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30/08/2018, 8:30 AM
seanfhear

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

They took our spuds and now want our rice. :(

T’was the Grain they Took . The Blight got the Spuds .
30/08/2018, 9:14 AM
DeLorean

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Originally Posted by dr_peepee

Wasn’t there something years ago with Andy O’Brien singing GSTQ whilst representing an English football league select against a Seria B select. Think he was still at Bradford at the time. Vague recollection of it.

The match itself is mentioned here anyway, so that seems to add up - https://www.nufc.com/html/obrien_sundaytimes.html

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Originally Posted by Sunday Times, 12th August 2001

His route to the Irish senior team has been an interesting one. He was born in Harrogate and was always a target for English teams at under-age. Three years ago, Peter Taylor was asked to select a Football League side to play a side from Italy's Serie B. O'Brien was man of the match. Taylor took over the England under-21s shortly after and tried to convince O'Brien to commit himself to the English cause.

In February 1999, he played in a friendly against France at Pride Park but when Taylor offered him the chance in England's next competitive outing, O'Brien demurred and took time out to ponder his international future. He was flattered by the English attention but he was aware of his Irish roots - his grandparents Danny and Kathleen O'Brien had moved from Kilfinnane in south-west Limerick to look for work in the mills of Yorkshire - and two months after his English debut, he played for Ireland in an under-21 friendly against Sweden in Birr.
30/08/2018, 9:29 AM
tricky_colour

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

T’was the Grain they Took . The Blight got the Spuds .

I thought it was a good joke none the less, not one of mine, I might add it was on video link a page or two back with Kevin kilbane.

We has all the Salmon and Towel jokes, it seems Rice got let off the hook... so far anyway....
30/08/2018, 9:31 AM
tricky_colour

Rice will be steaming if England don't call him up. ;)
30/08/2018, 11:27 AM
zero

I read he can't be called up today by England as he'd need to be cleared by UEFA or FIFA if he decides to switch. Perhaps this is not correct.
30/08/2018, 12:24 PM
tetsujin1979

If he does decide to change allegiances, it takes a few months for the paperwork to clear.
30/08/2018, 12:54 PM
boovidge

This thing about GSTQ is a bit strange to me. I know there's a lot of history there but is that really the litmus test for Irishness in 2018?
30/08/2018, 1:01 PM
seanfhear

What is one to do with the Rice in my cupboard ? I just can’t face it .
30/08/2018, 1:14 PM
RiffRaff

To be fair to Rice, I'm sure hundreds of young footballers are being advised that nothing is binding in playing underage international football and sadly nationality doesn't mean as much as it used to in the modern world. There have been thousands of applications for Irish passports following Brexit from people who have up to now considered themselves British. From Rice's point of view, he wasn't of England's radar until the last year so may not have had any opportunities in their underage set and has probably benefited from the experience of playing for ours
30/08/2018, 1:40 PM
jbyrne

Gareth Southgate discusses the future of West Ham defender Declan Rice, who has played friendly matches for the Republic of Ireland: "There are so many dual nationality players and he is a good young player. He has a really difficult decision. There is a lot of pressure on him and I am conscious there is spotlight on him. He is with Ireland at the moment and as much as we think he is a very good player, that decision has to fall to him."
30/08/2018, 2:41 PM
Diggs246

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

Gareth Southgate discusses the future of West Ham defender Declan Rice, who has played friendly matches for the Republic of Ireland: "There are so many dual nationality players and he is a good young player. He has a really difficult decision. There is a lot of pressure on him and I am conscious there is spotlight on him. He is with Ireland at the moment and as much as we think he is a very good player, that decision has to fall to him."

If I was Rice's agent I would be extremely unhappy with that statement from Southgate, instead of doing what Roy Hodgson did with Grealish and say "its his decisions, but he is English after all"

Southgate has put all the pressure on Rice and imo is slightly infaring that he and the FA have clean hands here
30/08/2018, 2:48 PM
CraftyToePoke

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Originally Posted by Diggs246

Southgate has put all the pressure on Rice and imo is slightly infaring that he and the FA have clean hands here

He has, yeah, as though where this situation now is, isn't really his doing or any of his work, when it clearly is.
30/08/2018, 2:55 PM
brine3

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To be fair to Rice, I'm sure hundreds of young footballers are being advised that nothing is binding in playing underage international football and sadly nationality doesn't mean as much as it used to in the modern world. There have been thousands of applications for Irish passports following Brexit from people who have up to now considered themselves British.

They were already Irish citizens according to our laws, hence they were allowed to apply for an Irish passport. Just like how you and me can head down to the passport office and get a passport. As far as I know our citizenship laws have always automatically granted citizenship at birth to the foreign-born children of Irish-born citizens. So I'm not sure what changes in the modern world you are referring to. Emigration has been a feature of Irish life for centuries...
30/08/2018, 2:58 PM
brine3

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

He has, yeah, as though where this situation now it, isn't really his doing or any of his work, when it clearly is.

Yeah very clever of Southgate here to say that the "Rice is under pressure". Because where has the pressure and negative press been coming from in the last couple of days? The likes of Duff and Kilbane mouthing off in the press.
30/08/2018, 3:15 PM
Diggs246

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Originally Posted by brine3

Yeah very clever of Southgate here to say that the "Rice is under pressure". Because where has the pressure and negative press been coming from in the last couple of days? The likes of Duff and Kilbane mouthing off in the press.

"mouthing off in the press" Its called freedom of speech baby
30/08/2018, 7:36 PM
liamoo11

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

Gareth Southgate discusses the future of West Ham defender Declan Rice, who has played friendly matches for the Republic of Ireland: "There are so many dual nationality players and he is a good young player. He has a really difficult decision. There is a lot of pressure on him and I am conscious there is spotlight on him. He is with Ireland at the moment and as much as we think he is a very good player, that decision has to fall to him."

Is rice in a tricky situation here? By not coming out and saying he wants to play for england straight out Is there danger the three loins fans might doubt his commitment to the Crown?
30/08/2018, 8:01 PM
seanfhear

Depends how good he is . Even more so with them than us .

If ya were middling to good for us then we would be happy . He will have to be good to very good for them to get much credit .

If he is bad he may be Paddy Rice .
30/08/2018, 8:37 PM
tetsujin1979

FWIW he still follows a load of Irish players on twitter: https://twitter.com/_DeclanRice/following
30/08/2018, 8:41 PM
liamoo11

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

FWIW he still follows a load of Irish players on twitter: https://twitter.com/_DeclanRice/following

will he be in the 21s squad for our next games? Best chance We have had to qualify for As long as I can remember.one Last hurrah for old times sake?
30/08/2018, 8:42 PM
tetsujin1979

For all the people saying we should follow the Wales model and cap our most promising dual nationality players, do you think it would it be worth it to do this, and sacrifice any success at underage level?
30/08/2018, 8:43 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by liamoo11

will he be in the 21s squad for our next games? Best chance We have had to qualify for As long as I can remember.one Last hurrah for old times sake?

I thought I saw a tweet from Dan McDonnell on this after the press conference on Monday saying that he would not be in the U21 squad, but I can't find it now.
30/08/2018, 9:00 PM
Fixer82

Ah my head is fried with all this Rice talk.
30/08/2018, 9:03 PM
Diggs246

[QUOTE=tetsujin1979;1973499]I thought I saw a tweet from Dan McDonnell on this after the press conference on Monday saying that he would not be in the U21 squad, but I can't find it now.[/QUOT

If he turns up for the U21s then we are dealing with the biggest sociopath in the history of the state. He might as well run for Fianna Fail in the next election and then open an Irish school in the gaeltacht, whilst representing England in football of course
30/08/2018, 9:32 PM
tetsujin1979

Hyperbole is literally the worst thing to ever happen to humanity
30/08/2018, 9:41 PM
Diggs246

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Hyperbole is literally the worst thing to ever happen to humanity

What about reality tv
30/08/2018, 10:19 PM
tetsujin1979

I stand by my pithy observation
31/08/2018, 12:14 AM
Fixer82

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Hyperbole is literally the worst thing to ever happen to humanity

Nice work
31/08/2018, 7:31 AM
tricky_colour

Southgate call for a Rice take-away.
31/08/2018, 8:45 AM
ForzaForth

I think we've been mullered.
31/08/2018, 8:50 AM
Real ale Madrid

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Originally Posted by ForzaForth

I think we've been mullered.

It's a Semolina-l moment for the country.
31/08/2018, 11:58 AM
seanfhear

We have to Rice above it !
31/08/2018, 2:57 PM
SkStu

Usually Rice has no problem being found in a field of paddies.
31/08/2018, 3:15 PM
seanfhear

It doesn’t look like he is going to be a Staple for us .
31/08/2018, 3:40 PM
Closed Account

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

It doesn’t look like he is going to be a Staple for us .

Are you saying it's unlikely he'll line out on the paddy field of Lansdowne Road again?

edit: I see it's been done.
31/08/2018, 5:06 PM
SkStu

Ris otto know by now who he wants to play for.

(Apologies for the typos)
31/08/2018, 5:50 PM
Closed Account 2

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

For all the people saying we should follow the Wales model and cap our most promising dual nationality players, do you think it would it be worth it to do this, and sacrifice any success at underage level?

Yes... I'm not even sure why there is a debate about this. We get a guarantee that the player won't switch and suddenly stop playing for us* (or even play against us). We can start thinking about building the squad accordingly. We know Rice can play anywhere across the back and midfield but he probably stronger centrally. We could look at pairing him up with other young players in the U21s we could look at getting Roy Keane to try and mould him into a defensive shielding midfielder.

Rice and Grealish are the types of players we could build a next generation defence / midfield around and if we knew we had them for the next 15 years we could start doing that now.

All we have to do is play them in injury time during a competitive full international. We talking seconds to lock them down, not an entire match. I think they could conceivably play in U21 matches during the same international fixture break anyway. I don't see how it hampers the U21 squad.

You could argue keeping players (who may opt out of the senior squad) in the U21s stagnates Irish football. Grealish and Rice's places in the underage squads might have served Irish football better had they gone to players who wouldn't wander off the scene. We could have found out their sentiment earlier had we tried to cap tie them.

*I appreciate they could retire prematurely but I think that is unlikely and is a general risk with any player
03/09/2018, 12:08 PM
ForzaForth

Sus hi still doesn't know who he wants to play for yet.
03/09/2018, 3:59 PM
zero

Of course it's all still speculation, so maybe i'll get rapped on the knuckles somewhat, but is there a sense in the last few days that he's more likely to side with us after all?

Maybe not featuring for West Ham (bar league cup) has swung things back in our favour, or maybe he just really did need to take a little time to think about it. Comments like these from O'Neill are the basis for my thoughts:

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-37277970.html
03/09/2018, 4:12 PM
jbyrne

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Originally Posted by zero

Of course it's all still speculation, so maybe i'll get rapped on the knuckles somewhat, but is there a sense in the last few days that he's more likely to side with us after all?

Maybe not featuring for West Ham (bar league cup) has swung things back in our favour

i doubt he would be so fickle as to have his decision made on the back of being left out of a few WHU games in the same way I doubt he would be so fickle to be affected by anything james mcclean or kevin kilbane tweet.
05/09/2018, 10:14 AM
Deckydee

Apparently Declan Rice coming back now...Maybe Harry Arter said something to him? LOL :)

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