Oh mother of God, Sammon on. Can't wait to see the back of Trap. It is so frustrating
Oh mother of God, Sammon on. Can't wait to see the back of Trap. It is so frustrating
A disgraceful decision again.
Great stop from Forde there.
Coleman named MOTM
£9 banked!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Sammon....why like. Trap seems to think he's knock down man but everytime the long ball came to him he jumped too early or didnt bother jumping at all. Like the game was screaming for hoolihan or Brady to add some attacking flair....arghrgahghrgahrgahgrhagrh agrahgrargahgrhag!
He'll never change it from 4-4-2. Thought Sammon did well actually.
Irish MOTM was probably McCarthy.
I thought Sledge had a very solid second half.
O'Shea didn't put a foot wrong and Coleman had a great first half.
Thought Robbie played well too.
Long as always was one of our best performers and Forde was very confident and made some great saves
Poor second half from both teams. The quality of players coming off the bench really showed the difference in resources in both teams. Couldnt of argued if England nicked a winner but good to see Ireland soak up 20 minutes of pressure. England had no cutting edge up front and any chances they made were out of pure luck rather than cutting through us.
Coleman rightly man of the match. McCarthy a close second ahead of any of the England players who really looked like they were playing an end of season friendly.
I didn't like Longs celebration at the end but it's only a personal gripe. Roy Keane would probably agree with me.
At the end of the day, we were living off long punts from Forde where at least they tried to play out from the back, without much success. The big argument earlier in the week about whether England are a top side is pretty moot now. They're good, just not that good.
Trap made good subs in that game, including Sammon. I have no issue with him coming on with a few minutes to go.
Imo, it was toss up between Forde, Long and Coleman for motm.
I thought McCarthy was very good yet again, he was my MOTM. Coleman was good but got caught out twice by not keeping it simple. Potential accident waiting to happen, hopefully he will stamp this aspect out of his game. Forde was impressive tonight. St Ledger showed the rustiness of his recent spell out. Kelly was a liablilty at LB. O'Shea reasonably solid. Whelan has gone way back, his legs are gone. We need a 3-man midfield of McCarthy, Meyler and Hoolahan. McGeady played like a man who was just off a long haul flight, terrible. Ditto Keane. Walters should not be played on right wing. Did nothing. Long took his goal superbly, was a handful and unlucky not to get more change off the ref.
Of the subs:
McClean is not up to standard and will be playing Championship football next season.
Nice to see Hendrick getting a run but thought Meyler deserved the opportunity.
Sammon - feel sorry for him to be honest, way out of his depth. Trap should be careful about continuing to inflict this cruelty. Amnesty international may be forced to get involved.
Cox - Should not be in squad
In summary:
McCarthy, Coleman, Forde and Long above average.
Whelan, O'Shea average.
Keane, McGeady, Walters, St Ledger, Kelly below average
What exactly did he do wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
He won the ball back a few times and got stuck in. More than a few players did over 45 minutes
Good performance overall. I thought Forde was just so solid, not even just the saves in the last 15, but everything up to then was so confident, calm and assured. Took ownership of his area. He gets my motm ahead of Coleman and McCarthy.
Subs were disappointing for me though was great to see Hendrick get 20 mins. He's such a ride.
Referee was a complete w@nkbag.
Nothing against him personally. He wears his heart on a sleeve and will work his socks off for the side. But he just is not up to international standard and should not be in the squadQuote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
defo Coleman for MOM for me made a goal saved a goal and very effective in defence as well as occasionally going forward.
bit of a question mark about sledge/whelan for the goal but otherwise I can't complain too much, I mean when I put my £1
on 1-1 I was not expecting to see it again because I could not see us scoring, which makes Long runner up MOM because that was
a superb header, gotta be right up there with great Irish goals.
90% of that goal was the Long effect.
Happy enough with the draw. Great to see former LoI players assist and score!
For no reason here's the head-to-head league table of the Home Nations [sic] based on the last time they played each other including tonight's draw with the Tans:
Pld W D L F A Pts Ireland 4 3 1 0 10 1 10 England 4 2 1 1 3 2 7 Wales 4 2 0 2 4 5 6 Scotland 4 1 0 3 4 4 3 Dem 'uns 4 1 0 3 1 10 3
Incidentally, England and Scotland haven't played each other since 1999. I find that hard to believe. Is it true?
I think Coleman shaded it for me but Forde was magnificent in goal. He has been brilliant since taking over from Shay. When you see him calmly plucking the ball from the air and staying big whilst blocking shots from Oxladelain you have to wonder what he would have done for us last June.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Rare headed goal from Long tipped into the corner of the net.
It's a Long way to tip a rarey.
Post match article:
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/14...iendly?cc=5901
It was a great cross from Coleman he is the best crossers of the ball we have, probably the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
There's no way that should've made me chuckle, but it did...Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Definitely. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
In Forde, we have a very competent keeper who probably deserves to be playing at a higher level. In long, we have a very good international class player. In Coleman and Macca we have two young lads of outstanding ability.
In Hoolahan...
we have a manager who doesn't appreciate his talents!Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tipp Townie
Thanks, it just kind of came into may head, dunno where from but it does kind of works without forcing it too much.
you have to think of the 'way' as the method as opposed to the distance then it works really well :)
Whilst not at all excited by the way we play, I have to hand it to every player who worked their socks off to get that result, that includes the maligned Kelly, Walters, Whelan and St Ledger. I'm more than content with not losing that game and the effort it took not to lose.
I wouldn't beat my brow over a litter of mistakes that led up to the England goal, that started with a poor kick out from Forde and ended with Lampard's excellent piece of skill. Our defenders in general had a good game against much better players. We didn't ask enough questions from the English defence, apart from a few times, eg McGeady skinned his marker on the edge of the box. We finished the game (last 10 minutes or so) well, that's always a good sign.
At the risk of Stutts having a pre-bed rant when he gets back from Wembley, would you have swapped that composure in the last 10 min for the last 10 v Austria and lost tonight and beaten them?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
We have a real classy player. Unfortunately, under Trap, we won't see much of Wes.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Are you having another delusion of the Almighty, Bonnie? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
What will it cost me? What did it cost Robert Johnson?
Bonnie, you got me thinking. Could the composure shown tonight be because we know England's style of play and the players involved? Our style of play is defensive and lacks creativity and when up against more offensive, creative teams, we don't have the mindset to cope. I am not suggesting Austria are any world beaters , but it is not the first time our composure has gone missing at crucial times.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
A few observations from the match:
Coleman's cross and Long's header were superb. I don't think Long offers enough of a goal threat, but for a team like ours who make so few chances, Long's ability to get to crosses first and to win free kicks from nothing is invaluable. He has to start.
Initially I thought England's goal was split fault between Sledge and Whelan. However, I think any frontline defender like Sledge can make an error like that, whereas failing to keep track of your man is unforgiveable. Am I being too harsh on Whelan/light on the doc?
McCarthy played well but every time he had the ball he was surrounded by two English players. We don't have enough midfielders to offer him an out ball, which means too often he is looking to play balls back to the centre halves or full backs, and apart from Coleman they don't offer good enough distribution. Whelan is a passenger.
I love Robbie and he played his heart out again tonight in an unselfish role, but I really don't think we can cope against a packed midfield like that with two strikers. He needs to adapt his game to being an impact player rather than starting every game. Trouble is, without him we lack a natural finisher, because Long isn't it.
We need two proper wingers and a box to box midfielder. Too often we saw McGeady and then McClean break but find absolutely nobody in support and they had to check back when they had the beating of their man. Most teams won't have players as pacey as Walcott and Oxlaide Chamberlain to cover, but we still need more to transition from defence to attack. We are set up to counter attack but don't have the players to do it.
Forde is the goalkeeper we've been looking for. I can't tell you how much of a relief it is after a decade and a half of Given to have a goalkeeper who will come and claim every single cross, and he's a good shot-stopper too.
An English pundit 'speaks'...
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater
May her god go with her...
Just on Forde, Hodgson mentions him in particular for praise in his post match observations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
http://www.sportinglife.com/football...lic-of-ireland
Oxlade. Sounds like something farmers would worry about in the 1800s.
Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
Hmm...Quote:
"England are one of the strongest three, four or five countries in the world," said Republic boss Giovanni Trapattoni.
I think Coleman was the best player on the pitch but at least Trap appears to be acknowledging Long's abilities with the attention they've deserved.Quote:
"I am happy from what I saw: James McCarthy, Seamus Coleman. Shane Long was clearly the best on the pitch.
It actually started before that with a very poor ball from McCarthy across the backline that ended up behind Coleman (I think) that put us on the back foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Good performance though on the whole. Satisified with it even if Kelly and St Ledger just aren't up to it at this level.
A lot of praise for Coleman on the thread and he did play well but his part in the England goal seems to be glossed over or unnoticed. Shocking stuff to let Sturridge wander into the penalty area. It was poor defending, what followed was equally poor but should never have got to that. Sturridge didn't display pace or skill just walked with the ball and Coleman back off and off.
Glen Whelan was very poor for the goal Lampard scored.
Another 'alternative' English view...
Surprised cullotty 82 has not already posted, but this thread does feature our rotund friend with their dubious spelling...
:eek:
http://www.wsc.co.uk/forum-index/27-...rep-of-ireland