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Considering the attitude of Jonathan Roche after the game the other night I don't think this is very likely.This coupled with Michael O'Neill's attempt to blame the whole thing on the stewarding of the game leads me to believe that a tolerance of this behaviour runs right throgh the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
I have to say from the interviews I got that same feeling myselfQuote:
Originally Posted by btid1
Stewarding was about 88.5% at fault..or lack of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by btid1
I take it you were there? If Pats feel they can't afford the stewarding, they could've asked to forfeit home advantage.
What attitude?.The chap is asked to explain events that occured that are out of his hands.An away game should for him be a night off but because of pitch invaders who should know better and an at best amateur policing/stewarding of the match he is put in an impossible position.Quote:
Originally Posted by btid1
Where was Pats security officer or Joe McGlue?-It was their gig after all!Why didn't they face the barage of questions from liars such as Philip Quinn and his constant referal to "glass bottles thrown"?FFS the situation is unsavoury enough without a LOI journo inserting blatant lies into the equation.
Other fans can type all the want on here,among other sites and try and get their pound of flesh(the laughable LOI section on bohs website,willing Rovers fans to be blamed as reports were coming in,dismissing any Pats involvement in a case in point),but anyone who was present on Tuesday can see that the gards and stewards are a disgrace with no plan B in place and whos whole plan A is to saturate an area with bodies,usually in the wrong place,all the time controlled by fools with supposed training from ,"Collegues across the water".
Absolute horse-****e as policing football in britain is light years ahead of here. Stewarding is a parallel universe compared to the 40 euro backhand,untrained merchants we get.To refer to them as bouncers is an insult to bouncers.
Granted Rovers fans shouldn't have entered the field of play
Granted -A section of these fans once on the pitch shouldn't have crossed the halfway line and try to confront Pats fans,but once the first instance happened the second was inevitable-Just as it was when Pats fans did something similar last season.
This situation occurs 10-20 times a season in Britain.The police and stewards are trained for such events and are able to adapt in real time.They expect this to happen in cup games/play off semis etc and usually a corden of stewards will be formed on the half way line to prevent possible confrontation.It usually works-It won't work when amateur pot bellied friends of friend are handed a bib and are paid to que up for chips all the while waiting for the final whistle so they can wrap up their rain-coat and spend their hard earned cash in the nearest boozer
No-one believed Rovers fans when we said Dundalks stewards were inadequete either.They were fined for it just as Pats will be along with us obviously.
I'll eagerly await the fans of clubs with little or no fans explaining if Rovers fans didnt invade..............etc.Its football-it happens.It shouldn't but it does and the so-called professionals are paid to deal with it-Not stand by and let in happen or worse still create the problem
While I'd agree fully that there's serious issues with both policing and stewarding at games it doesn't excuse the behaviour of a minority of idiots and despite the fact that this wasn't a particularly serious incident it's the coverage that it get's that's very likely to put off families and casual observers attending games. There has been a few obvious incidents of shambolic stewarding this season, none more so than the complete inaction of the stewards in Tallaght to the idiot confronting Gary Rodgers on the pitch.
It's tough to get people to steward games, I don't imagine any volunteer stewards want to get involved in any kind of confrontation, they just want to watch the crowd maybe catch some of the game and go home with a few euros if they're lucky, if they see the potential for physical violence they definitely won't want to be there. Handing security over to private firms is an additional cost and is likely to result in heavy handed stewarding as they're much more prepared to get physical.
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Originally Posted by btid1
True or not, that is the feeling that you get.
No need for them to get physical, pi..
A line of stewards at the Pats end at the final whistle following the "Stewards to end of match positions" announcement would've stopped it. Not the 4 stewards who were caught in the middle.
And the fact that it is invariably Shamrock Rovers FC that are involved with incidents like this at games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Model Club
I know,a large away support does have some disadvantages but I am sure amateur set-ups unable to deal with them will learn in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedendinvisibl
Yes. Because Rovers are the only club that ever bring a big away support anywhere.. makes perfect sense.
I agree with our first paragraph but re. volunteer stewards-What good are they if all they are doing is filling a rain-coat so the numbers match the directives.They either know what they have to do and are prepared to do it or they arn't.The fact that they choose to let the club keep the money they could have earned,while commendable is immaterial and in the long run only shows the FAI,the league,the gards,the security company's and the clubs to be small time and unprofessional.Quote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
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Originally Posted by Mr A
Thanks.Could you explain it to everyone else now:)
Derry used to bring a much bigger crowd to the showgrounds than shams, and yet heavy security was never needed for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Model Club
It's lucky Bohs had a full riot squad in place in Dalymount for the other semi, given the inevitability of bottle-throwing etc when there's a large travelling support.
Cant remember "heavy security" needed for us in the showgrounds either, in my time anyway.My first visit was 1990.20 years+ trouble free in sligo.Now if that doesn't deserve a pat on the back I don't know what does.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligo23
typical - excuse, excuses, excuses.
Get rid of your scumbags. There ye go, problem sorted.
Dublin derbys have a little more spice in them wouldn't you agree?Can't imagine the bohs angels being so sporting if Rovers/Pats/Shels were doing a victory jig in front of the shed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fivesilver
If its so easy why don't you're own club do something in that area.And I don't mean stopping innocent unaccompanied under 16's either.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I'm not offering excuses,I am simply unwilling to accept 100% of the blame in this issue.
Shams stewards stood and watched ONE fan get on the pitch in an attempt to attack Gary Rogers, (and continued to stand watching as the players stopped the scumbag in his tracks) yet the club have the cheek to moan about St Pats stewards being unable to control the hundreds of fans on the pitch in Inchicore
typical throw it back and deflect the points being made. Ive already pointed out what we have done earlier in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Model Club
You are offering excuses. Thats all you lot ever do. Deny deny deny, excuses after excuses.
Your club should at least try to do something instead of looking to offload blame and make it out to be a nothing incident. Pathetic.
But yeah, just keep throwing it back and making excuses. That'll stop it happening again.
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Originally Posted by Model Club
Are you willing to accept your club has a serious scum element? One the club clearly can't, or doesn't want to. control?
How much are the tickets ? I heard ?40, i wouldn't be suprised.
for the final? 10 euro apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran W
10 euro ? :o i doubt that very much, cant imagine the fai having the prices for a cup final cheaper then the prices for a league game
its just a rumour. they want to attract a good crowd to Lansdowne apparently. 5 euro for OAPs and students.
Dunno how true it is but clubs set ticket prices for league games. This is the FAI cup final, the FAI's gig, their call.
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Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
What has Rovers' stewarding got to do with whether the stewarding was at fault?
Why?? Because you say so? What can I do,except keep attending games and keeping my own nose clean.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
If I seem partizan about my club its simply counter-balancing the absolute garbage that comes from fans of other clubs mosy noticeably on here.
I get a giggle from people who didn't attend this or other matches where unsavoury scenes occur giving their broad 2 cents without accepting the specific circumstances of that event ieTrouble at Rovers match=Rovers are scum.
I don't know anyone of note calling this a "nothing incident".The fact we are still talking about it almost 48 hours later proves that.But it sure as feck isn't the ww3 scenario the papers,radio shows and by extent the sheep who swallow this s**t whole.This includes most of the posters on this thread not to mention overseas Rovers fans who have the Rovers fans who actually attended the game hung,drawn and quartered until those people actually arrive home to offer the truth.
As usual others counteract this over-hype with under-hype and **** posts like yours above posted from 4000 miles away are injected into a "debate".
I know what I saw.It wasn't right or even legal.It shouldn't happen.People will be banned.But sensentionalising it,ignoring glaring facts that contributed to the incident,all fitting nicely into yours and others anti Rovers agenda won't put me off putting my case forward as an actual witness to the incident
Two wrong don't make a right.Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
Am I not allowed to comment on bad stewarding because stewards in Tallaght,most likely the same group of stewards on duty on tuesday night,allowed a clown on the pitch and acted ridiculously slow in removing him?
My comments on stewarding are league-wide and if this incident happened in tallaght my post above would have been identical.
Rovers have people attached who enjoy trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
How serious it is is a matter of opinion I suppose.
Depending on who you listen to/read Rovers fans are either "green street wannabees" or rampaging thugs>I suppose its whatever arguement you lot are having at the time.
What do you suggest the club/Tallaght gardai do.Ban people who are actually caught involved in hooliganism or the ones who wear particular clothes or the ones who say they have been involved but no-ones actually seen him do anything.
its all over youtube FFS. I have seen it, i have read about it, i have read and heard of other eye-witness accounts from neutrals at the game including my brother. I have read accounts from YOUR OWN fans on YOUR OWN MB calling the actions of these 200 idiots pathetic. I have seen similar incidents in the past and i have been on the receiving end of such incidents in the past. Im not asking YOU personally to do something about it. I am asking your club to. But if you disagree with the actions of your "element" and think that something should be done then you should make it known. But your club clearly wont do anything about it. Roche didnt call it a nothing incident but his arrogant attitude to Inchicore and to the Oriel Park incidents in his interview (again, all over youtube) shows how much he cared about even beginning to correct it.
But what do i expect really? Your club has a convicted hooligan on its board. Your club has repeatedly failed to address similar incidents. The FAI has also allowed you to with nominal punishment.
But keep on making excuses and findind ways to deflect from the element at the core of your club. It wont do you or your club any favours in the long run. Model Club my arse.
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Originally Posted by SkStu
Som much wrong with your post its laughable.If you find Mr.Roches interview "arrogant" then so be it.I thought he looked genuinely upset and uncomfortable but arrogant,please!
I love your "convicted hooligan" jibe you lot like to bring up from time to time.Last time I checked you had to be found guilty to be convicted.Now if its former hooligans involved with clubs maybe you should look a little closer to home-Your "Event manager" I think is his title,was a very prominent BSC member not a million years ago but hey its not Rovers so no story.
Im sick repeating myself with you.I'm not deflecting anything.I am simply pointing out holes in your story and I absolutely won't accept your opinion as fact when you clearly have so many holes in your story.Don't worry Im don't blame you.Many even non-bohs fans who read your forum would simply fall for your half-truths as fact by form of osmosis if they read and belived tits like Peader and co. and their delusionary tales of how the fai love`rovers etc.
If Rovers are as bad as you say yet the FAI still regard us as the model club(again according to you) then what the f**k does that make you.
You think you know everything about Rovers but posts like that joke above prove you dont.Don,t worry others on here like to think they have the inside track on Rovers but they don't.
Finally you'inexplicable,irrational hatred for Rovers is starting ton become less so.You got a dig a few years ago and now you get your own back by spouting lies "judged" from second hand experience and youtube clips.
You just stick to "supporting" your tin pot club from another continent and leave Rovers to run themselves.Your mock warning for our "future"is truly heart-warming though-Thanks for that!
why are you turning everything back on Bohs? Or Pats? Or Security? Take a look at your own club FFS. Thats what im saying. You just dont get it. There are no holes in my story. My post is not a story. Its an opinion. Based on experience and common sense.
By the way - youre wrong. Heres the link
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/HOOPS+.....-a0148522933
I stand corrected on the conviction.I thought it was poor-box fine hence no conviction.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Handy of you to have close aswell..............:rolleyes:
I suppose you're the type that feels an opionion can never be wrong?
200 people=Wrong
Roche arrogant=Wrong
Why should I accept your blinkered version of your truth when I seen what happened.Why should SRFC take all the blame when other parties were also at fault.
I will back my club when they deserve it and point out facts as I saw them.
I wouldn't have the guile to pontificate to you,something that happened at say an ice-hockey match that you attended but I viewed on you tube.
I wouldn't let my irrational hatred of that ice hockey team cloud my judgement either.
If you continue to point out flaws in my club that your own club also have I will continue to point out those flaws.If you supported say Bray,I wouldnt have these flaws to point out to you and would respect your opinion-But you don't and I don't.
As mentioned previously 2 wrongs don't make a right,but I suggest you look closer to home before dragging my clubs problems up for scrutinisation just because its easy to do with with the audience on this site.
Sometimes things arn't as black and white as you would like them to be.Each situation has its own specific circumstances and rather than moan about rovers bashing on our forum I'd rather tackle it head on.
If you read through my posts you won't find any excuse for what happened.Reasons maybe-But to make an excuse is to condone what happened and I don't.
Settle petal
Got carried away in the moment and ran on the pitch myself, managed to clap a few players on the back and then calmy walked off. But anyone fan from either club who crossed the half way line or threw plastic bottles was a moron looking for trouble.
Exactly the same thing happened last year after Pats won but the stewarts and cops managed to hold the line and push the pats fans back before they got too close to the shed, but we were not able to hold the line on Tuesday and it got a bit out of hand and the press have blown it out of proportion.
I wonder how much of all this postering on the pitch bull**** is due to the Pats fans feeling undermined by not being in the shed anymore? They had an identity with the shed and the SEI and thats been lost now. I could be wrong but I dont remember any invasions by Rovers when we were in the west end!
shams have always had and will always have a scum following who will bring down the club, its been there for years and it is down to the club for get rid of this element. i have first hand experience of how bad rovers can be, a couple of seasons ago, i believe the first one after rovers were relegated they played there first game against athlone in st.mels and for the guards and the stewards to try and control the shams fans the main stand for home supports was reserved for rovers fans so that they could try and control the so called 'fans'!! that still didnt work, fans running onto the pitch in the middle of a game when they scored, a number of the 'scum' trying to get at the home fans during the game and a number arrested and brought away to try and keep the peace!
so how can you say its not there??? im an athlone fan, we generally dont have any fans who try and start trouble and any who did have been banned. i am telling you that rovers have a scum following who generally are looking for trouble but mainly only start trouble at away games where they are less likely to get caught and get a ban, what wud be the point of ****ting on your own door step in tallaght and then getting caught and banned??
cop yourself on, just coz its a bohs fan saying that your club have a problem doesnt mean you can deflect and throw things back at bohs, at least they admit they have an element who cause trouble and try to deal with it!!
I do believe you'll find that was all due to the bad stewarding by Athlone Town
Spot on, As I said earlier in the thread, all the 2 clubs can do now is try ban as many people they can who were on the pitch, more specifically involved in the troubleQuote:
Originally Posted by Model Club
Now Model club i am not being smart but do you honestly believe Rovers will do that? I would put a lot of money on that most of the people involved in the trouble in Oriel earlier on in the season were on the pitch on Tuesday night and have been in Tallaght many times since the Dundalk game, I know Pats will ban as many as they can because a lot of people have been banned in Richmond for a lot less over the last few years
TBH mate thats just ridiculousQuote:
I wonder how much of all this postering on the pitch bull**** is due to the Pats fans feeling undermined by not being in the shed anymore? They had an identity with the shed and the SEI and thats been lost now. I could be wrong but I dont remember any invasions by Rovers when we were in the west end!
I know for a fact people will be banned.Even if the club were in cahoots with hooligans as our friends in D7 will lead you to believe, and were willing to turn a blind eye the cops in Tallaght wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
I was at every away game that year and saw nothing of note in Mels.A massive crowd by first division standards and absolutely nothing negative.
There was no segregation though.