ok first half in Poland. We need his positioning a la Givarch At least france1998

Burnley expected to allow Collins to leave and have targeted Luke McNally as his replacement, according to Neil O'Riordan.

Would be a good move for McNally, and if Collins doesn't get a move then be great to have both lads playing together. One of the best defenders in League One last season. Thought Swansea would have been all over this lad as he'd suit the way they want to play.

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

I've followed Nathan Collins career with interest for a number of years now. What he is playing at the moment - for Burnley, for Ireland last month... this isn't news - this is the ability he's had.

He's big, strong, deceptively quick, agile. He's a heads up player, composed and calm, and he's very aggressive with the ball at his feet, very progressive when his team are in possession, and ultra strong at set-pieces in both boxes.

I said to a friend who follows the Irish teams more than English football a few months ago - he could be playing somewhere big outside England in 3 years time. He's that good.

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Called it!

Called Aidan mcgeady. Hope this one turns out a (lot) bit better than that

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Called it!

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Which big club outside England has he been linked to? I've read Leicester, Villa, and Leeds, but nowhere outside England.

Kinda surprised he isn't linked with bigger teams. Like if I were Chelsea who lost Rudiger and Christiansen - I'd be chasing him and Kounde. Thiago Silva is 38 in September, he can't have too much longer left in him beyond the current season. I don't think there's a signable centre-back in the premier league with the upside that he has. I feel like him signing for Villa or Leicester or Leeds is a needless step. The way Konate progressed at Liverpool is what I'd expect Collins to do at a team like Chelsea. Obviously guys can move from those mid table sides like Leicester and Villa to top teams pretty easily if they're good enough (good example: Van Dijk, bad example: Harry Maguire) but it probably means a move to a top team is at least 2 years away.

I wouldn't want him to go to United cause of the disaster that their defence is - but they tried and failed to sign Timber from Ajax who is the same age as Collins for a similar asking price

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Originally Posted by elatedscum

Kinda surprised he isn't linked with bigger teams. Like if I were Chelsea who lost Rudiger and Christiansen - I'd be chasing him and Kounde. Thiago Silva is 38 in September, he can't have too much longer left in him beyond the current season. I don't think there's a signable centre-back in the premier league with the upside that he has. I feel like him signing for Villa or Leicester or Leeds is a needless step. The way Konate progressed at Liverpool is what I'd expect Collins to do at a team like Chelsea. Obviously guys can move from those mid table sides like Leicester and Villa to top teams pretty easily if they're good enough (good example: Van Dijk, bad example: Harry Maguire) but it probably means a move to a top team is at least 2 years away.

I wouldn't want him to go to United cause of the disaster that their defence is - but they tried and failed to sign Timber from Ajax who is the same age as Collins for a similar asking price

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Sure, it'd be great fodder for the likes of Balls, Joe, Pundit Arena and the typical Irish barstool 'fan' if he were to go to Chelsea or Arsenal, but at 21, the most important thing is that he's playing.

Potential is one thing, but he's only going to reach the heights that he seems capable of reaching if he's playing first-team football.

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Originally Posted by Trequartista20

Sure, it'd be great fodder for the likes of Balls, Joe, Pundit Arena and the typical Irish barstool 'fan' if he were to go to Chelsea or Arsenal, but at 21, the most important thing is that he's playing.

Potential is one thing, but he's only going to reach the heights that he seems capable of reaching if he's playing first-team football.

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Theres no reason he wouldnt play if he went to Chelsea, personally I think he'd start immediately there

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Theres no reason he wouldnt play if he went to Chelsea, personally I think he'd start immediately there

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I'm wouldn't be quite as confident about that. It has to be remembered that Burnley were one of the poorest sides in the PL last season and Collins didn't become a regular for them until March.

If one of the clubs he's been linked with (ie Leicester/Wolves etc) signs him I'd imagine he'd be likely to start, especially given the mooted outlay involved.

I absolutely believe that he has every attribute required to be a top centre-back at one of the blue-chip clubs within the next few years, I just think there's another stage involved before he gets there.

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Originally Posted by Trequartista20

I'm wouldn't be quite as confident about that. It has to be remembered that Burnley were one of the poorest sides in the PL last season and Collins didn't become a regular for them until March.

If one of the clubs he's been linked with (ie Leicester/Wolves etc) signs him I'd imagine he'd be likely to start, especially given the mooted outlay involved.

I absolutely believe that he has every attribute required to be a top centre-back at one of the blue-chip clubs within the next few years, I just think there's another stage involved before he gets there.

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Yes but when he did become a regular he was almost immediately nominated for Premiership player of the month. I think he will end up going to a mid Premiership club but I just wouldnt rule out his capability to set up to a big club already

Burnley have just bought Northern Irish CB Daniel Ballard for £2 million from Arsenal. They're in massive financial trouble with Nick Pope just gone to Newcastle for a paltry £10m. Looks to me like Collins is on the way out.

I suggest that foot.ie buy Nathan Collins and loan him out, South American Style ~ ~ Perfect opportunity for Bielsa’s Irish to prove his bone fides. I only want 10% for this tremendous idea.

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Burnley have just bought Northern Irish CB Daniel Ballard for £2 million from Arsenal. They're in massive financial trouble with Nick Pope just gone to Newcastle for a paltry £10m. Looks to me like Collins is on the way out.

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pope only had a year left on his contract i think , couple that with relegation and theres not much hope of getting a decent fee from a pl club. they have the leverage.

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

pope only had a year left on his contract i think , couple that with relegation and theres not much hope of getting a decent fee from a pl club. they have the leverage.

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Pope has always looked a good traditional style goalkeeper to me ~ ~ I don’t know too much about his distribution / ball foot work, because you wouldn’t have seen too much of that at Burnley. I like big / calm / assured looking goalkeepers and Not Jordan Pickford style goalkeeping. Not saying Pickford doesn’t have some good points but, calming down his defence certainly isn’t one of them.

As a goalkeeper Pope could have 5 years or more left in him so it does seem a good deal for Newcastle. Are prices getting a bit more sensible at the moment ~ ~ Below the upper echelons anyway ?

Pope at £10 million seems cheap to me.

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Originally Posted by Trequartista20

I'm wouldn't be quite as confident about that. It has to be remembered that Burnley were one of the poorest sides in the PL last season and Collins didn't become a regular for them until March.

If one of the clubs he's been linked with (ie Leicester/Wolves etc) signs him I'd imagine he'd be likely to start, especially given the mooted outlay involved.

I absolutely believe that he has every attribute required to be a top centre-back at one of the blue-chip clubs within the next few years, I just think there's another stage involved before he gets there.

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In fairness, for Burnley, he was competing against their best player (Tarkowski) and their captain (Mee) for 2 slots - and not bringing him into the fold earlier is probably what cost Dyche his job.

What I've seen of him in recent months indicates he'd go into chelsea's team. Honestly I'd have him over every centre half they have: Thiago Silva (37), Malang Sarr, Trevor Chalobah, Levi Colwill - it's not an impressive list. They lost Rudiger and Christiansen this summer, having sold Timori, Guehi and Zouma last summer. If they were to bring Collins in as one of two additions, I'd be confident he'd be playing regularly

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

pope only had a year left on his contract i think , couple that with relegation and theres not much hope of getting a decent fee from a pl club. they have the leverage.

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You're right, he had only one year left on his deal, but Burnley had the right to extend his contract for an additional season. Burnley need to raise £75m this summer.

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

Burnley have just bought Northern Irish CB Daniel Ballard for £2 million from Arsenal. They're in massive financial trouble with Nick Pope just gone to Newcastle for a paltry £10m. Looks to me like Collins is on the way out.

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Ballard to Burnley seems to have fallen through; the Norn Iron international is now linked with Sunderland. So Burnley will probably start the season with Collins and Long as the CB pairing.

They’ve agreed a fee to sign Irish Centre half Luke McNally from Oxford.

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Originally Posted by elatedscum

In fairness, for Burnley, he was competing against their best player (Tarkowski) and their captain (Mee) for 2 slots - and not bringing him into the fold earlier is probably what cost Dyche his job.

What I've seen of him in recent months indicates he'd go into chelsea's team. Honestly I'd have him over every centre half they have: Thiago Silva (37), Malang Sarr, Trevor Chalobah, Levi Colwill - it's not an impressive list. They lost Rudiger and Christiansen this summer, having sold Timori, Guehi and Zouma last summer. If they were to bring Collins in as one of two additions, I'd be confident he'd be playing regularly

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Speaking as someone who saw pretty much every game Levi Colwill played fpr Huddersfield last season, he's a future England international, possible captain. He is absolutely fantastic. At least as good as Collins, I would say. And I think Collins is phenomenal.

Wolves supposed to be the expected destination for Collins now,20.5 million the supposed fee…

That'd be a very sensible move for him I think. Slight step up from 12 months ago and a chance to show what he can do in a passing team who have a habit of selling on to the big clubs.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

That'd be a very sensible move for him I think. Slight step up from 12 months ago and a chance to show what he can do in a passing team who have a habit of selling on to the big clubs.

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Bang on. And at just over 20m pound, if he does attract interest from a bigger/better side then Wolves will still get a good return on that and someone would double their money for them if he ever did reach the top 6 level.

Collins to Wolves confirmed

Solid move, happy to see. Robbie Keane still the highest irish transfer fee? Adjusting for inflation of course which isn’t done traditionally when considering transfers fees

Duff still the highest adjusting for inflation. Collins the highest if you don't take that into account.

I guess those rumours of a contractual relegation clause must have had something in them; £20m seems inordinately cheap for a player of Collins' potential. There can't be many better young centre-backs in Europe right now. His goal against Ukraine showed exceptional ability.

There are very few risks involved in signing a player who's only going to get better, and it wouldn't be hugely surprising to see him move on for double Wolves' initial outlay in a couple of years' time.

Seems like a great piece of business.

The reports are that there was no clause. Plenty of clubs took a look but it seems only one made a bid in the end. Burnley's relegation will have contributed also but at the same time - and in know it's a bit of a cliche - but you can't help feel that if he was an up and coming English player he would have gone for a lot more.

Even yesterday Keane Lewis-Potter's transfer was a bigger news story in the British football media despite him having never played in the Premier League and Collins being a senior international - but then Lewis-Potter has England Under 21 caps. Will be interesting to see what level both players are at in three years time.

I expect the 20M means more to Burnley now than a potential 40M in a few years. Their need may have surpressed the price a little. Still, how many players of any calibre or age move from the Championship for that kind of money? Transfer fees are crazy, but you can't pay €100M for everyone!