Sorry to hear about the problems at Galway Utd. For me it was a handy away trip and another club on the western side of the country. Disappointed for the genuine fans.
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Sorry to hear about the problems at Galway Utd. For me it was a handy away trip and another club on the western side of the country. Disappointed for the genuine fans.
Who's the biggest club in Galway now? Salthill?
I find it funny how Galway are looking to blame the fai for their demise when it's all their own fault.
i dont find it funny, but i do agree that galway have no one to blame but those running their club
Agreement had been reached with both the footballing creditors one of whom was waiting for the cheque that was lodged to his account to clear (he had emailed this to the Fai) and the 2nd wanted to confirm the agreement with his solicitor today.
The tax situation was that we owed 11,500 of an original bill of 100,000 that we had paid off over the last 18th monts.Verbal agreement was agreed with our auditors on Thursday and the revenue came back looking for 3 conditions which we sorted on friday but the man with the final say wasnt in work on Thursday and Friday and we only got written confirmation today.
This is just to let the people know the exact details.I am absolutely gutted after 35 years of supporting and working for the club that it has come to this. We are appealing but im sickened . Ive had 40 fans young and old ringing me personally distraught and saying this is the end of LOI football for Galway.
On the Limerick situation i'd be interested to know what they mean. If Pat O Sullivan says the funds for running the club are secure is that good enough or what are they looking for?[/QUOTE]
I think the likes of directors have to sign "letters of comfort" that what they commit to will not be withdrawn...like arkaga. This is the difference between limerick and galway tonight. Limerick just need confirmation of submitted documents. Galway while supplying all the details right up to deadline, including emails regarding agreements with revenue. The boss at the revenue office seems to have been on leave thursday and friday so they couldnt issue the letter although they could confirm they were accepting of a deal. The Licence office was kept informed email by email of the conversation between gufc auditors and revenue. So whatever we get off revenue this week will be beyond dates required for licence and cant be admitted in appeal. And if what they had wasnt enough on saturday its an uphill technical struggle.
To see the licence application with 98% of the boxes passed for premier licence and see one in red is absolutely gut wrenching. Appeal in but I fear the decision has passed..The club is at fault no doubt but considering what we were left with and having being kept out of the detailed affairs of the club until the 2nd of february the supporters have been punished probably the harshest in my 35 years of following the League
If that is the case, and the revenue can confirm the reason for the hold up, I think you might stillget through on appeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
We are not allowed to bring any new evidence to the appeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Would you have not already have supplied confirmation from the Revenue that the person needed to sign the letter was on leave?Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
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...the supporters have been punished probably the harshest in my 35 years of following the League[/QUOTE]
Hard to disagree with that, especially when the GUST has only been on board for a couple of weeks... It will be an absolute disaster if Galway end up in the 'A' Championship, IMHO. Worst comes to the worst, they should be in the First.
Donie
Or in the First division either. Won't Mervue be using their own ground this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Red4Eva
Knowing the FAI as I do (a little, or more particularly contact I know others have had) if they made the decision to turn down the application they won't be going back on it. They'll say blame Leeson et al for not getting out earlier. They'll have about four or five emails on file showing that they told Galway what they had to have in and when.
Yes. Fahy's Field.Quote:
Originally Posted by paudie
Limerick have signed that letter long long ago, John boy is looking for something other clubs would never be asked for. Now dont get me wrong maybe the fai have lost all our financial documentation, maybe like you never know ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer
I'm holding out hope that the letter from Revenue will not be regarded as new evidence, but merely officil confirmation of the email correspondence, which would be allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
My concern is the outstanding creditor, if nothing was included in the application that agreement had been reached pending ratification from the creditor's solicitor, then we're goosed
There's not a hope this will be overturned. As others have said, if there was a chance you'd have been given a conditional licence so that the board could say that you fulfilled their criteria on review
If they overturn their own ruling they are admitting they were wrong in the first place
Will he? Hasn't he another 2 years left in his contract? Can't see him walking away unless he gets a pay off...it's not as if there'll be many clubs lining up to give him a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufc2000
For the league as a whole it's disappointing to see Galway United in the situation they now find themselves in . League needs a side like Galway in it imo, just like sides from other areas like Derry etc to make it a proper league of Ireland.
Could they even afford to honour his contract? I don't know what the funding is like in the A Champ but I'd say his wages would be far to high for the kinda budget they'd be working with.
Anything that was in any way pending or subject to ratification is enough reason for them to turn you down. We've been in a similar situation a few years ago and they wouldn't give us any leeway. Luckily we managed to pull everything together in time, and the players cooperated and signed an unconditional agreement which satisfied the FAI.
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Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
Karl Sheppard's view: "Time to have my say on Galway United........I think it would be awful if they werent in the league really would, even tho the support hasnt been great as of the last 2-3 years they still are one of the biggest clubs in Ireland as an ex player I did have a feeling that this could have happened due to the fact that crowds are so low and Players who are earning buttons have to take wage deferrals, If I know the Galway fans alot will be just complaining and blaming Fai or others, some fans will be doing there all for a successful appeal, this is a Time where hopefully they all realize this could be what they need, if they all pull together and have a successful appeal and get the fans back in and This could be the scare they need to realise the club could end if crowds dont improve and the club isnt run properly I will end my rant on this I hope they stay up as I really Loved 99% of my time at Galway."
(From his twitter)
i know at least 100 regulars who are over 30years supporting united rarely missing a game.. The League of Ireland real fans....zapped with a licence technicality and a bad rotten virus
After 30 years, will they not stick around for the A Championship? 1 season there in front of 100 people and you come back up again.Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer
Monaghan finished ahead in the rankings. Rankings are made after the playoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
It's not a technicality, it's ye missing the deadline. It's harsh and horrible for the fans but you can't claim the rules haven't been broken, especially if one of the footballing debts wasn't met as claimed above.Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer
Edit: From the GUFC statement: The club will shortly be in possession of a Tax Clearance Certificate and are in the process of settling fully with one remaining football creditor.
This makes it sounds like ye simply didnt get stuff sorted in time
Jaysus, we've had many a game in the 1st Division in front of 100 people and still lived to tell the taleQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
After a year down in the First I'd assume you realise that there are two Galway clubs playing LoI football at the momentQuote:
Originally Posted by sheao
Not trying to stir things here, but if you knew the player was going to wait until a cheque had cleared, why didn't Galway give him a bank draft - there would have be no waiting on anything to clear then? It doesn't matter that he emailed the FAI saying that he was waiting on the cheque to clear, he was basically saying I'm still owed the money until the bank tells me it's in my account.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
Although I feel sorry for Galway, they left it to the very last minute to sort these things out. It's a typical Irish thing though - sure deadlines don't matter. Look what happened Portadown in the Irish League a couple of years ago - there documentation was something like an hour late in being delivered to the IFA and it was just disregarded. Irish people just think "ah sure it'll be alright" when submitting documents with deadlines.
I thought Galway would win the appeal until i read their statement. Basically said, "look its nearly ready"
I think it depends very much on whether or not the FAI want to give Galway some leeway - letter from Revenue RE delay and correspondance from player concerned (as reported earlierin thread) may allow them some fudge room.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
But while that is the solution it is also a problem as many (especially on here) will castigate them for not applying own rules and highlighting how "once again" FAI dont uphold licencing process.
Genuinely wish Galway all the best with appeal though especially for long suffering fans :(
At least try and get some facts right - Bohs told players at the end of the season they were no longer able to honour contracts (at the time they wee fully paid to date). Unlike Sporting Fingal most recently (and other clubs previously) Bohs sought to reach agreement with the players rather than walk away. In mid December with less than one months pay owed the players were offered 14 weeks pay (according to their rep) two players initiated court action and attaching pubicity that followed, not the club. Agreement was reached around contract commitments and nobody "laid off". This is much more than Brian Shelley was accorded at a previous club where he is still waiting for wages due in 2005 !Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario
As regards the "employment laws" you refer to I am at a complete loss - club replaces players with cheaper players ????? If that is an "offence" there is not a club in the land not guilty.The fact is, of course, there is nothing illegal about it (nor against any football rules).
Apoligies for the club signing players for 2011 - I appreciate we should have played the season with only four/five players.
Now unless there are some more similar "points of discussion" lets get back to the real issue of Galways predictiment.
just for the record it absolutely is illegal to make a person redundant and then replace them with someone on less money.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
For people on contract it might be different, and football is iffy at the best of times.
In the real world though employers can't make someone redundant and replace them with cheaper labour
Yeah, it basically means you've sacked them, and you'd better have a damned good reason for it. That's also why Bohs had to honour the contracts given out - you can't make a footballer redundant because you make a position redundant, not a person.
Obviously once their contract has expired, you can choose not to offer a new contract and get in a cheaper player, but that's a different thing entirely.
posts can be declared redundant if terms and conditions change and new terms are not acceptable to the employee so you can change a players terms under labour law and if it is not acceptable to the player they can seek to be made redundant (either by the employer or via Employment Appeals Tribunal).Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
As regards Dodge's point, it is NOT illegal - see Irish Ferries and Aer Lingus as two high profile cases where the scenario you say is illegal actually happened - in the latter case the Dept of Enterprise, Trade and Employment (as was) confirmed it was allowable (there are numerous similar cases throughout the country).
Above is in the context of labour law as it currently stands on the matter (Redundancy Payments Acts) matters under contract law are somewhat different.
Out of interest how would those laws hold up if all players were replaced with amateurs?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Yep licensing is about having credit facilitiesQuote:
Originally Posted by btid1
In name only. Don't be fooled none of the FAI formed "independent" bodies areQuote:
Originally Posted by Mario
Genuinely don't know. Doesn't usually arise in regular work, but football is different of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by de bowez
But you're not making a post redundant by letting one footballer go and hiring another, so that's irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
original player is made redundant (in circumstances outlined) as occured to employees in Aer Lingus and Irish Ferries (among many) - ie employment was terminated by way of redundancy - and replaced by new (in some cases same) employee.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Only difference with football players is issues around contract which are seperate to redundancy legislation (most of which apply to all fixed term contracts) and of course the ability to prevent club renewing licence, which is, of course, an FAI rule with no basis in law.
You're ignoring the vital distinction between a post and a person. If Bohs could make footballers redundant, they'd have done that, given them statutory redundancy (nil for less than two years' service) and hired new players. They had to try buy out the contracts because they legally could not make the players redundant.
Wrong Stu. they had to buy out the contracts because (a) players could have sued for breach of contract (completely seperate to Redundancy legislation) and/or (b) failure to reach agreement would have precluded Bohs from getting a licence.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
In cases quoted staff were made redundant (under the terms of the Redundancy legislation) and their posts filled at lower terms and conditions - in some cases by the employees declared redundant (especially Aer Lingus) - i think the logic is that the former post(s) are redundant but the new revised posts (with new T&C) are in fact new posts.
This is a realitively new development and the tax free staus of the redundancy payment has been questioned by Revenue in the Aer Lingus case. It does run contrary to the idea that posts and not people are made redundant and has arisen as a result of agreements between employers and trade unions (SIPTU in both cases quoted).
It would be interesting to see what the adjudication would be were these cases appealed to the Employment Appeals Tribunal (the arbitrors of matters under the Redundancy Acts) but at the moment these high profile examples have been used as a benchmark in many other companies.
I am personally aware of one Dublin based LOI club that offered to make staff (non playing) redundant and re hire them on lesser terms (during the close season).
bloody hell lads galway are in thre **** at least let them have a thread of there own ,