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09/10/2009, 10:07 PM
VinnyDCFC

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

How would they have made a loss given that this game was part of a transfer deal? :rolleyes:

You've never heard of match day costs?
09/10/2009, 10:27 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by VinnyDCFC

You've never heard of match day costs?

Not much when there is only a few hundred attending. :rolleyes:

Btw, you can still buy a ticket if you want...http://www.derrycityfc.net/
09/10/2009, 10:36 PM
VinnyDCFC

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Not much when there is only a few hundred attending. :rolleyes:

Btw, you can still buy a ticket if you want...http://www.derrycityfc.net/

:cool:
10/10/2009, 8:48 AM
MariborKev

Changed now Mr P,

No one told me it was changed and I was out last night, only saw it this morning......

Another shambles.
10/10/2009, 2:40 PM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by VinnyDCFC

Would you rather they went ahead with the game and made a loss?

If the statement is true Derry would surely be able to get the money they would have gained anyway from Celtic for breach of contract...
10/10/2009, 3:12 PM
thischarmingman

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

If the statement is true Derry would surely be able to get the money they would have gained anyway from Celtic for breach of contract...

That assumes we inserted a clause in the contract that stated Celtic had to bring over a full-strength squad. I don't know if we did or not, but it's never been confirmed.
10/10/2009, 3:17 PM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by thischarmingman

That assumes we inserted a clause in the contract that stated Celtic had to bring over a full-strength squad. I don't know if we did or not, but it's never been confirmed.

If that was the case then cancelling the game would have nothing to do with the squad brought over.
10/10/2009, 3:36 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

If the statement is true Derry would surely be able to get the money they would have gained anyway from Celtic for breach of contract...

Would love to see Derry taking Celtic to court :rolleyes: http://www.irishleaguesupporters.com...ughing92yn.gif
10/10/2009, 4:54 PM
SMorgan

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Originally Posted by thischarmingman

That assumes we inserted a clause in the contract that stated Celtic had to bring over a full-strength squad. I don't know if we did or not, but it's never been confirmed.

As with all legal issues it depends on the wording. I am sure Celtic will argue that they intended to take over the strongest squad that was available to them.

Derry City would have known from the minute this friendly was set up that there couldn't possibly be anything like a full strength Celtic team. For the life of it, it looks like Derry City wasn't happy with the advanced tickets sale and was concerned about the lack of interest and just decided to pull the plug. They could have done this 3 weeks ago.
11/10/2009, 10:49 AM
A face

It'll be interesting to see what way Celtic react to this. I would like to see it being rescheduled with a full strength team because thats what Derry would have signed up to in good faith.

In my opinion (from what i can see) Derry have lived up to their end of the bargain, the ball is now in Celtics court.

I think all League of Ireland fans should take note of this and remember its outcome.
11/10/2009, 11:59 AM
Graemerz

Oh dear... clearly an act of bitterness there... :D
11/10/2009, 12:47 PM
A face

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Originally Posted by Graemerz

Oh dear... clearly an act of bitterness there... :D

What do you mean?
12/10/2009, 2:03 PM
dcfcsteve

The writing was on the wall for this Celtic friendly for a long time though.

There was very little passion amongst City fans to watch a 3rd string Scottish club yet again, and the supposedly loyal Celtic fans in the area have had plenty of opportunities tro watch their beloved British team over the last year.
12/10/2009, 4:21 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by A face

It'll be interesting to see what way Celtic react to this.

It might be a while before you find out.
12/10/2009, 4:23 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

The writing was on the wall for this Celtic friendly for a long time though.

Then why the 11th hour cancelation?
12/10/2009, 4:30 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Then why the 11th hour cancelation?

You do realise that fans and club officials don't always have a completely overlapping view of every situation and that when someone posts something on here it isn't necessarily the view of the club in question :confused:

In our own case, our Board's views have diverged significantly from the views of many fans over the last year. Hardly a surprise and referred to on many separate threads recently.
12/10/2009, 4:34 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

You do realise that fans and club officials don't always have a completely overlapping view of every situation and that when someone posts something on here it isn't necessarily the view of the club in question :confused:

In our own case, our Board's views have diverged significantly from the views of many fans over the last year. Hardly a surprise and referred to on many separate threads recently.

I'm well aware. Hence I asked the poster for his thoughts and not your board. :rolleyes:
12/10/2009, 4:44 PM
Mr_Parker

Celtic Squad announced

http://www.cliftonvillefc.net/news_c...ws_121009.html

The game is live on Setanta btw.
12/10/2009, 5:05 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Then why the 11th hour cancelation?

Because of the voices in their head.

Why do you think.....? The Board may or may not have known how limited the interest amongst City fans was in this game, but probably hoped the Celtic 'massif' would show up to make up the numbers anyway.

Turns out the Celtic massif is in fact miniscule. Unless there's lots of protestant fans supporting the other team for them to goad in a medieval fashion, that is....
12/10/2009, 5:07 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

I'm well aware. Hence I asked the poster for his thoughts and not your board. :rolleyes:

Roll your eyes all you want. He gave you his view in his post, then you asked the question.

I'm glad quite a few of our fans still have an independent mind and aren't anyone's patsies. A lot of us are delighted the game is cancelled/postponed. The idea that Derry fans should be contributing to paying the transfer fees of our best players is absurd.

Anyway, enjoy your game with them across the water, based on previous experience, we're not missing much.
12/10/2009, 5:44 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Because of the voices in their head.

Why do you think.....? The Board may or may not have known how limited the interest amongst City fans was in this game, but probably hoped the Celtic 'massif' would show up to make up the numbers anyway.

Turns out the Celtic massif is in fact miniscule. Unless there's lots of protestant fans supporting the other team for them to goad in a medieval fashion, that is....

:D Lot's of Prods at our club. That must be it. ;)
17/10/2009, 2:52 PM
Mr A

Kenny says the players are unhappy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...sh/8312230.stm
17/10/2009, 2:54 PM
brianw82

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Originally Posted by Mr A

Kenny says the players are unhappy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...sh/8312230.stm

In other groundbreaking news, the earth not flat.
17/10/2009, 3:29 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Mr A

Kenny says the players are unhappy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...sh/8312230.stm

They'd get a bit more sympathy if they hadn't lost 4 on the bounce.

Come to think of it, the fans are unhappy too.
17/10/2009, 3:57 PM
MariborKev

Posted elswhere....

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/240...nference09.jpg
17/10/2009, 4:01 PM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

They'd get a bit more sympathy if they hadn't lost 4 on the bounce.

Come to think of it, the fans are unhappy too.

Why should that have anything to do with it? They haven't been paid the wages owed to them (one player as of last week had gone 9 weeks without receiving what was owed to him by Derry City FC) which are not performance related.
17/10/2009, 5:36 PM
passerrby

dispite alll the problems theres always europe eh, that cure for all ills.
thats kenny and doolin who believe it does not matter how much **** there in Europe is at the end of the tunnel
17/10/2009, 10:23 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Why should that have anything to do with it? They haven't been paid the wages owed to them (one player as of last week had gone 9 weeks without receiving what was owed to him by Derry City FC) which are not performance related.

I've more sympathy for the players that the board. But I'm not losing too much sleep over a group of people who earn a multiple of the average wage in Derry, where unemployment is some of the highest in Western Europe.

Don't get me wrong, I would prefer if they were paid, but I want whats best for the club and maybe if Kenny hadn't made ridiculous requests like overnight stays for Dublin games and then not delivered results we wouldn't be in this position.
18/10/2009, 10:39 AM
thischarmingman

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I've more sympathy for the players that the board. But I'm not losing too much sleep over a group of people who earn a multiple of the average wage in Derry, where unemployment is some of the highest in Western Europe.

Don't get me wrong, I would prefer if they were paid, but I want whats best for the club and maybe if Kenny hadn't made ridiculous requests like overnight stays for Dublin games and then not delivered results we wouldn't be in this position.

Ridiculous to blame players for how much they get paid imo. I don't know how much the players are paid but they certainly don't get paid so much that missing 9 weeks of them is anything less than a gravely serious issue. Do you think the players should have said, "No seriously boss, I really don't need that much, take 25% off it and we'll talk." It has absolutely nothing to do with them. We employ Gareth McGlynn, for instance, for his ability at kicking a round thing across some grass, not for his financial acumen. We employ Tam McManus for his habit of kicking that round thing into the white thing, not for his payroll skills.

Also, you do know that lots of people in Derry earn over the average wage? Should they all go back into their employers office and demand their wages be cut? I'm not having a go at you personally here, but it is such a typically begrudging Derry view, "Lots of people are unemployed at the moment, why should those who are employed by happy? They earn more money than some other people do, therefore they don't fully deserve it and should feel suitably guilty at receiving it."
18/10/2009, 10:44 AM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

(one player as of last week had gone 9 weeks without receiving what was owed to him by Derry City FC)

Nine weeks without being paid in full, technically.
18/10/2009, 11:41 AM
MariborKev

Our accounts are overdue by several weeks as well, but that is no surprise...
18/10/2009, 11:47 AM
pineapple stu

Now now - you'll have them at the AGM. Feck off and be patient. :rolleyes: :p
22/10/2009, 5:09 PM
EalingGreen

What is Kenny hinting at here? Is it that DCFC may be so financially hamstrung (esp if they don't qualify for Europe) that they won't receive an LOI Licence for the Prem next year?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...sh/8321317.stm
Page last updated at 16:38 GMT, Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:38 UK

Kenny concern over Premier status

Derry City manager Stephen Kenny has said that the club's Premier League status may be in some doubt.

"The club is under pressure and it is important that we are in the Premier League next season although there is probably a concern about that.

"There is a lot of uncertainty and we know we have to play our part by taking cutbacks but hopefully everything goes well," said the Candystripes boss.

(Continues)
22/10/2009, 5:19 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

What is Kenny hinting at here? Is it that DCFC may be so financially hamstrung (esp if they don't qualify for Europe) that they won't receive an LOI Licence for the Prem next year?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...sh/8321317.stm
Page last updated at 16:38 GMT, Thursday, 22 October 2009 17:38 UK

Kenny concern over Premier status

Derry City manager Stephen Kenny has said that the club's Premier League status may be in some doubt.

"The club is under pressure and it is important that we are in the Premier League next season although there is probably a concern about that.

"There is a lot of uncertainty and we know we have to play our part by taking cutbacks but hopefully everything goes well," said the Candystripes boss.

(Continues)

In fairness, Ealing Green, its hardly a surprise if you've read the thread?!

Naivety, laziness or wumming, what do you plead?
22/10/2009, 5:23 PM
Mr A

I think the concern isn't really a surprise, but the fact that Kenny has said it probably is!
22/10/2009, 8:09 PM
brianw82

If Cork and Bohs are still in the PL next year with all their respective issues, I don't really think Derry have much to worry about.
22/10/2009, 10:08 PM
Aaron

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Originally Posted by brianw82

If Cork and Bohs are still in the PL next year with all their respective issues, I don't really think Derry have much to worry about.

Apparently we do
22/10/2009, 10:13 PM
MariborKev

Naw,

Sure the board says there are no problems.

Financial meltdown story to break tomorrow.
22/10/2009, 10:15 PM
MariborKev

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Originally Posted by Mr A

I think the concern isn't really a surprise, but the fact that Kenny has said it probably is!

Not really, he is more forthcoming than the board.
22/10/2009, 10:25 PM
Aaron

It was Kenny who broke the news about our problems before we played CSKA Sofia. At least there is someone from the club telling us something. What I heard this evening is quite worrying, to the extent that we may not even survive:(

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