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Major disappointment this year for us. Was okay near the start, then had one or two injury problems (as per nearly the whole Dundalk team), then he was just plain awful. Seemed like he was way out of his depth. Couldn't pass a ball and contributed little else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunny
I've nothing against the lad as he seemed like a decent chap. Maybe he just had a bad year or didn't suit the style Dundalk played.
Courageous just says to me that he is taking a gamble chasing a league title. living within your means would be the sensible optionQuote:
Originally Posted by shellyriver
How on earth is renting a stadium an advantage? Sligo pay for the upkeep of a stadium owned by the people of Sligo. Rovers pay for the upkeep of Tallaght Stadium plus a tidy profit for the council. Owning your own ground is an advantage, renting on isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by shellyriver
CD, you forget. Sligo are on a courageous mission to defeat the evil Shamrock Rovers and take from them the league title and will do so at any costQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
That confused me too. Sligo fans should be very scared. Poor move from the Sligo board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Courageous is a strange word to use. I'm not suggesting Sligo are going down the same route as I don't know anything about their finances, but if it is courageous to spend extra money to try and achieve your goal them all those bankrupt and those who ruined our country by spending beyond their means are courageous to. Nah don't think so.
Courageous for me would be live within your means even if it displeases some of your fans and you can't attract the calibre of player the manager wants at the club. In fairness Sligo have been developing as a good club over the last few year and moving upwards in the league table. A major challenge for the league is the next step for them, hopefully they are going about it the right way.
I smell a Summer cash drive coming on.
Think I might wait and see the results of the AGM before running to panic stations just yet, who knows maybe we turned over another profit last season, again.
Not necessarily, for example, Sligo Rovers want to build a new stand. That costs money. There is no hand out from either local authorities - so it has to self-financed. If you had a benevolent landlord to build same, you retain your liquidity without nightmare of fund-raising your ambitions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
So, Sligo understandably want success. That costs money. So while the committee could refuse to shell out the budget, with the calibre of necessary players it won't happen.
These are just of the considerations of running a club, its a balancing act.
So it is courageous or challenging etc to financially extend the club further.
But hopefully, a few of the 15K or so Sligo supporters who attended the Cup Final will continue to support home side.
You need to show a vision and confidence to progress.
What would you like going back to complete part-time set up, that's called regression.
I mean how many clubs, without pointing figures, either play crooked and go under the water, refuse to pay bills and/or have local authorities paying their way. Sligo certainly isn't one - ever.
So, whilst one or two here got a bit excited with word 'courageous' and there is a bit of spin in word usage -- having linked the article its obvious to see the journalist has given this description and not the Chairman or anyone associated with the club.
As was stated, the AGM will give an indication of finances. Considered steady upward curve over last 5 years, the club is hardly going gung-ho.
Shamrock Rovers provide a tidy profit? Rightly so, they are tenants.
Contrast that with the millions that would be required to build Tallaght etc and service the mortgage. Nah, let the Council build it and take full advantage. Yeah, that's real courageous.
It was hardly a hand-out. If the games hadn't have taken place in Tallaght, the council would have made no money. By building the stand, they got their usual rent plus a huge slice of UEFA money. If Rovers had owned the stadium, they'd have built the stand with prize money, as would Sligo if they reached that stage of the competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by shellyriver
I'm not putting down Sligo at all - I think it's great what the club's done there the past few years. I'm just saying that the goal of any football club is to own its own stadium because otherwise it can't realise its full financial potential, and saying that the club has an advantage because it doesn't own the stadium is bizarre.
Is it Shamrock Rovers goal? Or are they happy in Tallaght?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Also, not owning a stadium can be advantageous if a club is going belly up.
Well the ideal would be to buy Tallaght. If the club keeps developing on a sustainable basis, there'll be a point where the stadium is worth more to Rovers than it is to the council and a sale would be in both parties' interests.
I'd have thought the goal would be not to go belly up in the first place. Not sure how not owning a stadium would benefit, for instance, Bohs right now. It's all that's keeping the club afloat.Quote:
Also, not owning a stadium can be advantageous if a club is going belly up.
Owning the ground is what got them into trouble in the first place though (well, that plus having idiots making the decisions)
sssshhh. There's still many fans of certain clubs who hang onto the 'Rovers were handed a stadium' obsession. Don't ruin it. The 2 million that went into it before the Council came on board was obviously just a figment of the imagination of those of us who raised it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
sean maccaffrey new dundalk manager.
ex ireland youths, what do ye think...
......Ah, the Department of Sport were wondering where all that grant money went ;) Inspectors are still looking down the back of former Shams Directors sofa I believe :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hoopy
I'm not trying to knock Rovers financial success at the moment, but you're a long, long, long way from having enough in reserve to pay what the Council will need to receive to cover their outlay on the stadium. And by that stage, the stadium will already be paid for and making a profit for the council, so why give it up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
James Chambers released by Hamilton. Would imagine most clubs here would like to sign him
Rumour or confirmed? Very good manager, a lot of fans wanted him to take the Monaghan job last year but he said that he didn't want it early on.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerJay
God, if he was Dundalk manager I might not want them to do really really badly...
Lets just wait for official confirmation.Quote:
Originally Posted by HomerJay
would love him back at rovers, great engineQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Updated PFAI list http://www.pfai.ie/news/282-pfai-transfer-list
no one is getting excited about the usage of the word, most just think its a strange one to use. You can either afford to pay for better players or you cant. I'll get paid tomorrow, thus have more money in my account, is it courageous if i go to the shop and buy something for myself?Quote:
Originally Posted by shellyriver
As for Rovers in Tallaght, Rovers have more then paid back what has been given to them or will do. Real Madrid, Juventus, FC Copenhagan, Spurs etc all played or will play in Tallaght Stadium. Plenty of cash has been put back into the local economy, the council receive a very healthy rent for their stadium too. If we could have held onto it we would have but unfortunatly we had idiots in charge at the time that gamble with cash we didnt have, were they courageous?
That's not updated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
The front page of their site says it was updated today.
Yes but it's not dated today and some of the players on it have since signed new contracts.
Again, the list is down to the players. if they tell the PFAI they want to be on the list, they're on it until they say otherwise
They update it to bring it "up to date" to the end of the preceeding week. ie up to last Friday close of business.Quote:
Originally Posted by dong
its been updated alright, Derek O'Brien wasn't on it last time around
John Frost has signed for Waterford :(
dont know if its been posted but Pat Flynn to shels is another i heard. Bit of a loose cannon but gives his all, would be a good signing for shels if true
The council did not open the stadium to turn a profit, they finished it off so as to provide a facility to be used by Shamrock Rovers and others clubs and other sports organisations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
After councils fund a new playground, do they charge all the kids 50p everytime they want to go in?
No, because playgrounds are also built to provide facilities for the locals to use!
;-)
Which is a nice little theory that doesn't mention that Rovers pay rent for every game there, as does every other event. Funding in councils for parks/recreation is different to commercial ventures. They have different reasons for building thingsQuote:
Originally Posted by Mario
Yeah, councils levy rates and rents and lots of other made-up charges on business-owners. There's nothing to say a council can't have a purely commercial venture to help raise funds.
i think at the end of the day the council owning the stadium has its pros and cons, we dont have to worry about the upkeep of the stadium and they will improve capacity if the demand is there, whats good for us is good for them after all. Little things like seat colours, which at the time was a bone of contention with hoops fans, can be a nuisance as we have no say, but over time noone actually cares anymore. If both parties work together it could be a great partnership which benefits both club and council. personally im just glad we have a home ground, owners or not, and can, as we have been doing, reestablish ourselves as the no.1 team in the country. Peolple on here can spout the usual 'Homeless crap' but 2 league titles, All Ireland Title and Europa group stage, you think rovers fans give a hoop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Iarfhlaith Davoran on trial at Hibs apparently? I wouldn't have predicted that.
Eddie Gormley to Dundalk as manager. In independent that he is now front runner. ****ing hell.
No suprise to people who go to The Showgies regularly Charlie, I'd say. Been fantastic for us in the last couple of seasons and his game has improved alot since he came to us. People always said Stevens was best left full in the league, but I always thought Dav wasnt far behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Fenlon was saying he impressed in a friendly against a Celtic selection.Quote:
Originally Posted by redobit
He's out of contract presumably? Since I'm on this thread, the only rumours regarding LTFC that I've heard are Karl Bermingham and Alan Kirby possibly heading our way. Would love to see Kirby back.