Just got back, amazing!
Anyone know where you can get a recording of the game? I seem to remember someone putting up a link to enable a recording of the Bulgaria game away as I think RTE don't allow you to download it from England.
Just got back, amazing!
Anyone know where you can get a recording of the game? I seem to remember someone putting up a link to enable a recording of the Bulgaria game away as I think RTE don't allow you to download it from England.
Can't find the full game but, here's some highlights in the meantime.Quote:
Originally Posted by the doc
Just heard exactly what they said.
In between all the rubbish "shameful", "real Irish football people will be crying" and all that patronising ****** they're right in pointing out that the play lacks cohesion and retention.
But we are hard to play against when we don't have the ball. Italy game wasn't a great example as I think their ambitions were limited to doing just enough on the night.
We are very reliant on set pieces:
Georgia away - 2 goals from open play (one a keeper error)
Monty away - didn't score
Cyprus home - open play (Duff cross to Keane)
Georgia home - 2 set pieces
Bulgaria home - set piece
Italy away - open play, long ball from Given
Bulgaria away - set piece
Cyprus away - set piece & open play (Duff to Keane)
Italy home - 2 set pieces
So I think that's 12 goals, 7 from set-pieces.
Very simply what Dunphy fails to address is that we are obviously much better without the ball now - would we be as good without the ball with Reid in the team? Perfectly reasonablre question to ask but he avoids addressing it.
With Andy Reid we may pass it better and look better but would the open gate that our midfield used to be be evident again?
I think the educated consensus is that the structure has made us competitive again and we are good enough to nick goals in most games, even if they are from set pieces (not to be knocked - Mourinho and Martin O'Neill's Celtic were also disciplined teams with set piece reliance).
Calling anyone in this camp a "post-Charlton bandwagoner" is an insult. Calling for Carsley is just dumb. As Neil said Mark Lawrenson was spot on in today's Irish Times - it ain't pretty but it's working.
People can say we've been lucky in this campaign but we've only had Duff for what - 3 games, 4?? Steven Reid for 2, Stephen Finnan for 1 or 2...
while all this complaining about being over-reliant on set pieces is going on, I actually thought it was one of the areas Trapattoni has improved on massively. Despite the likes of Dunne and O'Shea to aim at. we haven't threatened from set pieces in some time.
Anyone know when S Reid and Finnan are likely to be back?
Didn't trap say in an interview quite some time ago now, that he said he would try and improve our set piece play and emphasised hte importance of good set piece play. At the time i took that to mean he basically thought we werent good enough to score from open play and the way he saw the team functioning to compensate not scoring from open play was to specialise in set pieces. Its something that is clearly evident, as could be seen with lawrence and whelan on the free kick. I watched that a few times and he almost hit it on the half volley, whether or not that is how he wanted it strcuk to him i dont know, i could only think and still do that it was a bad ball from lawrence, all the more a great strike from whelan!!
finnan played the full game in portsmouth's win at wolves. did he pick up another knowck since?
I think everyone if possible should watch the game again, particuarly the first half which we dominated. The ball was in the Italian half for most of the first half. They had only two genuine chances, a long range volley and the corner which led to the goal. Apart from that, they were pinned back as Ireland played attacking football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
It was the same in Bari, after the goal the Italians tried to shut up shop and Ireland dominated and were all over them.
I just don't understand how anyone after watching Saturday's match can claim it was a bad Irish performance when clearly on second or third watching it wasn't. The Italians hardly got any time on the ball,in the first half except for the goal. They were restricted to long range efforts such as Pirlo's freekick.
The great thing about this Irish team under Trap is it's gaining confidence with every match. The team's confidence was shattered during the previous two campaigns, and we were beginning to fear teams like Cyprus.
Now we are getting to the stage where we fear no-one. That's important for our flair players, like Duff, Hunt, McGeady, etc, who will feel confident getting at defenders.
Dunphy has an axe to grind, quelle surprise. They only thing which was a shambles about Saturday night was his usualy rambling bulls*it. It became laughable at one stage. Particularly when a woman texted in to say Trap wasn't taking his job seriously and was treating it as a part time job.
And Dunphy agreeing, showing he would agree with anything which shows Trap in a bad light. It's just utter tripe. Trap is one of the top managers in European club history. He is one of an exclusive club of players who have won the European cup as a manager and a player. He has won 6 Scuddetto, most at a time when Italian soccer was the top league in the world. He beat the all conquering Liverpool team of the 1980's in the European cup final.
It's laughable when you have clowns like Dunphy trying to make out Trap is not up to the job or not doing it right. Laughable, bizarre and stupid.
if dunphy didnt come out with his usual go at the manager(trap,mccarthy,kerr,jack) what other use would he be on the panel. cause he clearly cant analyse a game.
Tony O'Donoghue now reckons that Shay wanted to go up for that last set piece and Trap or Tardelli told him no way. If true then Shay was really off his rocker on Saturday
On George
Too much inner turmoil to really notice what George was saying after Ledger's goal but he sailed close to the wind in all the excitement, who could blame him this time.
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Originally Posted by geysir
Geysir was this on the radio news today?
I just hear it on rte around 5pm.
But don't depend on my hearing, my brains are still mush.
The camera close up of givens conceded goals were strange, he didnt look too despondent
I think Shay may have been disappointed that he did not keep out Camronaises(?) header.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I not saying he should have kept it out (it was travelling) but Shay may have thought he might have done.
Ya I was at the game and I seen Given running outside hes box roaring at the bench asking to go up. When I seen him at the half way line my heart nearly stopped. At that stage the 4th official was dragging Trappatoni off the pitch as he was shouting at Given to get back.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Also, did anyone find Trappatoni's reaction towards Alan Kelly after Italy's second goal a bit strange?
Trap aged 5 years in those 5 minutes.
I really enjoyed the game, but was left deflated after the result. Both the Italian goals were soft. Camoranesi was the smallest man on the pitch and he scored a header and the second goal was just shocking.
I don't feel as bad about the playoffs, but I can't help but think about how interesting a week it would have been had we beaten the Italians, especially with Cyprus hammering Bulgaria.
There is a torrrent hereQuote:
Originally Posted by the doc
http://www.footytorrents.co.uk/detai...eb42d3333a90d4
You will have to register.
(shame about the last few minutes, both goals were a bit soft, if our defenders got closer to people it could have been 2:0, easier said than done, obviously).
Thanks tried using it but it won't download!Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Are you using a torrent program such as utorrent or bitcomet?Quote:
Originally Posted by the doc
The site is down.
You can download the match in parts here:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NWEKXLY2
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XYC28KGN
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8MXU9XYY
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YAK720J2
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GM5QSUPV
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=B28QZEXD
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2EV1ZOYN
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GF1POTXI
My god I've read the entire thread and I cannot believe some of the comments on here. I know people are entitled to opinions and though I haven't heard Dunphy's analysis he is so very typical of what Ireland has become as a people. That sounds harsh but my god is there any pleasing some people. I can only recall the reign of Steve Staunton to recall my lowest ebb as a supporter of our wonderful country and I will cherish the memory and pride I felt on Saturday night and it will sustain me for a long time to come and thats only one managerial reign post the fiasco that was Staunton's reign. What exactly as Irish football fans do we want. We can critise Trapatoni's typical Italian style play of defensive football but any man that openly says he's disappointed in holding the current world champions to a draw is living in the clouds. My god would it be so hard to say we did very very well and we should be very proud indeed. I know my football and I have my feet firmly on the ground and I am a proud (and hoarse) Irishman and I am proud of what Giovanni Trappatoni has brought to this side.
For me in any football side I want any fella that lines out for my team, regardless of his standard or ability, to give it his all and be prepared to bust a gut for the cause. I admire Trappatoni's position on Andy Reid and I hope he never asks Ireland back into the squad however good he is. I have a feeling Trap won't offer the olive branch again either and Stephen Ireland will lose out and rue his decision. I'm sick of the argument about Reid. I've heard how great he is in the EPL and of his performance at Old Trafford. But I'm backing Trap on this one, his attitude from what I hear is all wrong and isn't improving greatly. Trappatoni is setting his managerial stamp here and anybody in that squad knows what he wants and is about. I'd sooner have that any day of the week.
The performance was a mixed bag, I'm not disappointed at all bar a few silly balls and poor tracking at times. I thought McGeady ran at them but doesn't have a finished product at all. I thought Whelan (however average a player people believe him to be) worked his socks off. I thought the defence was relatively commanding and for the first time ever I liked the look of John O'Shea. I couldn't fault Keane and Doyle's industry whatsoever however frustrating. Keane for me as he does, dipped in and out of the game but was a thorn in that Italian defenses side on many occasions. I admire and like players whom I can tell have given their all and for a brief 3 minutes I re-lived the feeling of sheer ectasy at McAteer's goal as far back as 2001 and it felt wonderful. The equaliser was cruel and it silenced me for quite a while afterward. I don't think the atmosphere at Croke Park is wonderful at all and the gound lacked that fortress element. Despite shouting my head off for 90 minutes I'd have wished there was more support around me.
I'm aware I've said very little of Dunphy. I do hope and pray that the same applies to Trappatoni and that he ignores him and doesn't rise to his comments. I've a feeling the language barrier might just work in our favour on this one. Besides Trappatoni to me is to wise and wily and experienced when it comes to handling himself and his critic's. I'm sure this is valuable experience he will also impart to this squad.
I do admit to dancing in the streets with Italian fans at 4 in the morning and I have to say despite the small numbers of us it felt great to be so proud of our boys and our country. As the Italians departed we belted out a few rounds of 'You'll never beat the Irish'. And its true. In two games the Italians, the World Champions haven't beat us. Then again nobody has beaten us competitively in this campaign. Sound familar to anybody? Positive football or negative football I'd sooner have this position that anything that preceded the hurt and shame of the previous campaign!
P.S Any chance of a recording of the game Tetsujin. Ya never let me down before?:D
My honest opinion at the game was that Italy controlled the ball way better than we did from the mid-point in the first half onwards. I think Bari was a different story altogether when we totally dominated posssession from about 25 minutes onwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
The key is that Italy were happy to play out their 1-1 draw for the most part. We tried hard but too often for my liking our attacks broke down early. We worked really hard and got the ball to the wide men a lot, but hardly once can I remember a midfielder advancing beyond half way with the ball and feeding a forward with a shortish pass.
I'm not complaining, just observing. The was merit in lots of what we did on Saturday but playing normal cohesive football through the middle (like we did for long periods in Bari) just didn't happen for most of the game. We attacked, but usually with direct balls.
All I'm trying to say is that strip out the nonsensical hyperbolic drivel from Dunphy, there's an element of accuracy in Giles' assertion that we didn't retain the ball well. This is what frustrated me during the game as I was watching it.
I will watch the game again when I get the chance though.
Where am I complaining? I'm delighted. I've been harping on for years how bad we've been from set pieces and how little credit O'Neill and Mourinho got for their teams being good from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I'm just pointing out that we have scored 5 from open play: from a cross in Mainz and a shot that was lucky to go in, from a Duff cross against Cyprus (home & away) and a long punt from Shay in Bari. I don't give hoot how we score but my objective critisism is that the team doesn't function properly creatively in the middle. Midfield shields the defence and gets the ball to our wide men. Add more ttraditional functionality to CM (like Whelan & Reid in Norway) to what Trap has already given us and I think we'll be a handful for a lot of good teams. I'm only saying that if the RTE panel put it this way instead of patronising any Irish fan under 50 and calling the performance shameful they'd have far more credibility.
It's not true to say we don't create from play.... If the Italian defenders weren't worried about our wingers creating something, why the hell did they foul them so often? Our two goals came from free kicks given away by worried defenders and it bit them in the ass. The reason we scored from set pieces is because the Italian defenders were too worried to actually let us try anything from play. We had lots of free kicks round the box and lots of corners too. We created plenty.
I had no problem with it and the site is not down, maybe you are unfamiliar with torrents? It seems to be working OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by the doc
Have to agree with Harpsbear on this one, Dunphy is a stocking, end of! Reminds me of the days of big jack, who was his worst critic at the time of our first taste of a big tournament, Dunphy! Can any of us deny what Charlton brought to us, a small country of limited resources? We really are getting above ourselves with some of this carry on!
Trap has organised us into an effective, hard working and harder to beat side, he deserves immense credit!
I agree fully. The starting point with any team is to be a solid unit. We are not there yet, but you can see clearly what Trap is trying to do with the two defensive midfielders. It makes total sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by theneutral
Might be misreading the tone of the posts, some seemed to be criticising the over-reliance on set pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
working on it, might take a day or twoQuote:
Originally Posted by Harpsbear
While at the game, I can remember noting how often McGeady receives the ball from a standing start as opposed to being picked out while on a run behind the full back in full flight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
This may sound trivial - but nicking that extra yard of space can make a massive difference and make it more difficult to corall the winger away from danger areas.
Perhaps its connected with our tactics and shape and he's instructed to receive the ball to feet - possibly to reduce the chance of losing possession.
I thought that he could have made a real nuisance of himself if he was receiving the ball "on the run" as opposed to a standing start and could have released Keane and Doyle more easily.
It will be interesting to see who starts on the wings in the play-offs as Lawrence now has a strong claim on starting also.
Its possible McGeady could lose out to Duff and Lawrence.
McGeady did fine with most every ball he received, he held on to it in tight spaces and under tight marking, he did best when cutting inside. His dinks did not find a green shirt but his ground passing was all right.
He is such a far cry from the player that took the field against the Czechs and Slovakia.
I thought McGeady had a super game myself, but I agree with Wolfie: I've felt that ever since I saw him first he always seems to receive the ball from a standing start rather than running onto it. He'd be unplayable if he did this - though presumably a lot is down to the service he gets and the room he's given.
Your a star. I couldn't see a great deal from the back of the Davin at all so stuggled to make out who was on the ball at times. It would be nice to see it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
McGeady always tries his best. As does Hunt, Lawrence in his two games, Kilbane, O'Shea, Dunne, Given, etc. They give committment.
McGeady is good at getting past players. I feel his is missing one or two weapons from his armoury. If he could shoot from 20-25 yards, he would cause major problems to any defence or goalkeeper. And if he delivered a good final ball into the box.
These are things that can be worked on. I do think he needs to work on some long range shooting. He turned inside several times and had a good shooting opportunity but didn't take it and the chance fell away.
There's little point beating players if the final ball isn't up to scratch. Ronaldo was famous for having a poor final ball. He improved on that a lot and his shooting and crossing are now top notch.
Only getting to see highlights of the game now since my hectic move Oz. Interesting that McGeady took the free kick here on 4.20 with his left foot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jJPct8d87g
Again more evidence of his two footedness and him having no real preference for either.
Can't believe I missed the game. I'll have to download it when I get settled in a place with internet. All about the playoffs now. 2 huge nights.
Any news on the Italy game download/link?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
taking longer than expectedQuote:
Originally Posted by the doc
have it recorded on a hard drive recorder
have to burn it off to DVD
then rip the DVD
then split the rip into smaller files
then upload 2 750MB files
takes time
and I do have a job too!
calm your hormones, it'll be done when it's done
I posted the game in parts above, does that not work?Quote:
Originally Posted by the doc
not looking good for the video rip :(
the DVD plays in my PS2, but my laptop refuses to recognise it, so I can't rip it
I'll try it in my parent's PC when I get home next week