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2010/11 I was based there so Farrer Rd i am talking about. They were debating a move for the Honka match and i couldnt believe that the old ground was considered at all before the game was moved to Wrexham. Farrer Road was like United Parks poor cousin! Not seen the University Ground since any work was finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by historynut
My view on the draw.
Dundalk - Aren't as good as last year as we all know but Rosenborg not as good as some of the other sides in that draw. Dundalk have a chance I think.
Cork - Very lucky with the draw again this year. I'd have them as favourites in that one.
Rovers - Hard to know really. Stjarnan went to PO round a few years ago beating Motherwell along the way. Maybe not as good as that team. Rovers bar 2011, generally bang average in Europe. 50/50
Derry - very difficult draw but I think Derry won't lose both legs.
Considering all teams unseeded, it's not the worst draw at all. Points towards Co-efficient possible for all 4 sides.
I see Bert has the new system up and collated. Interestingly Red Star have their 4 points for winning in 1990 but Partizan are still higher on the list due to decent performances over the last 10 years. And notably in Ireland St. Pats are the highest ranked Irish club at the moment followed by Dundalk and then Rovers. It will be interesting to see how this would have affected seeding for example this year... ?
I think we will, comfortably.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Within the last two years, Midtjylland have beat Southampton, Brugge, Legia Warsaw, and beaten Manchester United at home.
On the other hand, we can't defend set pieces. Could be a right hammering.
I'd rate chances of progression to their respective next round as follows:
Dundalk 33%
Cork City 51%
Shamrock Rovers 49%
Derry City 17%
Qualification knockout rounds are fraught with danger. Hopefully at least one club will be involved for at least 3 rounds but it'll be tough.
I'd really love to know how you came up with those percentage chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
City have clearly a much better chance of winning than Rovers.
I'd see Dundalk having a 1 in 3 chance of going through. Cork marginally more than 50-50. Shamrock Rovers marginally less than 50-50. Derry City 1 in 6.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Id bump them all up 10-15% and cork by 25%.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
Dundalk 22.8%
Cork 70.1%
Rovers 41.1%
Derry 7.8%
This is fun, we should do this more often
No way. Derry's chances are much worse than Rovers.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Cork's chances, on the other hand, are probably better ;)
This could become a predictions league in it's own right.Quote:
Originally Posted by seand
Good ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Dundalk 1 Norway 4
Cork 3 Estonia 1
Rovers 4 Iceland 1
Derry 1 Denmark 3
Over two legs and bringing the international flavour to it + saves me trying the spelling
I get the impression that Rovers fans are underestimating Icelandic football. KR were better than us 2 years ago. Dundalk barely got passed FH last year before they beat BATE. If it was us, I'd be nervous. It's winnable, but I won't be putting a bet on it.
Dundalk 15%
Dundalk look like an old man being forced to go back into war- they won't last.
cork 55%
Bearing in mind corks exploits in Europe, they could royally f##k this up
Rovers 33.3333%
Rovers can't defend, and don't have a clinical striker. Don't even mention discipline.
Derry 10%
Crazy Kenny keeps telling us his team are young and inexperienced. Might cost them here.
https://media4.giphy.com/media/SDxzM5LAVq5Tq/giphy.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjOZtWZ56lcQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Our exploits in Europe? Is this another myth? You could argue that 2 years ago, but that KR side were the better side (marginally) over the 2 legs. I'd back us if we played them now. But when we've played in Europe over the past 13 years we've done very well. Better than most actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
Just the usual optimism ......... I wouldn't underestimate the task at hand but better to live in hope than despair ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo Escobar
That's vaguely disturbing...Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
In business terms we could also apply a risk RAG rating against each teams chances, I’d go with the following.
Cork - Green
Rovers - Amber
Dundalk - Amber (trending red!)
Derry – Red
Most, well maybe apart from Cork may need a further risk analysis rating applied after the first legs !
Ps I agree on the point on Icelandic teams, mid way though the first half in the second leg last season away, we were going out of Europe and no mistake, only for two away goals.
Given the draws we could have got, Stjarnan is a good one, but any game was going to be tough for us. If we can get a decent result away, who knows?
What's all this IF stuff Charlie ......believe :)
Our game against Levadia will be played in Parnu now as their stadium is unavailable on the Thursday. They tried to get us to switch legs or to bring the game forward to the Tuesday but we held out. Having to travel to Parnu is a bit tricky for fans but we'll get over it, has to be another small advantage for the team though, taking away their "home" advantage. I imagine this will mean the home crowd will be smaller too. Especially with kick off at local time of 6.30 pm
Hopefully Eir show a few games, because we know RTE wont
Rovers need every break going to justify having a bit of hope.
Dynamo Brest have just made a huge offer for Stjarnan's front man (also big), first offer rejected but his exit looks ominous.
the Danish league is fun. 14 teams. It splits into a championship round and a relegation round but the runners up of the two relegation groups qualify to a play off for the final Europa League spot (which our friends from Midtjylland managed to jus about do), instead of a Cup spot...
Not to start random discussions but makes for an interesting league structure and competition for places etc. Anyways all of this also to point out that Midtjylland may be head and shoulders above Irish clubs but they are still only the 4th choice from Denmark... rankings have BATE much higher by coefficient than Midtylland...while not what you'd want, familiar company like Malmo, Hertha Berlin & Partizan would suggest its not beyond the realm of possibility. plus season hasnt quite started?
Would people be more optimistic if Cork had drawn Midtylland or Dundalk last year...?
Do Midtylland still use the moneyball model?
The movie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
The movie was based on the book about Billy Beane and his analytical management at the Oaklands As. Midtjylland used analytics extensively especially in the few seasons up to winning the league in 2015. Not sure how much of a focus they have on it these days
Same process that Warburton used at Brentford, to get the bees promotion to championship.
Rasmus Ankersen is involved in both clubs and they have the same owner. Brentford are on their 4th manager mind since Warburton left in 2015. So ive probably answered my own question.
The league's finest silver Cork and Dundalk have demonstrated an ability to learn from better opponents they have come up against.
Dundalk's upward trajectory in Europe in recent years culminated in their progress to the EL Group stage. I'll be interested in seeing how Stephen Kenny gets on with a weaker hand. With his experience and that of players in the squad, it's not beyond Dundalk to get through.
Cork publicly will take things a round at a time. Just as Dundalk can upset their opponents, Cork's opponents will be aware of their threat and can cause an upset.
Privately the Cork management will be confident of setting up an encounter against Larnaka for a place in ELQ3.
I met a couple of Stjarnan fans at a kids coaching event today, naturally the conversation moved swiftly to Shamrock Rovers, are they any good? I felt compelled to disclose the truth, I said they're a bit like KR, living on past rep, have views above their current station, they think they're the bees knees, that Stjarnan will be easily swept aside, are looking to the 2nd round opponents already and even some Irish sports journalist kept referring to "St Jarnan".
What??
yeah, St Jarnan, they think you're a pub team or some catholic sect.
Apparently Stjarnan are putting in extra temp seats for the Rovers fans, I suggested a cage would be appropriate as it done in the LOI whenever Rovers are the away team.
But I had to stop there, just to let that sink in and being aware not to stampede across the lines of believability, the conversation then moved to the many current woes of Stjarnan (or St Jarnan to some).
Good to see you haven't lost your impartiality :)
It was UEFA who called them St Jarnan in the draw. Some uninformed journalists obviously took that as gospel.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
This lad won the thread.
Isnt that much to argue with in geysir's post really.
I guess so, maybe the spelling I hears a rumour their nickname is the saints.
Has there been any announcements on tv coverage?