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not sure what happened there ... anyway some other names : Pekerman, Phillipe Cocu, Holloway, Paulo Sousa, Carvahal...
I think someone like Chris Hughton would be good for us long term but is obviously not going to leave his premier league job.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
However, I think the FAI will end up going for Mick McCarthy with someone like Robbie Keane as assistant.
Lot of names being thrown out, but would certainly prefer to see someone who already knows the Irish system, the players involved, willing to base themselves within Ireland or the UK and willing to keep an eye on the LOI.
So would McCarthy be your preference of the options you think we could get? I agree Hughton is probably a non-runner right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
Age aside...from the free agent list it would have to be Arsene WengerQuote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
I'd be very happy with Kenny or Wenger (Wenger!!), but could definitely live with Mick Mac and Robbie Keane as #2. Does Robbie still live in LA though? Would that be a sticking point?
We'd go from not being able to string two passes together, 25% possession and no shots on goal to endless passes, 75% possession and no shots in goal :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
What has Robbie done to merit a coaching position? Let him get experience at club level first. We're not a charity.
Agree no high profile assistant please. I'd love Brian mcdermot with carsley coming in as coach/assistant. I'm sure the entire bill would be less than half a million a year
Updated list, with those employed, critically ill, or finally laughed out of football removed, and new suggestions added.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Also, who is this Walsall? I know you're far to polite to be calling me by my deadname :p
Allardyce, Sam
Arena, Bruce
Blanc, Laurent
Bosz, Peter
Bradley, Bob
Bruce, Steve
Carsley, Lee
Carvahal, Carlos
Cocu, Phillipe
Coleman, Chris
Cook, Paul
Goran-Eriksson, Sven
Hasenhüttl, Ralph
Holloway, Ian
Jardim, Leonardo
Jokanovic, Slavisla
Jol, Martin
Keane, Robbie
Kenny, Stephen
Klinsmann, Jurgen
Lennon, Neil
Lopetegui, Julen
McCarthy, Mick
McDermott, Brian
Mihajlović, Siniša
Monk, Gary
O'Leary, David
O'Neill, Michael
Pékerman, José
Queiroz, Carlos
Schaaf, Thomas
Schuster, Bernd
Sheridan, John
Sousa, Paulo
Stöger, Peter
Van Gaal, Louis
Van Marwijk, Bert
Wenger, Arsene
Alphabetical order n all, Tets will be so proud.
McDermott and Carsley is not a bad call, Liamoo11. I've always had a hunch McDermott would give it everything given how thwarted he felt as a player tied to England. I agree with avoiding high profile assistants just because they're big names. A bit of work experience with the u21s wouldn't harm them at all! But also, I wouldn't want them shoe-horned into an arrangement where the new manager needs one to legitimise his appointment or because he doesn't know Irish players.
I think Big Sam and his entourage would be out of the FAI's price range (thankfully).
If it's going to be Mick, Delaney will already have had a chat with him and I'd say he will be announced soon with no pretense of a trawl for a candidate.
My enduring memories of Mick's time are of the growing up of Robbie in front of our eyes, Duff v Holland and v Spain - unbridled world class brilliance. Perhaps all that puts a gloss on Mick's actual managerial prowess, like those years where his Ipswich team was reckoned to be coma inducing.
Look at where that Ipswich team are now though. There is a strong argument looking back to say the Heath-Robinson job Mick was doing there was the only thing holding it together.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Ohh. We have a bite. And he's even on my list : )
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a8645201.html
Mick Mac is a 4-4-2 dinosaur
Why has Dave O'Leary never gotten another job in football?
Niall Quinn on Off the Ball and appears to be advocating for Stephen Kenny.
When I say we appears to be advocating Kenny, he had done it in a diplomatic way only he could as he cites that he knows a lot it interested parties and would lose a lot of friends. But he spells out a list of criteria for the next manager and concedes Kenny fulfills a lot of them.
I have to disagree with this. I think it would be great to have him about the place given our current dearth of striker options.Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
He's one of the best natural goalscorers I've ever seen. I'd happily find a role where he could learn from the more senior coaches, and the likes of Obafemi, Idah & Connolly could learn from him. I don't ever see him as a manager, but who better to lay out cones and maybe pass on a few tricks of the trade to the youngsters coming down the pipeline.
Appointing McCarthy will show we learnt nothing from the two previous regimes. If you want a quick fix go Sam Allerdyce, if you want to think long term go Stephen Kenny. I seriously struggle to see how appointing McCarthy will lead to anything good.
Give it to Stephen Kenny if he wants it .
I would probably give big Mick the job, but Carlos Queiroz and Guus Hiddink are also very good candidates IMO. Hard to believe Hiddink is coaching China's U-21 team....must be a big salary and a long term plan from the Chinese, with a view to him eventually coaching the senior team with that same group of players.
Joe Schmidt or Jim Gavin are the only men who can save this sinking ship.
Otherwise, give it to Brendan Rodgers
I think people forget that Mick was in charge for four different campaigns (in the fourth he lost the first two matches, which doomed us). He only qualified for one, where he completely ffed up basic preparations, like scouting out a decent training pitch or making sure there were footballs. Also brought Jason Mac to the World Cup even though he was injured. Maybe a fit and young John O'Shea would have been a better choice.
But he's a good mate with many in the press and likes to have a good laugh with them. Like O'Neill before him. So there's that.
Reports that Carlos Queiroz is interested - https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a8645201.html
Cannot agree with this summation. Rebuilt a team basically from scratch after Jack, and without starting a debate that needs no reopening, footballs and pitches would not have been part of his job description, more that of a blazer, and as we know the blazers in the FAI are brilliant, just ask Alan McLoughlin. Secondly, his ability to work with limited resources and get results is second to none.Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
Lastly, having read the many opinions on here regarding managers, might Carsley at U21, Mick as manager and Kenny as assistant help in creating a succession plan of sorts?
True. He was left with a very ageing side by Jack.
He got us to Euro 2000 play offs with two great wins along the way against Croatia and Yugoslavia, only for the hand of Carsley to rule us out.
McAteer wasn’t injured leaving for 2002 World Cup, he got injured playing a warm up game against a Japanese club side.
That last paragraph makes a lot of sense to me. There's a suspicion from Kevin Kilbane and Emmet Malone that Delaney will want a safe pair of hands and that Mick would tick that box. Your suggestion above would fulfill a lot of criterion. I think we have a great opportunity to demonstrate some joined up thinking between the senior and under 21 side, and even those age groups below. We have some outstanding talent at u17, 18 and 19 level.Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
We could also consider having someone as manager of the under 21s and assistant manager of the senior team at the same time. Kenny or Carsley.
Why would Kenny leave his post at Dundalk to become assistant to someone?
Career prospects?
Assistant at Ireland would probably open more doors than Dundalk manager.
Money could be another reason
The obvious answer would be in terms of career trajectory, this would be a move upwards!
My suggestion is assistant for the senior side, manager of the under 21 side. The other suggestion is assistant of the senior side with a view to becoming manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Is that not attractive? I think it is but whilst I follow the league and attend the odd match, I'm probably not as big an LOI fan as you so that might be informing your perspective.
You beat me to it. Most people should be able to concede that it's more attractive on the grounds you have highlighted.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Robbie Keane being mentioned as Mick McCarthy's assistant. More of the same in that case. No lessons learned.
Maybe there’s a middle ground between short-termism and long-term planning?
Appoint an experienced senior manager for one campaign. Their assistant manages a LoI development squad (let’s call it a B-squad) playing 2-3 games a year. The senior manager has a hand in recruiting the u21 manager, with a view to that person taking over after 2020. The u21 manager also acts as assistant for the B-squad, giving them 2 seasons to work with promising youngsters and domestic players for their own senior tenure. From 2020, rinse and repeat, allowing for a 2-4 year tenure of the new manager. Either the assistant or u21 manager role could work to introduce Kenny to international football, and he'd have some players in the senior squad who owe their presence there to him when he takes over.
I think the problem is that the 21s often play in the same window as the seniors so would have very little involvement with the seniors most of time. Ian Evans used to share duties asc21s boss and assistant to Mick but back then the 21s played the same teams as were in the seniors group so at least both teams were in the same country at same time which obviously is completely different now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
There are plenty of precedents of people managing national and club sides at the same time. I don't think it would be completely ridiculous for Kenny to be assistant to someone, or U21 manager, while still keeping his job with Dundalk.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
The choice of the training venue is very much the decision of the manager. At Euro 2012 the team was based outside Gdansk, and the week before that the team was based at a proper football training facility in Italy. All of Trap's choosing.Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
Mick chose Saipan because one of his mates said it was good and promised him there would be a good training pitch. It had nothing to do with the FAI.
The man is a bluffer and a darling of the British press.
Thanks Roy! And he forgot to count the footballs too.