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Originally Posted by paul_oshea
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is that actually a sentence?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Are you travelling O Shea or watching it here?
watching it here but im down in the 'wharf tomorrow so im getting worried about getting back in time to watch it. im thinking i might head to mornington crescent to watch it....the sheephaven.
Are you around PG, in the well? If i thought i'd get back in time id head down, but cant guarantee it.
When have I had a go at the gaa??? I may have my criticisms of them, but to say I have a go is without reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
What I have posted above is true. From (numerous) personal experiences at both playing and attending gaa matches, I have seen plenty of over the top negative/bitter comments about football and foreign games. Genuinely, it is actually scary how intense such comments can be. For example, how often on a football tv/radio show do you hear the pundits/contributors proclaiming how great the sport is compared to gaa??? Never i suggest. I can name at least 4 instances in various (popular) programmes in this years championship alone. Forgive me but I hate such attitudes, everyone to their own sport, why the need to bring down another with general negative comments. Feel free to criticise if it is valid. Any critical comments I have ever made about the gaa or rugby I believe come under this category. Please bring me up on them if and when they are not.
And of course I am not naive or stupid enough to suggest that in rugby and football circles, they are not factions who do not speak too highly of the other. There is little doubt that many of the rugby crowd view the FAI as a nuisance. And in a sense, I can see their point of view.
what shackles? the IRFU and FAI have enjoyed an excellent relationship since the 70sQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
Tom Humphries drew a lot of criticism in the Irish Times letters page about his Ryder Cup (being just a load of marketing baloney) comments. One reader disgreed strongly, offering criticism of GAA and football which he says Humphries champions instead. I was tempted to point out in response that Humphries is equally dismissive of football.
How is Humphries dismissive of football?
The IRFU is the senior partner in that relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
There has been quite a bit of scorn in rugby circles in relation to the sales, or lack thereof, of Vantage Club tickets.
how on earth does this in any way "shackle" the IRFU??Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
The obsession with football across the water is mad alright. When you look at rugby, you don't see that big an interest in the Aviva Premiership. The FAI/LoI aren't doing much to address things though are they. Man United after all were welcomed to the Aviva!
Some of the English media (particularly the Conservative-supporting Telegraph papers) give disproportionate coverage to rugby union, which both reflects and encourages its reputation as a sport for the affluent.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
GR he is talking about irish interest here i think.
It doesn't but the perception amongst a lot of rugby folk is that the FAI are getting a sweet deal at far less expense.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
becoz the aviva premierships is terrible. anyone ever seen the defence :O interest in the magners league isnt even that big in ireland tbh.
It's pretty big, attendances for Munster and Leinster regularly top 15,000 each. The recent game between the two sides at the Aviva stadium set a new attendance record for the competition - 50,645Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
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Originally Posted by jbyrne
but you said this earlier...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
the IRFU would never have afforded the stadium on their own and the government would not have given such a grant as they did to the IRFU on their own. rugby has always looked down on football but they have benefited greatly from renting their stadium over the years and with the funding of the new one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
Well know for it in fact, read any of his books, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
He is a major gah head
Jinxy, he wrote a piece a few years back "50 reasons why GAA is better than football" and followed up after we lost at home to France with a really dismissive piece about Irish football and its supporters ("We're not going to South Africa and nobody will care"). He's categorically a GAA man first and foremost, Bennocelt is fully correct.
Rugby's elitism is the reason for the split in the sport and the creation of Rugby League. There always will be a touch of elitism with Rugby Union, just the way it is. If people have a problem with it but like rugby, they could take up rugby league!
Whatever people think about soccer, it is the global game. None of the other football codes have created it's amount of interest.
I was in Cork at the weekend, it's crazy a city like that can't generate more interest in their local team. Maybe with the right ownership moving forward the club will develop.
Then why are you arguing with me?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
That article was written in the context of how we like to perceive ourselves on the world stage i.e. worlds greatest fans, everyone loves the Irish etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
His point was that the world cup would manage just fine without us and by the time it came around Thierry Henrys handball would be a distant memory as far as the rest of the football world was concerned.
He didn't mean WE wouldn't care.
that wasnt always the case tho, further back he wasnt like that and was well into the "soccer". I think a few incidents turned him against it, which you don't really get in Gaa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
True enough.
discussing! you said the rugby crowd couldnt wait to get rid of the shakles the FAI tied them to. maybe you werent putting it forward as your own thoughts but thats how i read itQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
In fairness I phrased it badly but what I meant was the rugby fans viewed the IRFU as being 'shackled' to the FAI.
Now that doesn't make it true necessarily but it is a view that is quite widely held in my experience.
Most of the rugger heads I know would be south dublin based so they are the hardcore Ross O'Carroll-Kelly types in fairness.
Rugger heads are no more representative of the general rugby population as we are of the general barstooling population. The IRFU and FAI have a very good relationship that benefits both sides and sport on the island in general and long may it continue, no matter how upset it makes people on message boards.
Any idea how the TV viewing numbers (300k+ mentioned earlier) compares with, for example, a Man United or other English club game live on TV, or a Champions League game?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I don't know, have the ratings for this year's Champions League games been released yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
That Munster Leinster game was on TG4.
300k sounds a lot, considering the question - just how many Rugby fans would have been able to find this station on their tv?
Any idea what a Man United game would have got this time last year?
Looking at these tables, Man U v Bayern & v Barca attracted fewer viewers than an Ireland friendly.
Viewing figures
Rugby fans have more money and there's less games which helps its profile.
There are 13-14 rugby internationals a year...
They have 4 friendlies in a row coming up, maybe the IRFU are more desperate for funds.
What was usual in a season, 2 or 3 Six nations and 2 or 3 profile friendlies any time Australia/NZ /SA and now Argentina, would visit. In a WC year, you get a few more friendlies.
6 nations means 5 games Geysir!
I think the autumn internationals have always been 3 games, no?
WC year maybe means 4.
Except they're not all at home. And meant the sport in general, FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Also in the case of Ireland, being an all-island team helps, ;)
home games he means....autumn internationals have always been 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
You can't mean both "the sport in general" and "at home," unless you consider English Premier League matches to be "home"
I kinda assumed that ArdeeBhoy's reference to Rugby supporters - having more money and fewer games to attend, was in regards to home intl. games.
I wasn't paying attention to the context. My error.