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Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Don't forget damned inbetween as well, Stu... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
A question. I know that for the earlier rounds if an unseeded team beats a seeded team then it gets to keep the co-efficients of the team that have beaten (for a few earlier rds). But if they actually get further into the rounds and make a group stage do they get to still keep the beaten teams co-effs or do they revert back to their original co-effs??????
They only 'keep' the co-efficient for the next draw. And it only applies to draws done before the round is finalised
For example the draws for Europa League Round 1 and 2 were done together so if a seeded team is beaten by an unseeded team in Rd 1, it could face a lower seed in rd 2.
The draw for round 3 is held before Rd 2 is finalised so the same principle applies
The draw for round 4 (the play offs) is done after round 3 so everybody uses their own co-eff.
There may be another side to this story, but Pete Mahon is well annoyed with Shamrock Rovers for refusing to move Sunday's league meeting back to Monday.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...y-2806384.html
Rovers were happy to get UCD's co-operation on postponing a fixture during their Euro run last season, but appear none to eager to provide any sort of co-operation to others.
Thats some rant by Mahon. The rant of a man who has never won a senior trophy.
Hardly a rant. He answered some questions.
He was probably ****ed off that MON was in Friday's paper talking about how he wanted the upcoming Rovers/Drogheda game to be cancelled to help their euro preparations
Apparently Rovers background staff happy to have the game on Monday as it wouldn't clash with Dublin hurlers in some final or other, but MON wouldn't agree to it. The 2pm kick off is because of the hurling apparently
Mahon is right (as usual). Shams want the FAI and other clubs to help them out with fixtures when in Europe, but have no interest in doing same for other clubs themselves
Why deflect the question raised by trying to castigate Mahon? Perhaps because it is as petty minded by Rovers as it appears from what Mahon said?Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
In any case Mahon and Gill are the obvious management team of the year taking St Pats to the top of the table with a modest squad.
Of course its a rant. Childish at that. He says he sees Sligo as a bigger threat, So Pats and Sligo are going to be fighting it out? Regardless of the results the other night we will be the team to beat at the end. If Mahon thinks its going to be a Sligo Pats battle hes deluded. Sunday will be Pats first real test as league challengers and hes whinging already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Because its a trait hes had down the years, once he gets a team to a good positon his default setting is to give the reasons his team might lose or not win silverware.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
No, he said Sligo was the best team in the league. He never mentioned anything about Pats being in a title race. He's praised Rovers as well this season ("best squad" etc). its pretty clear he sees Rovers and Sligo as the two favourites for the leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
Not once has Pete talked about Pats winning the league, but continue to feel like every comment made is a direct insult to your club
Any Hoops fans care to tell us why the refusal to co-operate with St Pats request to put the match back 24 hours?
Because Pats are 2 points ahead in the league and we are playing them.
Its not really rocket science.
So you dont think the in a game between Pats and Rovers that saying, I think Sligo are a better team is odd or in any way relevant, other than a way to have a pop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
He was asked about Rovers losing in Sligo, so he answered that he thinks Sligo are the best team in the country. What is he supposed to say "yeah, shocking defeat for Rovers, Sligo are brutal"Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
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Originally Posted by hoops1
So do you think MON is deluded? He clearly think St Pats are a danger to Shams league title ambitions
Bad form, even Rovers fans will agree with that i'd say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
We played Juve away on the Thursday in terrible conditions and then Beat Bohs 3-0 on the Sunday. So why should we change for Pats.
I think the problem is, MON was in the papers only last week saying your game against Drogheda should be postponed after the Champions league game but he has no problem with our game going ahead 2 days after we get back from IcelandQuote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
The only problem with it for me is that I mightn't be able to get off work, Top of the table clash, You always want to try get any advantage you can
Why was O'Neill talking about getting your game with Drogheda postponed to help with your euro preparations?Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
for the record I don't think League games should be postponed unless its for trips to the likes of Kazakhstan. Sunday evening/Monday evening are fine with me.
Can you not see a difference between helping a club prepare for Europe(not in comp with LOI teams) and helping them when return(in comp with LOI Teams).
Because its fair play .... Its not rocket science ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
Em well we have the second leg on the following Thursday so a postponement would help us prepare for that:)Quote:
Originally Posted by hoops1
After his Derry have to beat Rovers nonsense earlier in the season, I don't think anyone takes Moany Pete seriously..
Ah you're right yeah, I wish we had a manager like Michael O'Neill................. yeah rightQuote:
Originally Posted by dfx-
Not at all. We played Bohs in a crunch game, later in the season, having to charter a flight back from Italy leaving straight after the final whistle on a Thursday night. That was a morning/afternoon game too, as are all our Sunday game that I can think of off the top of my head. It was very good of UCD to agree to move our game to help preparations last time, and it'd be great if Drogheda did the same this year. No-one could have expected Bohs to help us out for no reason last year, and I wouldn't expect UCD to have facilitated a fixture for Drogheda or Galway if it was a vital relegation clash. Can you see a situation where Man Utd agree to postpone a game on Sunday because Liverpool have a Europa League game on the Thursday?Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
Perhaps we should just lose the match in the spirit of total co-operation. Actually on current performances that'll probably happen anyway.
And if yous could get a few suspended for your game against Derry aswell, that would be nice
Ah yeah, get the excuses in early ;)
You're saying Pats can't play 2 games a week anymore?Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
No chance of that happening, as Mahon plays for a point against us. It's got him 3 draws in the past 12 months, and a penalty kick away from another. He hasn't won against us over 90 minutes for well over 12 months, but as long as he gets a point, he's happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Instead of moaning about his fixture list, he should be grateful Pats got into Europe through the back door. But no, that's not enough for him.
pats wanted to play Rovers this weekQuote:
Originally Posted by mypost
He hee. The irony of a Rovers fan complaining about negative tactics. You'll be moaning about 5 in the middle nextQuote:
No chance of that happening, as Mahon plays for a point against us.
in Mahon v O'Neill games it's 2-4 in wins? Hardly a landslide. 12 months indeedQuote:
It's got him 3 draws in the past 12 months, and a penalty kick away from another. He hasn't won against us over 90 minutes for well over 12 months, but as long as he gets a point, he's happy.
Instead of moaning about his fixture list, he should be grateful Pats got into Europe through the back door. But no, that's not enough for him.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. They wanted to play us next week, forgetting that it's Pats' own European campaign that has rearranged the fixture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Since he last won, he's drawn 3 and lost 5. That's what happens when he sets out his stall for a draw. But if he wants to keep doing it, we'll be happy to keep up our recent record. For many years, the reverse happened.Quote:
In Mahon v O'Neill games it's 2-4 in wins? Hardly a landslide. 12 months indeed
And you're forgetting taht your original post was about pats not wanting to play 2 games in a week, which is still the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Good luck to Pats on Thursday, they're on a great run, hopefully they can get through the 1st round anyway.
Rovers strength in depth should eventually tell in the title race but they're making heavy weather of it.
Pats 2st leg in Iceland to be streamed here. £8 (sterling) apparently for those interested
http://www.sporttv.is/frettir/
bargain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
The original post was about what PartySaint and your coach are saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I think the saints are a bit hard done by when they did Dundalk a favour last year. At the same time, my understanding is that Shamrock Rovers European strategy is games on Wednesday-Saturday-Wednesday-Saturday. On the same basis, Pat's should be able to play Thursday-Sunday-Thursday-Sunday. Teams across the water generally seem to play games on a Saturday after Wednesday or Sunday after Thursday. LoI fixtures have to be played. Part of being in Europe is that it's something that has to be coped with. At least Pat's get more days to prepare for the second-leg.
Is getting to the 3rd qualifying round a fair barometer for judging the performance of all Irish clubs in Europe? It's great the league was in a position that the cup winner could get forwarded straight to that round. When a look is given on the list of teams in each round, it's the 3rd round where potential big games start to come up. The majority of Irish clubs should be able to make the 3rd round of their respective competitions.
If we get to CLQ3, we get two shots at making a European group stage. Then the anti-LOI ignorants might start paying attention to this league, and what it has to offer.