Irish teenage soccer player sues club for ‘trauma’ http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...ma-787383.html
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Irish teenage soccer player sues club for ‘trauma’ http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...ma-787383.html
Can open, worms everywhere
TV3's Paul Byrne reporting he lost the case: https://twitter.com/PaulByrne_1/stat...18770881335297
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Schoolboy footballer loses trauma claim against his former club @CarrigalineUtd. See #3News @5.30. @FAIreland
Good.
Interesting article on the changing schoolboy scene, LOI underage sides vs traditional schoolboy clubs, FAI strategy of backing the LOI clubs rather than the schoolboy clubs etc.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-35661812.html
He (or rather his father) was never going to win that case. Bizarre law suit. And Sheffield Wednesday were interested ? He would have soon been suffering from pre- mid term and post traumatic stress disorder !!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Snowflake.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
No, you're the snowflake for thinking he's a snowflake.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Crap, I think that makes me a snowflake for pointing that out.
sorry for the delay in responding but after that assault I just needed some time in my safe space.
discussion with Emmer Malone and Kenny Cunningham on the development of the underage setup on Off The Ball last night, on the podcast here: https://cdn.radiocms.net/media/001/a...audio_file.mp3
Bit of a relevant article in the Irish Times today - http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...-act-1.3113617
Decent read but I think it sort of ignores that he situation is improving a lot. Could he not frame his discussion in the context that the number of players that started in the LOI in our current squad is at a high in the modern generation? Instead of comparing it to other countries.. I think our culture is changing somewhat in that footballers do see the current squad as an example of how one can stay in Ireland and get, at least, a leaving cert and will be picked up if they're good enough (see Ryan Manning and his 545 or so points).
Also no mention of the recent improving results for the u17 and u19 squads?
Actually, I think the point is made that the situation is in fact disimproving. The point is made that there was more than 3 years without a single ex-LoI player breaking through to the national team, for example. The point is made that you have to be careful (as I think you've just done, and Gabay did) about believing the league will continue to supply players at the rate it has done (the full document actually goes into a lot more detail on that; it was online a while back - I'll see if I can dig it up)Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
The league is compared to itself, and it's found that actually, the number of players is now starting to decrease. McClean is the last player to come through, and he's 28.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Comparison to other countries is hugely important when the LoI at its peak is still so far behind practically every other country in Europe.
Less relevant in the context of a professional route for players to progress from this level to full international.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
That said, "improving results" for the u17s when they recently suffered their biggest ever defeat...?
I think that is Completely unfair. Look at the rest of their results.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Possibly. I think it's worth highlighting though.
But the point is players need a professional route from 17s/19s onwards - England has never been less of an option, and we don't have it in Ireland. So those teams are actually of limited relevance, IMO. (Leaving aside that underage teams often aren't a guide to future national team strength anyway - look at how few of the U-20 World Cup semi-finalists from Malaysia actually went anywhere)
Anyways, found the link for the report in full - https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...html#document/
Em...what about Daryl Horgan, Andy Boyle and Alan Browne? And while Kevin Long went before McClean, his career has been bit more slow-burning but he now seems to be getting established and is still young enough that he can have 7-9 years ahead of him. If Ryan Manning keeps his current progress going he will surely be in the picture for a call-up sooner rather than later. Richie Towell is now at a Premier League club, although a good loan move next season might be best for him. Sean Maguire and Kevin O'Connor are going to get their shot next season. Ryan Delaney has shown a lot of promise during his loan at Cork City and will hopefully figure in Burton's first team when he returns. And there's a few former English Academy Cast-Offs who would be eyeing another shot across the water (Kieran Sadlier, Alex O'Hanlon, Brandon Miele). So there's no way I would say the ability of the League of Ireland to produce prospects for the National team is in permanent decline - it certainly dipped after the financial crisis but it's definitely on the rise again and is pretty close to the level achieved from 2003-2010 and might end up becoming better than that time if the underage link-ups work out.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Sorry - i meant to come through as a national team regular.
Browne didn't play LoI. You answered your own point on Long. Horgan and Boyle may well be regulars, but it doesn't hide the fact that if they do become regulars, they'd be the first LoI ones in five years.
Towell, Maguire, etc, have done nothing yet. Maguire in particular could just be the next Roy O'Donovan, Dave Mooney or John O'Flynn. Miele is really scraping the barrel in fairness. There's been plenty of players who were going to be the next thing but haven't broken through - Hoban, Forrester and Kearns for example.
There's no evidence the LoI is on the rise again; the report seems to argue quite strongly against. There's certainly no point pretending all is rosy; we've an ageing team with a national league with an appalling track record, even at its peak, for developing players.
Kearns disapppinted a lot. Forrester might and should come good yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
But this is it. It's easy to get excited about a top LoI player leaving the league to go abroad. But more often than not, they don't make it at international level. The report actually predicts that Forrester won't get capped because he went over at too low a level. Now, he might still get capped of course, but then the chances are it'll be for a team that won't be good enough to qualify for tournaments.
I think it's interesting that the 8 ex-LoI players in the Euro 2016 squad came from 7 different clubs. Most were largely pro at one stage or another. Now it's just Cork and Dundalk sending players over for the most part. We need full-time teams here to develop players, and we don't have them.
There's always exceptions of course. Which is why it's important to get away from big news items like Maguire and look at the data overall. Which the report does
not Irish players, but a short film following three players who were released from their league clubs at 18 going to exit trials
Former Donegal GAA manager and Celtic performance consultant Jim McGuinness has been appointed assistant coach at Chinese Super League club Beijing Sinobo Guoan: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/40454791
As far as I know, McGuinness has already completed the FAI Coaching Pathway, Kick Start 2 and the FAI Youth Cert Coaching Course.
An article here about how Swedish clubs are tackling the detrimental impact of pushy parents at kids' football matches.
'Stop shouting: how Sweden tackled misbehaving parents at kids’ football': https://www.theguardian.com/football...-football-code
Maybe something for the FAI and Irish clubs/youth teams to consider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Christenson
Update on Jim McGuinness in China: https://www.balls.ie/football/jim-mc...g-guoan-368721
His new team beat Phil Scolari's league-leaders, Guangzhou Evergrande, 2-0 at the weekend.
A game in China hardly relevant to the 'future of youth development in irish football' :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
He's been mentioned in this thread a few times as he was doing youth coach training with the FAI, so I stuck the update on his career here rather than starting a new thread. I didn't think a new thread dedicated solely to McGuinness would be justified for an assistant manager not actually involved in the international set-up, but maybe it would be appropriate. If mods/tets wish to move the McGuinness posts to a new thread, I'd have no problem with that whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siberian
apart from the balls.ie link, I've no problem with it.
I agree, Danny has committed the worst thread violation I've seen here yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Ah, but at least he didn't quote the whole 19 page transcript of the videos! I, for one, commend the restraint he showed. :cool:
Haha! :o
If only I had a Chinese keyboard...
...you'd break the internet! And we'd all have to learn Mandarin to keep up with you!:D
Future looks healthy for Irish football, says Rudd Dokter: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/s...er-453866.html
"I'm doing a really good job", says man.
Bit of a nothing article really.
Says man over the head of development
Same time England win the under 19 euros. Didn't we win that once?
Yes Benno, but the man should be judged on his time here, not what happened a generation before his arrival.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Ruud does not remark upon his influence having effect or is in anyway self congratulatory in those few lines he's quoted as saying.
He came into a country where there was a dysfunctional structure in senior clubs from a culture in Netherlands where a community send their kids to their club and are a part of the club from cradle to grave, from generation to generation. Ajax don't just have an elite academy but have a plethora of underage teams playing at every grade at every underage level. It is the undisputed truth that the effect of a club having say a 100 - 200 underage teams both sexes, well coached and playing at all levels, is a club firmly rooted in the community with a solid base.
When Ruud arrived in Ireland the first thing he remarked upon was that LOI clubs should have functioning academies and a country level underage league.
He said he would not want his children to leave the country at age 15 or 16 to go abroad.
Some LOI clubs on their own steam have made great strides with developing their acadamies,
eg Shamrock Rovers have secured access to extra facilities, expanded their academy and have many teams competing in the district leagues..
What Ruud can be judged upon is any progress made with the elite players at underage intl level.
Coaching schools, the amount of qualified Pro, A and B coaches.
The establishment and effect of the underage national leagues.
Any FAI input since his arrival in supporting senior clubs to develop their academies.
Progress made in general with provision of (or access to) playing and training facilities, at sane prices.
thanks for the well thought out reply Geysir.......anyway like anything time will tell
Stephen Hunt: Ireland's international future looks bright thanks to smart underage tactics: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-36184746.html
He still has such a skewed view of things though. It's still all about sending the best kids to England according to him. Things like "They will have time and a place to come through and be ready to play for English clubs and then be ready to get game time. " and "Hopefully this new desire to improve the development of young footballers in Ireland will also help those who don't make it."Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Also, talk of the FAI 'taking guidance from English academies' is total nonsense. Why would Ruud Dokter follow a failed English example when the continental academies have been far more successful over the past twenty to thirty years?
He said himself, he was impressed by the standard of football and how the players were being taught to play when he watched Waterford play Cork in an under-15 game. I can't understand why the focus cannot be on the underage game in Ireland without some mention of England and sending players over there?
I don't live in Ireland, but hopefully the coaches have the kids playing 5 a side football on small pitches??Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Hopefully? Because not so long ago I read on here that many of them didn't.
to be fair to hunt his point here is in relation to ensuring the kids in the Irish underage set-ups get the football / education balance correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954