Everton and Liverpool discussion

Our first game minus the services of Tommy G and we coped much better than I anticipated. Deserved to take all three points without a shadow of a doubt. Played some great football and it really was tough luck on both Carsley and Beattie hitting the bar and post respectively. Bent displayed some excellent ball control and ran tirelessly for the 90 minutes. Bringing on Big Dunc proved dividends on Moyes's part and he was unlucky not to hit the winner. I don't like Boro and I think they're really overachieving at the moment. They're a team of big names but lack any kind of fluency in their play. The Riverside is like a morgue. Hasselbaink is an upstart and was very lucky Stubbs didn't deck him yesterday. Pool now lagging seven points behind the toffees and the future still appears to be rosy on the blue half! ;)

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Originally Posted by Dillo

Bringing on Big Dunc proved dividends on Moyes's part and he was unlucky not to hit the winner.

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He hit Zenden and a few Boro players though, which to Big Drunk, sorry, Dunc, is a man-of-the-match performance

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Originally Posted by Dillo

I don't like Boro and I think they're really overachieving at the moment.

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hahaha

The aul 'pot and kettle' saying comes into play here. :rolleyes: :D

If you substitute the word Boro for Everton then that would be a statement with a bit more truth for most of the ppl who post post on this thread. :D

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Originally Posted by The Green Hen

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Well they appear to be going all out to take home the Carling Cup...fielding a full strength team in their lucky 1-0 home win against Watford. T

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Well 1-0 V Watford is a lot more impressive than 0-0 V Exeter...

MU Tw*t

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Originally Posted by Conor74

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You completely missed the point. It had nothing to do with the structure of the proposal. I don't care if the Thai deal was a takeover, an investment or a gift. There were huge question marks about the ethics of taking money from the Thai people for the sake of overpaid footballers and success on a football field which, let's face it, is pretty trivial stuff compared to the hardships endured by the Thai people on a daily basis.

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what the hell is this fella on about now??? :rolleyes:

if anyone wants to INVEST (invest usually means putting money in and getting more out in the long term) they can put a bid forward just like in any other business on this planet.....thai people must'nt be allowed to invest in anything coz of their hardships??? Crazy talk!!!

by the way no bid from ANYONE has been accepted by LFC

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Originally Posted by Conor74

It's very very easy stuff really. I never said anything about Thai people not being allowed to invest. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Clubs are open to questions about the source of their funding. You may well find the prospect of the Thai government pumping millions into football while people starve and they have questionmarks about their human rights record grand, that's your choice. Many people would have concerns about such a proposition. In the same manner, people may have concerns about where Roman Abramovich gets his money and are perfectly entitled to question that.

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would help if you made any sense but basically what you are trying to do is somehow link Liverpool to exploiting starving people....sad :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DolansWaistcoat

hahaha

The aul 'pot and kettle' saying comes into play here. :rolleyes: :D

If you substitute the word Boro for Everton then that would be a statement with a bit more truth for most of the ppl who post post on this thread. :D

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Would you quit like a good l@nger! The toffees are riding high and they're there on merit. Begrudgers like you don't belong on this thread. :cool:

Well, what about tonights result?

Surely this is a low?

I have no idea why Benitez felt he could rest most of his 1st team. Lets be honest, even Liverpools first team is little better than a first division side at the moment.

Great OG by Traore! What the hell was he thinking?

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Originally Posted by Conor74

There were huge question marks about the ethics of taking money from the Thai people for the sake of overpaid footballers and success on a football field which, let's face it, is pretty trivial stuff compared to the hardships endured by the Thai people on a daily basis.

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You see, you haven't a clue what you're on about.

As soon as Liverpool became aware of, and had it confirmed, that Shinawatra intended to invest tax payers money in the club (and in turn issue share certificates to the thai people who would buy the shares), they pulled the plug straight away. Shinawatra's proposal was then taken over by Asia's biggest record company, MGM, or whatever they are called, but that too was vetoed. "The ethics of taking money from the Thai people" IS WHY Liverpool threw the deal out as soon as they realised how Shinawatra planned to fund it, so yet again, I really, like a lot of others on here, don't know what you're on about. I missed your point? What point, when you can't even get the facts right?! :rolleyes:

This is my point about you being a wind up merchant and talking rubbish all the time...

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Originally Posted by Gary

Well, what about tonights result?

Surely this is a low?

I have no idea why Benitez felt he could rest most of his 1st team. Lets be honest, even Liverpools first team is little better than a first division side at the moment.

Great OG by Traore! What the hell was he thinking?

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Yep, it is a low, but not in a gutted way. Team selection was a disgrace, away to a side only just off the pace of the championship play-offs, so it's not a major surprise. Before the game Benitez basically said that the FA Cup was last in his list of priorities, and the team reflected that. The performance did too. Disappointed in the way he treated the FA Cup to be honest, but then again he doesn't want anymore injuries. It depends which way you look at it.

The young players played fine tonight, I thought they did well and tried hard, but the team was just too inexperienced. It was the so called more senior players that were a disgrace tonight. Hyypia was poor, but Traore/Biscan't/Nunez & Pongolle were utter rubbish. Baros put them to shame when he came on and played his heart out. If anything good is to come out of this, hopefully it will be Benitez realising that the above mentioned players, Hyypia apart, are just not Liverpool standard. We've gotton rid of one dud in Diao today, it's time to ship out 5 or 6 more asap.

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Are Liverpool still the only club to receive a fine for 'tapping up'?

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No

Wheres Diao gone?

I think Pongolle is a good player. Once he finds his feet, he will be great.

Traore isnt as bad as people make out, but he certainly isnt a player worth his place in a team chasing CL qualification.

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Villa were not fined, so my comment is still valid...but only just about...

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Yes your comment is valid but you know as well as I do that every club has a bit of that going on.
For Dave to come out yesterday with
"For me to be on a charge for this when I see what goes on in the game is an absolute disgrace," said O'Leary.
i mean "shady dealings" and football go hand in hand , don't they ?

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Originally Posted by Gary

Wheres Diao gone?

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Brum on loan for the rest of the season.

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIVERPOOL AND A T-BAG?

A T-BAG STAYS LONGER IN THE CUP! :o


What a sad and useless bunch! Feel sorry for ye at this stage. Some finish from Djimi Traore, turned 270 degrees and produced a wonderful flick past a hapless Dudek. Reminded me of Kanu's goal for Arsenal against Boro a couple of seasons back- only difference being Kanu scored for his own club. Judging by the highlights Burnley fully deserved their victory too. Benitez's post match interview was comical to say the least. What the hell was he on about??

Roll on Sunderland at Goodison! ;)

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Funny, because the reports I read indicated that it was the Thai investors who pulled out because of controversy, and not the Liverpool board who stalled the talks.

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Get us a link to these 'reports' that you read so, from legitimate sources of course. I'd certainly like to see them

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Originally Posted by Conor74

You sure you aren't allowing your hatred of all things Kerry influence you again?

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No, just your stupidity

I was going to post this earlier but didn't really want to get drawn up in this but here goes...

Conor, you talk about Liverpool basically robbing food from the mouths of the Thai people if that deal had went ahead.

Considering the Government was going to fund the deal by introducing a lottery then where is your logic to this?

To me, whether it's a poor nation or not, people would still have the right NOT to buy a lottery ticket. If they did buy one then they are taking their chances like the rest of us do with our own respective lotteries.

To me, only the people who could afford to buy a ticket would do so, so I don't see how that would be a big deal at all :confused:

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Originally Posted by Conor74

The lottery was one issue - I think the objections would have been along the lines of money raised allowed to leak out of the country when it could have gone to much better causes there.
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I see your point but really, we could say that about nearly every country.

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Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse

I see your point but really, we could say that about nearly every country.

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all except giving it to the GAA. ;)

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Originally Posted by Conor74

I see that the editor of a Liverpool fanzine expressed concerns in that article too. Presumably Jockser and 4tothefloor would have dismissed his view as 'crazy talk' and someone who didn't know the facts like they did.

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But we know all that already! :rolleyes: Did you not read my initial reply? I'll say it again. As SOON as Liverpool FC became aware of the Shinawatras plans, they PULLED OUT. There was a lot of stuff in the papers, including a lot of scare mongering, before Liverpool pulled out of the deal. Considering that the majority of the papers are 90% rubbish-talk and 10% fact (thats being generous), Liverpool obviously had to look into what the Thai's were actually offering before they made any decision. When it was confirmed as government money, they pulled out. Then the Thais came back with this lottery thing, but Liverpool were not interested in that either. It's the Thais who were desperate to invest, not Liverpool desperate for the Thais. It was after this that the Thai record company became involved.

At no point could Liverpool FC be accused of bad ethics, or taking from the poor. That's just laughable. How about Man U being reprimanded for being involved in a cartel that controls the price of football shirts, remember that? Now that's bad ethics. Pulling out of a deal that is not right ethically, that's good ethics - see the difference?

In any case, there were a few fan protests because the local fans did not want foreign investors having a say in the club from as far as Thailand, so it was never going to happen either way.

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Originally Posted by Conor74

or one could question what Roman exactly did to make billions when most in his country struggle to get by.

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BBC2 tonight @ 9.50, there is a documentary Sweeney Investigates about how Roman made his billions.

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Originally Posted by Conor74

The lottery was one issue - I think the objections would have been along the lines of money raised allowed to leak out of the country when it could have gone to much better causes there.

But Amnesty opposed any dealings with Shinawatra on a much more fundamental basis - because of his appalling human rights record.

http://sport.scotsman.com/football.cfm?id=537592004

I see that the editor of a Liverpool fanzine expressed concerns in that article too. Presumably Jockser and 4tothefloor would have dismissed his view as 'crazy talk' and someone who didn't know the facts like they did.

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LOL look lad what is it exactly you are trying to put liverpool down with?? Dodgy dealings?? taking money from the starving?? being a one man team? will ya make your mind up? Coz it looks like you wont be happy till you get it all out of your system even though every one of your arguments are hilarious and without substance we all do enjoy your rants!!!....really!!! :D

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Originally Posted by Conor74

True. Or at least you could certainly say it about other investment situations - I can't think of another time a country wanted to invest in a club, but certainly one could raise questions about the ethics of taking huge sums of money from Nike (ManU) while they continue to operate sweat shops, use child employees and ban trade unions from their factories in third world countries, or one could question what Roman exactly did to make billions when most in his country struggle to get by.

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so conor you have no Nike Addidas Umbro Reebok clothing or footwear? Give it a rest lad will ya!!! :confused: :confused:

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Originally Posted by Conor74

:D :D

When Liverpool fans 'gang up'...

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yet again avoiding the topic :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Not at all. I've said all I want to say, and people like 4tothefloor seem to delight in the 'I hate Kerrymen'

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EDIT: Actually, couldn't be bothered replying anymore to this rubbish. :rolleyes: (Whistles........)

Back to the thread topic. Will Everton finish above Liverpool this season? If Dudek & Traore start every week, yes they will. Otherwise, no!

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Not at all. I've said all I want to say

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Praise the Lord!!! So no more silly made up comments about Liverpool??
Excellent!!!! But i doubt youll be able to hold your tongue for long....

Im gonna hold you to that statement :p

will carson go straight into the first team?
can he be any worse than dudek?? Is that possible??

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Originally Posted by Gary

Didi Hamann probably had his worst ever game today, but to say he is past it is short sighted, and to be fair - a typical barstool slogan.

Garcia worked hard today, but didnt get the rub.

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Did you see these two again today? Even barstoolers, whatever thay are, can see at this stage that these are two of our many duds. Absolutely useless. Hamann was so bad, Biscan actually made a difference when he came on! :eek: Dudek hopeless again today for the first goal. For Pellegrino, read Laurent Blanc.

On a better note, Traore was dropped today. I'd like to see the same happen with Hamann, Garcia and Dudek as well.

Rumours are rife that Owen will return in the summer, with Baros getting the boot. Let us pray.....

Poor day for Merseyside but to two different extents. We lost a valuable three points at home to a dogged Charlton side. Great strike by Mattie it must be said. But we fought hard and it just wasn't to be. We definitely need a few quality additions to the squad very soon as we appear to be running out of steam in certain areas. We're still very much in line for that Champs Lge spot so fingers crossed.

Things are going from bad to worse on the red half and I'm rather enjoying it. A shambolic display again today against fellow strugglers Southampton! Rafa looks a very stressed individual at the moment and could end up going down the same road as a certain Mr. Houllier.... the faulty ticker and all that! There are so many poor players in the pool side at the minute. It really is alarming. Their season rests on tuesday night on whether they can cling onto that one nil lead away to Watford. Here's hoping the Hornets can turn it around and condemn the scousers to even more failure.... if that's posssible!

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Originally Posted by Conor74

On the other hand, Sunderland and Leeds are supposed to be interested in Le Tallec. Is he as bad as everyone says?

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Was rated well ahead of a certain Cristiano Ronaldo (not that this would be hard....) at the World youth championships not too long ago. Le Tallec is a playmaker, most effective in the hole behind the strikers. Under Houllier, he never got a chance in that role....surprise, surprise. So at the start of this season, he demanded first team football from Benitez. Benitez thought this was a bit cheeky and unrealistic from a 19 year old, so he packed him off to St. Etienne on loan. His loan move to France is a complete waste of time as he is not going to learn anything about English football over there. He seems to have a bit of an attitude problem, mainly because he has been destined for greatness for some time, but none of it is really working out.

His demands pre-season were a major own goal on his part, as he would probably be playing a prominant role with Liverpool had he stayed, considering the injuries and lack of attacking options. He's a far better player IMO than Pongolle, so hopefully some English club will sign him on loan and get him used to the English game. Norwich & West Brom are said to be after him as well.


As for the game on Tuesday, Hyypia is out injured now, so Watford have every chance. Why? Because it will mean Djimi Bambi returning to a defence, probably alongside Pellegrino - if that isn't a recipe for disaster.....

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Originally Posted by 4tothefloor

As for the game on Tuesday, Hyypia is out injured now, so Watford have every chance. Why? Because it will mean Djimi Bambi returning to a defence, probably alongside Pellegrino - if that isn't a recipe for disaster.....

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Am pretty disgusted with Benitez making Traore a scapegoat.
OK shocking mistake against Burnley but until then he had been one of the most solid performers on the team.
We wouldn't have a lead to take into Tuesdays game but for him.
Sticks Warnock in left back and where do the 2 goals come from?
You guessed it. Rafa basically went and shot himself in the foot.
Apart from that a spineless, gutless empty performance by players who look as if they couldn't care less.

And what about Gerrard? A total passenger on saturday. I dont buy this - he's tired excuse at all. He doesnt want to be there full stop. If Benitez is cute, he'll sell him now, get big bucks for him, and invest in the team.

I also think that Traore was hard done by. Okay, his history with Liverpool has been poor, and I was a huge critic, but from what Ive seen of him this season, he has done very well. He tackles well, gets forward alot and floats in some nice ball. Okay, the OG the other night was brutal, but these things do happen in football. Also, after he went off the other night, I noticed he was sat in the dug out alone. I felt this was very poor management, and showed a distinct lack of team spirit. The guys confidence was obviously shot, so after he was taken off there should have been someone there to put an arm on the shoulder. I certainly doubt that if Wayne Bridge did similar for Chelsea that Mourinho would let him sit alone.

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Originally Posted by Gary

I certainly doubt that if Wayne Bridge did similar for Chelsea that Mourinho would let him sit alone.

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Funnily enough, he probably would! Mourinho doesn't have much time for him apparantly, next man out the door at Chelsea.

Just watching Diouf for Bolton at the moment. Causing loads of controversy again, but is getting the job done. Could do with him at Anfield at the moment, especially when you consider that such class acts as Nunez, Garcia & Mellor are playing in his positions.......we need a bit of fight, too many pansies

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Originally Posted by Dillo

Poor day for Merseyside but to two different extents. We lost a valuable three points at home to a dogged Charlton side. Great strike by Mattie it must be said. But we fought hard and it just wasn't to be. We definitely need a few quality additions to the squad very soon as we appear to be running out of steam in certain areas. We're still very much in line for that Champs Lge spot so fingers crossed.

Things are going from bad to worse on the red half and I'm rather enjoying it. A shambolic display again today against fellow strugglers Southampton! Rafa looks a very stressed individual at the moment and could end up going down the same road as a certain Mr. Houllier.... the faulty ticker and all that! There are so many poor players in the pool side at the minute. It really is alarming. Their season rests on tuesday night on whether they can cling onto that one nil lead away to Watford. Here's hoping the Hornets can turn it around and condemn the scousers to even more failure.... if that's posssible!

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Well, after we lost on Saturday, Everton's "ten-point lead" over Liverpool celebration party was cancelled after Matt Holland's classic strike. It hasn't escaped my attention that Everton are so overjoyed at beating us, they've only won 2 league games since. They only care about beating us. :( Who's Charlton's next league game against? Take a wild guess!!

In the FA Cup quarter-finals in 1986, we had to go to Watford, in the old tip that was Vicarage Road, for a replay. Our season looked over when John Barnes scored for Watford, putting them 1-0 up with 5 minutes to go. We went straight up the other end, scored from a penalty, won it in extra-time, and went on to win the double. While the game tonight, may not be as important to neutrals, the game may well be a turning point in our season again, good or bad. Hopefully, the '86 game will be a good omen.

Looks like it has gone from bad to worse for Liverpool on the injury front.

Poor ol Pongolle was on the pitch all of 3 minutes last night before being stretchered off with what looked like a knee ligament injury.

On the other hand, there is talk of signing Bellamy from Newcastle. This guy is definitely a good player, but his temprement/commitment have to be questioned after last weekneds debacle with Souness. That said, Souness has a history of this as well. He drove Yorke, Cole and David Dunn out of Blackburn.

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Originally Posted by Gary

On the other hand, there is talk of signing Bellamy from Newcastle. This guy is definitely a good player, but his temprement/commitment have to be questioned after last weekneds debacle with Souness

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I hope to God that petulant little pr!ck gets nowhere near the gates of Anfield :mad:

As well as having a reputation amongst his team mates of being a moaner, he also has a p!ss poor record as a goalscorer (odd considering he doesn't like getting played out of position :rolleyes: ).

"He is a first-class moaner. Newcastle’s fans shouldn’t be surprised as he’s acting totally to type. I’d call him a poison dwarf but that would be an insult to dwarves."
Coventry fanzine editor Neville Hadsley gives his unique insight into former Sky Blue Craig Bellamy.

eleven-a-side.com

Are we feckin cursed with injuries or something???? :( :(

On a brighter note i just booked me flight and accomodation to Cardiff :D :D

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Originally Posted by jockser

Are we feckin cursed with injuries or something???? :( :(

On a brighter note i just booked me flight and accomodation to Cardiff :D :D

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Was going to do the same, but tickets are proving difficult to track down. I've about 20 people between here and the UK on the lookout for me. The packages to the final will be on sale tomorrow, but will prob cost an arm and a leg, especially if it's V Man U.

BTW jockser, where you flying in to and where are you staying? PM me the details if you can please.

On Bellamy, put it this way, he'd be better than what we've got in certain areas at the moment. For £5m, i'd sign him like a shot. We need some home based influence badly.

http://saints.rlfans.com/fusion_imag...viegerrard.JPG

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Originally Posted by Conor74

Could be facing stiff competition from Stoke...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ed/4208747.stm

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That's priceless that! Talk about a slap in the face for him :D

nexcastle have said they would listen to loan offers..... he would defo come to us on loan so i think that would be the best option

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Originally Posted by M@ttitude

http://saints.rlfans.com/fusion_imag...viegerrard.JPG

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That's a bit confusing cos Gerrard has always openly said that he grew up watching Liverpool from the Kop, as a Liverpool fan. He looks about 5 yrs old there, so it was probably his Dad trying to force him into being an Evertonian, during their one brief period, sorry no, SEASON, of success. The boy obviously got sense shortly after that photo :D