Had a look at it today looked from where i was that it was about 75% covered now.
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Had a look at it today looked from where i was that it was about 75% covered now.
Here's the link to the Planning Application:
http://www.limerickcity.ie/ePlan/Fil...141&LASiteID=0
Looks like the large drawings aren't scanned properly though!
Judging by the plans just submitted to the Limerick City Council I'd imagine there will be a raft of objections based on how incredibly s**t and sub standard the whole thing is. I'm just hoping it's just phase 1 of many phases.Quote:
Originally Posted by blueblood
Can you object though just because you think it's a crap plan?Quote:
Originally Posted by 4tothefloor
It should be noted that this is all out of Limerick FC's hands, its the LEDP's affair.
The maximum attendance going by the plans are smaller then crowds we got last season. The whole thing is horrendous tbh
Wasn't it said that the estimate is 2,700? We averaged out around 1,200 by seasons end and to be honest next season we'd be doing very well to hit 2,700.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
I still can't view those files though and tried downloading Internet Explorer and DjVu to do it but supposedly Internet Explorer isn't supported anymore.
We wont be there next season anyway but what if we manage to put together a run for europe or better still a title challenge ? We could easily get higher then that then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
Would be mad if we ended up having more demand than space but if it were to happen is there not scope there to add more stands or turn the terraced area into a seated stand when the time comes? Or build a stand like Sligo have done behind the other goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Maybe the LEDP said to themselves that there was no way they were putting money into building stands to have them empty. The crowds we got in Thomond may have helped sway them towards a more conservative ground.
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Originally Posted by Jofspring
LEDP have said they wont be adding any more anyway so it would be on us if they would even let us.
Its not just the capacity the plans themselves are horrible a smaller stand built next to the current stand on one side will look ridiculous. The stand behind the goal is not much bigger then the one in Jackman and looks a good distance away from the pitch. The placing of the terrace behind the other goal is baffling too.
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This was put on facebook by someone else. Will have to save it to be able to get a proper view id say.
Going by that it looks like a bigger version of Jackman Park. The stand behind the goal looks tiny. Going by those drawings the stand is pretty much the same width as the 6 yard box :confused:. They should either go full length of the end line with the stand or forget about it.
If you take Limerick FC's plans and just simplified them i.e take out the stands behind the goals and just have them on either side of the pitch it would still be a huge improvement on that.
Did they get any input from people involved with the club or involved with any sport for that matter. I'm sure Munster will get a good giggle looking at the plans. Even Musgrave Park is light years a head of that.
I wonder how the LEDP feel about the fans reaction to the plans. We may not own it but if the one main group that are set to use it don't like it how is it going to attract more people in?
Now you see what i meant by horrendous haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
I wouldn't even call that horrendous, it's just patethic
Wouldn't you prefer to have demand for space than a half empty stadium though?Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
If you get to Europe, rent out Thomond again. There isn't any rugby in July.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
If you're selling the place out every week, even the most conservative bank in Ireland would still lend you the money for an expansion, if LEDP themselves didn't see fit to back it.
I think 2,700 capacity is just about right. I'd rather be in a packed ground than a near empty one. As someone old enough to remember matches in the Markets Field I can tell ye one thing I didn't see it full all that often. The season we won the league you could have counted the spectators at the first few home games without much trouble. In the last 30 years how many times have we had gates of 3000+ at home games? Maybe 4 or 5 I'd guess.
Limerick only broke 2,700 three times the whole season past. All three games were within the first four of the season. Two of them were only at the 3,000 mark too. 2,700 is comfortably big enough considering the next highest gate in Thomond was 1,862.
The maximum attendance is actually the smallest problem i have with the plans.
Dont mind the capacity its an issue but not the main one.
Look at the plans just look at them!!
It boggles the mind that you could build a new build thats only a category 2, that has just over a thousand covered seats for home fans (and by the looks of things those of you in the first five rows will get wet), thats inferior to Tallaght, Terryland and Turners Cross.
Uncovered five step terracing?? Its like something a local gaa club would get built.
Small time with a capital small.
Someone summed it up earlier today, when its finished itll be the fourth best ground in munster to watch football in.
I do agree, the plans looks very, very amateur. I'd be absolutely p!ssed off too if Harps plans suddenly changed to something like that, after such fantastic initial plans.
They reek of GAA club mentality, and shows a huge lack of ambition from the LEDP.
If you're going to build a stadium, do it properly. Two stands either side of the field, both of 1,500 capacity should be ambition.
At very least, keep the existing 900 seat plan for the stand in place with a 1,500 stand on the other side of the field. Terracing either side of the current grandstand is the final piece of the jigsaw. No need for anything else. Complicating things and sticking in stupid small stands will look awful.
That's sort of it. The mentality the plans demonstrate. It could be a lot better, and not just for Limerick FC (if primarily).
And I don't mean 8'000 seater of course, just something that you could put on a par with Turners Cross or some of the stadiums in Dublin. I think Limerick City deserves an association football ground that stands out.
Isn't it up to Limerick FC to convince LEDP not to downgrade the plans?
Few others will be doing it. I hope that the people at the top level of the club will try some convincing, though they can't do that publicly of course. If the LEDP want to maybe outline in some fashion why the plans have been downgraded exactly, what budgetary constraints they are choosing to operate under, I think it would be helpful.
There is, of course, an element of respect needed for all of this, considering the circumstances of how Limerick FC are getting this ground, but that doesn't mean criticism of the plans should be curtailed if they are valid.
Its up to Limerick FC to teach Keith Wood basic common sense??
Im not being defensive there Im just genuinely baffled. Like how do you even go about trying to reason with anyone who puts that plan together in the year 2013 and thinks "that'll do the finest".
The club wrote a letter of support according to the ceo in tonights Leader. :bulgy:
There better be a bigger picture none of us are seeing!!
I haven't read the application to be honest - I couldn't get it to work but I'll take your word it's a joke. My point is what NeverFeltBetter said - nobody else is going to convince LEDP, so it's Lims or nobody.
Am I not right in saying that LEDP's budget was decided by the donation made by JP McManus, in which case the only reason for downsizing is that they hadn't done their sums correctly to begin with?
I dont get this side of it either.Quote:
I hope that the If the LEDP want to maybe outline in some fashion why the plans have been downgraded exactly, what budgetary constraints they are choosing to operate under, I think it would be helpful.
If the issue is the budget forget the two 300 seats stands and stepping the rest of the ground just slap up an Athlone Town stand on the popular side and tidy the place!!
Common sense surely??
Plan just looks like a masive brainfart
Well balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Will this actually be ready for Kick Off?
I doubt it, maybe mid-season.
There is no indication whatsoever when it will even start let alone finish.
I haven't seen the new plans because the links wouldn't work for me... Can anyone give a quick summary?
It will be disappointing if it is as bad as people are saying, but is it possible that its being done in phases or is it just going to be the one development and that's that, no more room for expansion?
I've been to Turners Cross hundreds of times, and while it has its own problems, there's usually a fairly decent atmosphere and it's comfortable enough to watch a game too.
Similar to what ltid said, don't waste money and effort on mini terraces and stands. They'll be in the way later anyway if there is any success and proper facilities need to be built.
http://www.ledp.ie/featured/opportun...november-20th/
If anyone is interested, not sure how much of a Q&A this would be, especially to those outside the immediate area.
The link to the plugin on the Council website leads to a non-existent page.Quote:
Originally Posted by redron
Here's a link to some DjVu plugins and viewers, if you want to view the files:
http://djvu.org/resources/
I used the first one.
Someone should probably tell them in the planning office that the large drawings aren't scanned properly!
The description of the event suggests to me that it's not actually a public meeting, where a presentation is made to an assembly with a questions and answers session. Rather, it seems to be that you will be able to view the drawings on display and then questions can be put on a one-to-one basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
Just to say, thankfully my fears were baseless and there was a group discussion at the meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by redron
But I'm no happier about the plans than I was beforehand. There were no major objections raised by any of the local residents present.
Hi lads the supporters club will meet on Monday coming in the rooms overhead the still house on Thomas st at 8pm. All are invited for a chat, and to view the plans for the markets field. General discussion and so on. All welcome
The large drawings have been re-scanned and are online since this morning (so now you can actually view the full drawings):Quote:
Originally Posted by redron
http://www.limerickcity.ie/ePlan/Fil...141&LASiteID=0
Final date for submissions about the planning application is 9 december.