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10/04/2018, 11:08 PM
Nesta99

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Originally Posted by Pablo Escobar

I agree with this. You could even go a step further back say that if the Waterford bench didn't interfere with the ball that Griffen tried to retrieve, then none of it would have happened. .

Apart from being able to go back a whole lot of steps and where do you stop, what the Waterford bench did initially would be seen at every game, no different from a keeper scrambling for the ball after a goal to delay the restart especially if there is risk of a comeback on. It doesnt very often end up with a melee and 6 red cards shown. As for whom suggested some rascist angle from Caulfield what a load of horsesh1t!!! Dont know why he said he picked up the ball then got pushed, he didnt get a chance. Of course there are people enjoying the amatuer dramatics, scapegoating, and JC landing on his ass (how many Cork fans would honestly deny having a good smirk if it was Stephen Kenny) - I would bet JC is regrets letting that happen more than anything else as as a player he wasnt shy about throwing his weight around although his reputation was to kick and run. When's the disiplinary panel sitting? Tomorrow i'd presume.
10/04/2018, 11:40 PM
sbgawa

Yep tomorrow.
It's a hard one to call the fai could say it's reputationally bad for league and give out long bans across the board or treat it as handbags and go easy....
10/04/2018, 11:57 PM
Charlie Darwin

If Duffus hadn't scored then Waterford never would have had a league to protect so none of this would have happened. And if he hadn't scored twice against Rovers he may never have had the confidence to score. I think we all know who the real villain is.

Stephen Bradley.
11/04/2018, 12:17 AM
sbgawa

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

If Duffus hadn't scored then Waterford never would have had a league to protect so none of this would have happened. And if he hadn't scored twice against Rovers he may never have had the confidence to score. I think we all know who the real villain is.

Stephen Bradley.

Can't agree ........if Kenny hadn't been sacked by rovers back in the day then bradser would never have been appointed so the real villain is KENNY. Long ban and a points deduction for dundalk. The cork lads were right JUSTICE FOR JOHN CAULFIELD ......let's protest at abbotstown tommorow
11/04/2018, 12:27 AM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

Can't agree ........if Kenny hadn't been sacked by rovers back in the day then bradser would never have been appointed so the real villain is KENNY. Long ban and a points deduction for dundalk. The cork lads were right JUSTICE FOR JOHN CAULFIELD ......let's protest at abbotstown tommorow

I'll bring the lighter you douse yourself in petrol.
11/04/2018, 12:35 AM
sbgawa

LoL. Could we maybe just stick with placard or two ??
11/04/2018, 1:51 AM
Nesta99

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I'll bring the lighter you douse yourself in petrol.

You need to bring your own Christmas tree to get the full effect!
11/04/2018, 1:53 AM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

You need to bring your own Christmas tree to get the full effect!

I have an umbrella I bring everywhere if that's any help?
11/04/2018, 6:33 AM
Pablo Escobar

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

Apart from being able to go back a whole lot of steps and where do you stop, what the Waterford bench did initially would be seen at every game, no different from a keeper scrambling for the ball after a goal to delay the restart especially if there is risk of a comeback on. It doesnt very often end up with a melee and 6 red cards shown. As for whom suggested some rascist angle from Caulfield what a load of horsesh1t!!! Dont know why he said he picked up the ball then got pushed, he didnt get a chance. Of course there are people enjoying the amatuer dramatics, scapegoating, and JC landing on his ass (how many Cork fans would honestly deny having a good smirk if it was Stephen Kenny) - I would bet JC is regrets letting that happen more than anything else as as a player he wasnt shy about throwing his weight around although his reputation was to kick and run. When's the disiplinary panel sitting? Tomorrow i'd presume.

Agreed. Nobody was innocent. The racist angle was indeed mental. That's a real grenade of a post, I'm amazed it hasn't been called out more.

As for SK falling on his ass.....we can only dream :D

Yeah, the hearing is apparently tomorrow. It'll probably be 3 games for everybody with Hery potentially getting more. Although, at the end of the day, it was handbags.
11/04/2018, 7:55 AM
Calcio Jack

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

Apart from being able to go back a whole lot of steps and where do you stop, what the Waterford bench did initially would be seen at every game, no different from a keeper scrambling for the ball after a goal to delay the restart especially if there is risk of a comeback on. It doesnt very often end up with a melee and 6 red cards shown. As for whom suggested some rascist angle from Caulfield what a load of horsesh1t!!! Dont know why he said he picked up the ball then got pushed, he didnt get a chance. Of course there are people enjoying the amatuer dramatics, scapegoating, and JC landing on his ass (how many Cork fans would honestly deny having a good smirk if it was Stephen Kenny) - I would bet JC is regrets letting that happen more than anything else as as a player he wasnt shy about throwing his weight around although his reputation was to kick and run. When's the disiplinary panel sitting? Tomorrow i'd presume.

Agree he was always the type to kick and run- same tactic employed last Friday as it was notable how he slinked away once the melee started- as I watched it on Monday couldn’t help but be reminded of Grimer Wormtongue from the book LOTR
11/04/2018, 7:58 AM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

. I think we all know who the real villain is.

Stephen Bradley.

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Originally Posted by Pablo Escobar

Agreed. Nobody was innocent.

Stephen Bradley is an innocent man.
11/04/2018, 10:10 AM
micls

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Originally Posted by Calcio Jack

Agree he was always the type to kick and run- same tactic employed last Friday as it was notable how he slinked away once the melee started- as I watched it on Monday couldn’t help but be reminded of Grimer Wormtongue from the book LOTR

This is brilliant, he's not getting stick for not getting involved in the brawl? Quality stuff.
11/04/2018, 11:21 AM
patrickccfc

I love the part where he's compared to a lord of the rings character
11/04/2018, 12:23 PM
Nesta99

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Originally Posted by micls

This is brilliant, he's not getting stick for not getting involved in the brawl? Quality stuff.

Ah come on it is what did. Maybe some sense was rattled in after the shove, he could have been sore after being put on his ass, worried about what had kicked off and his role in it, or most likely was feeling a bit sheepish after all of these. He did go to physically retrieve the ball, when he was shoved he also got up and walked calm as you like back to towards the dugouts, in a hoping the ref hadnt noticed what had happened way. Is he the type that wouldnt get stuck in to a melee? It is also true that he was seen as a kick and run player by fellow former LoI players never mind fans and the reputation has stuck obviously for those that remember him playing.
11/04/2018, 12:35 PM
micls

He walked away before he was pushed. He clearly realised he'd screwed up going onto the pitch and tried to walk away. He was pushed, and then continued to get out of the poor situation he was in.

I never got to see him as a player, so couldn't comment. But I'm certainly glad he didn't get stuck into the brawl! I would be disgusted with him if he had done. As a manager, he should have walked away. I'm glad he realised that.
11/04/2018, 12:44 PM
blueblood

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Originally Posted by micls

He walked away before he was pushed. He clearly realised he'd screwed up going onto the pitch and tried to walk away. He was pushed, and then continued to get out of the poor situation he was in.

I never got to see him as a player, so couldn't comment. But I'm certainly glad he didn't get stuck into the brawl! I would be disgusted with him if he had done. As a manager, he should have walked away. I'm glad he realised that.

Or he shat his pants (not literally I hope 🤗) when the mad French man turned around to him.
11/04/2018, 12:50 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by blueblood

Or he shat his pants (not literally I hope ��) when the mad French man turned around to him.

Except, as I said, he had started walking away before the push.

Not that I think it matters a tap what reason he walked away, it was the right call. Getting involved in the brawl would have been unacceptable
11/04/2018, 2:31 PM
blueblood

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Originally Posted by micls

Except, as I said, he had started walking away before the push.

Not that I think it matters a tap what reason he walked away, it was the right call. Getting involved in the brawl would have been unacceptable

It just looked to me like Caulfield immediately realised he was in trouble for kinking Hery and acted like the cowardly bully boy who finally met his match so tried to back away and then after being embarrasping lyrics knocked onto his ass decided to hide away.
11/04/2018, 2:46 PM
micls

You can keep saying kicking, and maybe that's what you think kicking is in Limerick? Who knows.

But yes, Caulfield clearly realised he shouldn't have encroached on the pitch, and walked away. I'm impressed that you've picked out the person who wasn't violent as the 'bully' of the incident. And the person who actually got aggressive is just a poor victim? Bizarre to say the least.

Caulfield made the wrong decision initially, in trying to get the ball.

He made the right decision in not getting involved or reacting after being pushed. The fact that you're trying to paint this as a negative is laughable. No doubt if he had reacted and gotten involved in the melee you'd slaughter him for that too.

Blame him for what he did, sure. Trying to insult him for what he didn't do, and not getting involved in the scrap, us silly.
11/04/2018, 7:13 PM
Nesta99

If he was walking away initially he was walking away backwards - its is why he ended up being pushed backwards and on his ass. Prior to the melee (of which JC being pushed is claimed was the actual cause of that) what makes you think that he suddenly came to his senses while in the process of trying to get the ball. As soon as he stood straight after his failED attempt to get the ball he took a couple of steps at most back and then got shoved. What provoked the shove by Hery? When the melee kicked off he then walked quietly toward the bench and watched as Vigaroux walked over to speak to Caulfield. Its at that point he seemed to be in a 'oh sh1t!' mode of thinking.
11/04/2018, 7:22 PM
blueblood

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Originally Posted by micls

You can keep saying kicking, and maybe that's what you think kicking is in Limerick? Who knows.

But yes, Caulfield clearly realised he shouldn't have encroached on the pitch, and walked away. I'm impressed that you've picked out the person who wasn't violent as the 'bully' of the incident. And the person who actually got aggressive is just a poor victim? Bizarre to say the least.

Caulfield made the wrong decision initially, in trying to get the ball.

He made the right decision in not getting involved or reacting after being pushed. The fact that you're trying to paint this as a negative is laughable. No doubt if he had reacted and gotten involved in the melee you'd slaughter him for that too.

Blame him for what he did, sure. Trying to insult him for what he didn't do, and not getting involved in the scrap, us silly.

Hitting something or someone with your leg is kicking or do ye not call it that in Cork (do ye call it PICKING SOMETHING UP as Caulfield does) ???
I would call the action of hitting someone with your leg violence especially since he had no business being on the pitch...
I never said Hery was a poor victim, what he did was wrong but two wrongs don't make a right!
Caulfield was right not to get involved after being pushed, he was probably in shock like a bully would be I don't know and I don't think he deserves praise for not reacting after the push, he wasn't being very restraint 5 seconds earlier.
11/04/2018, 7:26 PM
sullanefc

Some amount of cr@p being spouted on here.
The Caulfield hate is quite amazing. It's actually quite satisfying that he is getting under the skin of so many opponents. Keep it up JC.
11/04/2018, 7:33 PM
micls

Bizarre to say the least. Trying to get the ball off someone is kicking now. Is every tackle a kick in Limerick? That's your definition of violence now?

Come off the stage.

We're accused of bias, and no question of course were inherently biased, but it's laughable that you and a few others think you're being perfectly reasonable and logical in this. There's bias all round.
11/04/2018, 8:16 PM
blueblood

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Originally Posted by micls

Bizarre to say the least. Trying to get the ball off someone is kicking now. Is every tackle a kick in Limerick? That's your definition of violence now?

Come off the stage.

We're accused of bias, and no question of course were inherently biased, but it's laughable that you and a few others think you're being perfectly reasonable and logical in this. There's bias all round.

Call it what you want I'd call a a kick it would obviously be different if it happens between two players during a game then we would call that a tackle.
Would you think it was OK if a non-player came onto the pitch and made contact (with foot/arm/head/whatever) with a Cork player? I'd call that person an idiot and some might even consider it a violent act by the pitch invader.
11/04/2018, 8:26 PM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by sullanefc

Some amount of cr@p being spouted on here.
The Caulfield hate is quite amazing. It's actually quite satisfying that he is getting under the skin of so many opponents. Keep it up JC.

JC and many Cork supporters (both here and on social media) have become a laughing stock
11/04/2018, 8:35 PM
blueblood

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

JC and many Cork supporters (both here and on social media) have become a laughing stock

Sure they think we're all just jealous and picking on poor innocent Caulfield they're delusional
11/04/2018, 8:55 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by blueblood

Call it what you want I'd call a a kick it would obviously be different if it happens between two players during a game then we would call that a tackle.
Would you think it was OK if a non-player came onto the pitch and made contact (with foot/arm/head/whatever) with a Cork player? I'd call that person an idiot and some might even consider it a violent act by the pitch invader.

I'll call it what it was. A soft tackle at most, an attempt to get the ball. He was sent off for pitch encroachment, which it was, not violent conduct. Calling that a violent act is simply nonsense. Stupid, sure. Inappropriate, yes. A sending off offence, yes. Violent, no. And 'bullying', laughable.
11/04/2018, 9:17 PM
A N Mouse

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Originally Posted by micls

I'll call it what it was. A soft tackle at most, an attempt to get the ball. He was sent off for pitch encroachment, which it was, not violent conduct. Calling that a violent act is simply nonsense. Stupid, sure. Inappropriate, yes. A sending off offence, yes. Violent, no. And 'bullying', laughable.

Ok, so we've established he shouldn't have been on the pitch. Can we skip the semantics over what he done there and get to the bit where we acknowledge that it's him landing on his hole that was the petrol on the flames.

If we get that far maybe we can jump to realising that he wouldn't have been dumped on his hole, thus escalating the situation, if he wasn't on the pitch.

Or is the cognitive dissonance just too strong?
11/04/2018, 9:39 PM
ToberonaTornado

STANLEY ABORAH has been banned for SIX matches for his part in the brawl at the end of the Munster derby between Waterford and Cork City.
And Blues midfielder Bastien Hery has copped a four-game ban for his part in the row on Friday night which saw him shove City boss John Caulfield to the ground.

https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football...ith-cork-city/
11/04/2018, 9:43 PM
sbgawa

Jeez that seems harsh.
11/04/2018, 9:51 PM
patrickccfc

Wow, I would've thought Hery would've got the most severe punishment out of everyone. Wonder why that length of a ban for Aborah. Be interesting to see the bans in comparison for our lads.
11/04/2018, 9:52 PM
gormacha

Notwithstanding my obvious interest in the matter, but that seems astonishingly harsh.
11/04/2018, 9:53 PM
sbgawa

Apparantly Caulfield has got 3 months in mountjoy.
Assault with a deadly weapon fair enough
11/04/2018, 10:06 PM
White Horse

What did Aborah do to deserve six matches? That seems crazy.
11/04/2018, 10:10 PM
jinxy lilywhite

Was aborah considered more because his incident was in the tunnel after the event.

I have to say the description of the events reminds me of the Simpson episode where Bart got knocked down by Mr Burns.
11/04/2018, 10:10 PM
Yossarian

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Originally Posted by White Horse

What did Aborah do to deserve six matches? That seems crazy.

Did he not grab Buckley(?) around the neck as he was heading for the tunnel? Still seems a bit harsh though.
11/04/2018, 10:19 PM
Nesta99

I still want to know how it is considered that he was walking away before he got shoved backwards which by general consensus among Cork fans was the cause of the melee?

He didnt charge in the direction of a player/ball and then turn and contritely walk back to the dugout, as he did do when he picked himself up.

Even suggesting that Hery had a bit of a menacing look, Caulfield wouldnt turn his back on player he felt threatened by so he was backing off facing Hery when Hery himself darted forward and pushed, JC then felt he could get up, dust himself down and walk away from the flash point...makes more sense than claiming he was trying to walk away before Hery turned and heading in his direction (or that he had actually picked up the ball).

Talk of being a bully or kicking or racism is pure conjecture but so is the claim that he was trying to walk away after a rush of blood copping that he had erred.

What factually happened (as I saw it lol) - Waterford bench were making a quick throw in difficult, Hery then slapped the ball out of the Cork players hands and dribbled the ball away, JC saw this and charged toward Hery to retrieve the ball, JC didnt get the ball but Hery turned to the person who was trying to get the ball after running at him/in his direction, JC took a couple of steps back as Hery moved toward the person who had just ran at him/toward him, Hery reacts as he pushes the person or JC and JC ends up on the floor, Cork players charge to the defence of their manager and Waterford players react in kind. JC is well away from the melee by now which is closer to the Waterford bench, JC gets up and quietly walks back to his technical area, players get sent off with extras toward the tunnel and both managers are sent off.

It is my own opinion that JC didnt suddenly see the light, and that what he had done had resulted in a melee so introspectively walked to his bench, I think when the melee kicked off he moved quietly to his bench hoping that his initial encroachment or even charge/movement toward Hery would be missed or not be considered by the ref, he knew that Hery was in trouble and he was right. The melee, while not planned, he subsequently hoped would mean his own moment of madness would not register. He probably thought he was justified and I think he was after Hery had run over and taken the ball off the Cork throw in taker. I think he would be more bothered by being knocked on his ass than anything and even privately that this coud work out better for Cork than Waterford under the circumstance. Imagine of the main protaganists were Stephen Kenny in the role of JC and Greg Bolger (when at Cork as I dont think McCormack would be as daft as do what Hery did) as Hery, and try and run through the whole thing from anothers perspective!
11/04/2018, 10:20 PM
sullanefc

Aborah abused the ref and had to be restrained from going after him. Also confronted Buckley going down the tunnell after the melee.
11/04/2018, 10:26 PM
sullanefc

But yeah, Caulfield started it so probably a bit harsh on the lad.
11/04/2018, 10:29 PM
Nesta99

Do they ever publish the finding of the disciplinary panel? Had to have been something said or something in the tunnel that wasnt on camera. What the 4th official saw would likely be most relevant as he would have a very close up view with the 4th official's dugout literally in the middle of the melee at first. On the face of it it seems harsh. Will Caulfield get a longer ban than Reynolds who seemed to do very little. Hery's 4 game ban was expected really. Was the photo of McNulty landing a nice one on a waterford player not submitted ;p

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