It's time for Jack Byrne to walk alright. Walk away from Wigan and off to some club in Holland or with ambitions to play in the Premier LeagueQuote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
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It's time for Jack Byrne to walk alright. Walk away from Wigan and off to some club in Holland or with ambitions to play in the Premier LeagueQuote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
I'm sure clubs will be queuing up to sign a player who started two games in the Championship this year.
I'm equally sure all those Championship sides gearing up for a right tilt at getting into the Premiership who he turned down to join Wigan will be circling again too.
I'll be interested to see how good Byrne really is.
He showed some glimpses in Holland from the clips I saw but on the flip side they finished the season well adrift at bottom of league so expectations were low.
I've given up trying to judge player who look good at club u19 u21 reserve team football as The standard and competivrness seems poor.
Paul Cook has taken over at Wigan. He's done well by Irish players wherever he's been.
Big game with Liverpool on Saturday - ended 1-1. Should have been the big start for our Jack, one would think?Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
But he didn't even kick a ball despite a plethora of substitutions by Wigan at half time.
What on earth is going on?
"What on earth is going on" im sorry to say it, but he is not god enough. If you compare him to Liam Kelly a guy around the same age. Jack won't ever play a competitive international game. Liam will probably play dozens.
I don't think anybody is expecting him to be God, but it'd be nice if he could make a League One squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
And tell me this, were you saying 12 months ago that Liam Kelly was good enough? Even when many reckoned he hadn't much of a future at Reading until Stam saw something he liked?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
Of course he has the potential to be good enough. He seriously needs to stop the rot in his career now.
He's not good enough? How do you figure that when he was among the top three young players in Holland a little over a year ago? I'm sure you've seen the clips of his fine play against Ajax and Feyenoord? It would appear that he's not suited to the 'basic' football of League One, and that's fine by me because he has proven himself at a higher level already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
When Liam Kelly was playing at bath city in the 6th tier of English football byrne was playing most weeks in the top tier of Dutch football so that's a bit of an in FFS air statement. It's only preseason give the dad a chanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
I get a little concerned when I hear that players have a falling out with a manager (or club), as Byrne seems to have had with Owen Coyle - as with any job, it doesn't look good for future opportunities - for example Owen Garvan saying that he would outlast Ian Holloway at Palace - while that technically turned out to be accurate, Garvan's career has gone backwards since then, when he really should have been pushing on to the next level. And Emmanuel Osadebe recently put out a snarky twitter comment when he left Gillingham and has ended up a division lower at Cambridge.
Neither did Grigg, Morsey or Powell feature. Three players that are expected to have a big say in Wigan's season provided they can hold on to them. Paul Cook in a pre match interview said he had a lot of injuries so I'm assuming Byrne was one of them as some Wigan fans are hoping for a big season from him. Mouth watering game away to Southport tonight, I'll keep ye posted ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
See point number 3 :http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/foot...ight-1-8652810
What are you on about, Siberian? The goose is cooked. Byrne is done...
What am I on about? Just providing an explanation to Mark as to why Byrne didn't feature against Liverpool. I don't think he's quite done yet but he needs to produce this season. He came to Wigan in January but didn't really feature as there were issues about his match fitness. He featured as a sub in a few games late in season and seemingly impressed a few. I'd be a bit concerned if he still isn't match fit with the season two weeks away but with three more pre-season friendlies before then let's give me a chance??Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Foot.ie humour isn't for everyone.
Not a regular visitor so not really familiar with the posters and their personality types etc. Will try and keep this in mind in future and I do like a bit of humour, you know the type that can cause a laugh or maybe forces a wee smile ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Haha, sorry Siberian. The tendency to write off young players prematurely is subject to much satire here. I find some of the criticism above of Byrne's last year hilarious. It could end up making him a better player. He definitely has to make an impression this year or risk a Conor Clifford-type downward trajectory. But there's every chance he will.
"Top 3 young players in holland" then why was he in the worst team in holland and when they went down why didnt psv or ajax sign him from city
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Also if you look a kelly and Byrne play. They are miles apart.
Why don't you say it like you see it Diggs ?
yep, one's in reading and the other in wigan...Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
PSV and Ajax are not in the habit of signing players from Man City.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
Wigan Today describes Byrne as one of the 'big hitters' missing from the Wigan team presently. I know there is a bit of local propaganda happening here, but at least, it is not negative.
http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/foot...ight-1-8652810
Cook used basically the same team that played against Liverpool at Southport last night with none of the big hitters playing. Don't know why.
None of the big hitters playing is probably down to one of two reasons i.e. they are angling for a move in which case Cook doesn't see the point in using them in pre-season or else they are injured. I'm guessing Byrne is in the latter category.Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
On a side note I love how fickle supporters can be. For example after drawing 1-1 with Liverpool at weekend Wigan fans were talking about how they would walk League 1 but after drawing with a non league side last night it's all 'same old ****e' :D. Don't you just love it!!! Ps Noel Hunt is training with Wigan at the moment and judging by Omar Bogle's performance last night he might get a chance. Also rumour that Bogle could be replaced by Eoin Doyle of Preston.
This doesn't look good: http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/foot...cook-1-8676959
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Cook and Latics rounded off a ‘difficult’ week - in which Max Power, Omar Bogle and Jack Byrne were removed from the first-team squad and made available for transfer - with a 1-1 draw at Grimsby on Saturday. in their final pre-season friendly.
He did, however, confirm that Power, Bogle and Byrne were out of his plans at least until the end of the transfer window. “We won’t be seeing them at the minute, no,” Cook admitted. “The transfer window is what it is. “If the window was to close, and they are still at the club, then we would have to look at it again in a different light. “But for the rest of the window, the lads will be away from the rest of the group.
So disappointing, thought this guy would be the real deal. He is going down the Conor Clifford route now.
Work for his agent to do. I think we said a few weeks ago that he needed an upwardly mobile Championship club or a return to Holland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Park_Lane
I think he can be the real deal but his next move is critical. He is a proper footballer from what I've seen of him. He needs the chance to play in a team that plays it on the floor.
I think I read that Graham Barrett is his agent?
Problem is he has no real experience in the championship, so who is going to take a punt on another failed academy graduate - both blackburn and wigan have basically said he is not good enough. Please god saint mick will take him to Ipswich or I can see him dropping down the leagues
You should have said he was not bad enough to play for Blackburn/Wigan. At Rover's he was jettisoned as a luxury because he actually had a bit of creativity about him and sought to play the ball on the deck. Who's approach finally worked out, his or Owen Coyle's? And when Mowbary came it was a case of deja Vu. At Wigan he arrived again to a relegation haunted team. None of the above circumstances were condusive to the development of a ball playing midfielder and the nurturing of an understanding with his team mates. Time for him to go back to Holland I would think. I feel he has the drive and desire to succeed in the gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Park_Lane
I think a really sensible move would be to someone like Cork and really enjoy a solid year of first team football to regain confidence.
With so many Championship teams keeping an eye on the league at the minute, it could be the perfect shop window for him.
An excellent idea.....Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
If I am interpreting this article correctly, Byrne is angling to leave Wigan and this is why he has been banished to training with the U18s like Power. I only mention this has maybe he has not completely lost confidence or ability, just looking for another fresh start.
https://www.balls.ie/football/jack-b...-future-370372
As usual, balls.ie have taken the quotes from the wigan today article I linked above, and added nothing
Sorry Tets, just trying to find a positive angle in a worrying situation for Byrne.
Rule of thumb for balls "articles", take out the quotes, tweets and Instagram photos, and read what's left.
He's in trouble so.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Maybe we should stop looking at this through green tinted glasses and consider Byrne is not as good as we would like him to be? Surely managers and coaches at both Blackburn and Wigan who have been assessing him on a daily basis over the last two seasons are best placed to make a judgement?
Sadly that is the most likely scenario . If you are good enough most managers will play you and if you are good enough and not playing then there will be plenty of managers and clubs looking to bring you in.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Siberian