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03/07/2009, 10:11 AM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

What planet are you guys living on.:rolleyes:

Drop your togs for a second and its so abhorrent you get fired.

Bring Merrion square to a standstill, terrify FAI staff (including a heavily pregnant lady), cost the taxpayer countless (tens) thousands, get convicted for said offence, all in the name of Dundalk FC and you are given a fundraiser inside Oriel Park and hailed a hero, and never even chastised.

Never mind the decisiveness, where is the consistency?. If Maxi pulled his stunt in the last few weeks and had been earning a wage at Dundalk he would have been fired.

Connor dropping his togs before the league cup final a couple of years ago didn't stop Dundalk appointing him as manager, did it?

Celdrog don't even bother trying to show the inconsistency applied by dundalk -Maxi, Rogers, Connor - unfortunately contributors here are unable or unwilling to face the hypocrisy of the clubs reactions.

Apparently defending the undefendable is the Dundalk way, when it suits them ignore the offence and when it suits them "act decisevely". There is none so blind.........
03/07/2009, 10:18 AM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Might be true, but seems a really arrogant attitude!

The five match ban you referred to, was the maximum sanction open to the league. Perhaps the "it's part of football, there's nothing you can do about it" attitude displayed by his manager was part of the reason why there was no mitigation given by the league.

Weather you agree or not with the severity of the sanction imposed by Dundalk, there is no doubt about the decisiveness.

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I am glad that you recognise that McGuinness received the MAXIMUM sanction for his stupidity - what more could apply ? Bohs
and the player accepted the punishment (no appeal), again what do you expect as the MAXIMUM punishment was additional to a club ban and fine ? Nutsey apoligised to the player concerned and his manager and at no time sought to justify it - so much for his attitude.

Would at least agree that Dundalk action was "decisive" but then again so is the death penalty :)
03/07/2009, 10:21 AM
mcgonigle

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Originally Posted by SligoBrewer

Is this still going on? Eugh.

Yes unfortunatly it is, I thought all that needed to be said was said three weeks ago when the thread went dead. Correctly it was brought back to life when a date for a hearing was set and posted by shep.

But unfortunatly MarinoBohs fascination with everything Dundalk got the better of him and he started talking rubbish again, completely off topic. I think he has a soft spot for us ;)
03/07/2009, 10:55 AM
micls

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Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

Mr Rogers dropped his shorts, serious breach of gross misconduct and was duly punished by the board who took a stance unlike your club who only acted in the Mcguinness affair because it was in the public domain.

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

While I think that Sean Connor has been unwise this clearly does not equate to Dave Rogers' madness.

These comments might have more credence, if the same board hadn't hired a manager who himself thought it appropriate to drop his pants in the middle of a football stadium when his team were playing Derry last year.

Or doesnt it count because it was during the warm up rather than during the game?

If your board were that against 'mooning', they'd never have hired Connor.
03/07/2009, 11:28 AM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by mcgonigle

But unfortunatly MarinoBohs fascination with everything Dundalk got the better of him and he started talking rubbish again, completely off topic. I think he has a soft spot for us ;)

I know an excellent swamp ;)
03/07/2009, 3:33 PM
mcgonigle

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

I know an excellent swamp ;)

Ah thanks, now I feel obliged to compliment your future apartments but I'll wait until you're in the Champions League with millions in the bank
03/07/2009, 6:55 PM
Celdrog

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Celdrog don't even bother trying to show the inconsistency applied by dundalk

But we've no match until Sunday, have to amuse myself somehow.
03/07/2009, 11:02 PM
mcgonigle

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

But we've no match until Sunday, have to amuse myself somehow.

Just look at the league table until then, amuses me no end, have a good weekend :D
08/07/2009, 3:35 PM
Ezeikial

Article in todays Dundalk Democrat identifies the "Disputes Resolution Committee" as the forum for the hearing scheduled for July 16.

Is anyone aware if this is within the Labour Court framework or is this an FAI committee?

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DUNDALK DEMOCRAT 8 JULY 2009

Lisburn hopeful of signing Rogers
Lisburn Distillery manager Jimmy Brown remains "confident" in signing former Dundalk defender Dave Rogers.
Rogers is currently embroiled in a disciplinary dispute with the Lilywhites after being dismissed for baring his backside to St Patricks Athletic fans during a fixture in May.
Dundalk have accused Rogers of "gross misconduct" but the defender has appealed against the decision with a Disputes Resolution Committee to settle the case on July 16.
Whites boss Brown - who was previously technical assistant at Dundalk- is hoping the matter can be resolved to pave the way for Rogers' move to Ballyskeagh.
"Dave was at our Europa League game against FC Zestafoni, and he is committed to coming here on a permanent deal this summer. All I know is that Dave is an experiences, talented player, and I would love to see him at Distillery. He would be a big assest."
08/07/2009, 4:34 PM
John83

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Is anyone aware if this is within the Labour Court framework or is this an FAI committee?

FIFA have a body by that name, but it could be a labour court thing too.
08/07/2009, 4:50 PM
Dalymountrower

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Originally Posted by John83

FIFA have a body by that name, but it could be a labour court thing too.

No, nothing to do with the Labour Court, must be either an FAI gig or just lazy journalism.
09/07/2009, 2:19 AM
SkStu

its different in every sector but usually a dispute resolution committee is a non-binding hearing aimed at resolving a dispute prior to an arbitration. It can be judicial in nature but its not always the case. It will likely just a frank discussion between representatives of both sides.
09/07/2009, 9:08 AM
Dodge

Dispute resolution committee sounds vaguely GAAish to me

I'm guessing lazy journalism
09/07/2009, 11:29 AM
Longfordian

No it's some kind of FAI interrogation/torture chamber. We were up in front of it with Stephen Paisley a few years ago.
29/07/2009, 5:27 PM
DmanDmythDledge

Ex-Dundalk defender Dave Rogers has won a case against his former club who dismissed him following an incident during a league game against St Patrick's Athletic.

MORE
29/07/2009, 5:51 PM
Ezeikial

There does not appear to be an indication of the financial compensation awarded to Rogers - I trust he has done better then Albert Reynolds in his libel victory over the Times!

From what I hear Dundalk FC are not entirely dissatisfied with the award, and intend to adhere to this non-binding recommendation. I have heard it described as the most cost-effective player "transfer" this season.

I can't help but laugh at Stephen McGuinness pontificating about clubs treating their players with disrespect in the light of Rogers' actions.

Statement on PFAI website:
http://www.pfai.ie/index.php?mod=one...fdd3326940a68a
29/07/2009, 7:01 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

I can't help but laugh at Stephen McGuinness pontificating

You must know how McGuinness feels after your pontificating on this and other matters
29/07/2009, 7:51 PM
Celdrog

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

not entirely dissatisfied

So, that means they are somewhat dissatisfied or even not fully satisfied with the outcome.

Will all the Dundalk fans now acknowledge what the rest of us said, in that Dundalk were in the wrong to sack him and that legally, it was not gross misconduct?
29/07/2009, 7:51 PM
WindmillWarrior

5 figure sum according to Daniel McD on Off the Ball
29/07/2009, 8:02 PM
Mr A

Between that and the Barca game being off it hasn't been a brilliant week for DFC.
29/07/2009, 8:13 PM
oriel

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

Will all the Dundalk fans now acknowledge what the rest of us said, in that Dundalk were in the wrong to sack him and that legally, it was not gross misconduct?

Why would you assume that we all agreed with the club in the first place ?
29/07/2009, 9:27 PM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by Dodge

You must know how McGuinness feels after your pontificating on this and other matters

I havn't read all your 15,000 plus posts, but by crikey you do some line in pontification yourself, along with a fair smattering of dogma and hypocrisy.
29/07/2009, 9:34 PM
El Paso

Ah Celdrog, is this where you share your wisdom with the masses these days...

Very few DFC fans agreed with the decision, mostly because it is very difficult for an employer to win an unfair dismissal case and this one was always going to be very difficult to win.

Nonetheless some of our squad were clearly acting the maggot off the pitch at the time and performances on the pitch were unacceptable. The programme notes for that night stated 'We all have a duty to protect the League and it is important that we ensure high standards of discipline on the pitch.'

The case has gone against us but the turnaround in our fortunes since the club laid down the law has been stark. From that point of view we'll live.

But if Shelbyville want to give us back our Malone Cup share to help us through our predicament I'm sure it would be welcomed.
29/07/2009, 9:55 PM
soccerc

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

I havn't read all your 15,000 plus posts, but by crikey you do some line in pontification yourself, along with a fair smattering of dogma and hypocrisy.

Speaking of 15,000, that's what Dundalk will have to pay Rogers but in Euro not posts :cool:
29/07/2009, 10:00 PM
Dunny

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Originally Posted by soccerc

Speaking of 15,000, that's what Dundalk will have to pay Rogers but in Euro not posts :cool:

While the board of Dundalk FC acted hastily, he showed no respect for the club or fans. It's a nightmare for our finances but il make sure to buy a few tickets for this Atletico game.
29/07/2009, 10:11 PM
Celdrog

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Originally Posted by oriel

Why would you assume that we all agreed with the club in the first place ?

Well you did, for a start:D

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Originally Posted by oriel

What about the children at the game ? Was it right for them to witness this ? I think it sends out a clear message to the rest of the squad and I support the decision.

Most agreed, a few disagreed, presumably those who agreed will now accept GM was wrong (which I accept he rarely is)
29/07/2009, 10:21 PM
longfordjames

I would like to wish my former team-mates and the fans of the Dundalk all the best for the future. I really enjoyed my all too short stay at the club and I am very disappointed that the club sought to end it in such an unsatisfactory manner

Quote from him.Should he have been kept?
29/07/2009, 10:26 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

I havn't read all your 15,000 plus posts, but by crikey you do some line in pontification yourself, along with a fair smattering of dogma and hypocrisy.

it's beats the Dundalk party line that you trot out on every issue.

You either lack an independent mind, or are on the Board.

On the Rogers issue it was patently obvious Dundalk didn't follow standard HR procedures, they hadn't a leg to stand on. No wonder they are happy, it could've been much worse.
29/07/2009, 10:38 PM
Dunny

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Originally Posted by longfordjames

I would like to wish my former team-mates and the fans of the Dundalk all the best for the future. I really enjoyed my all too short stay at the club and I am very disappointed that the club sought to end it in such an unsatisfactory manner

Quote from him.Should he have been kept?

No. We have a better squad without him.
29/07/2009, 10:41 PM
Celdrog

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Originally Posted by El Paso

our Malone Cup share to help us through our predicament I'm sure it would be welcomed.

Have you won it this century?
29/07/2009, 10:42 PM
Dunny

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

Have you won it this century?

Pitiful.
29/07/2009, 10:52 PM
SMorgan

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Originally Posted by Celdrog

Have you won it this century?

And it only cost �12m :D:D
29/07/2009, 11:13 PM
Celdrog

So its not your Malone cup, then, I take it
29/07/2009, 11:40 PM
Dunny

Ah here...... As eyeball Paul would call you...
29/07/2009, 11:57 PM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

it's beats the Dundalk party line that you trot out on every issue.

You either lack an independent mind, or are on the Board.

On the Rogers issue it was patently obvious Dundalk didn't follow standard HR procedures, they hadn't a leg to stand on. No wonder they are happy, it could've been much worse.

Perhaps you should have taken the time to read the relevent posts before making such a nonsensical statement - I have consistently articulated the view that the board acted hastily, even harshly, and did not follow correct employment procedures.

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

I think that Dundalk may be on dodgy ground from a legal perspective, but I have no doubt about the morality of it.

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

I think that the sacking is harsh and an extreme reaction to the unacceptable levels of indiscipline that have been tolerated up to now. In that sense Dave Rogers is unfortunate, but is the author of his own misfortune.

The board have shown remarkable moral courage in their decision (whether you agree or disagree with it), and jibes about the moral character of players and other jibes are trite and miss the point.

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Either way, I agree with you, it would have been more prudent of the Dundalk board to suspend him pending a disciplinary hearing.

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Dundalk was decisive and firm (even if the technical procedure is found to be flawed)

From what I understand, the Dispute Resolution Chamber, (which is not binding on either party) made a recommendation on a financial settlement to Dave Rogers that is significantly less then the €10k-€15k suggested here and on Newstalk.

Of course the board cannot be satisfied that the hastiness and technical flaws in the dismissal will cost the club some money - but the change in discipline and attitude among the players and management that has followed is no co-incidence.

Dave Rogers played well for Dundalk in the short time he was at Oriel. I wish him well in the future, but the club is far better off without him.
30/07/2009, 12:09 AM
chatterbox

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Originally Posted by Dunny

No. We have a better squad without him.

Don't know about that Dunny. He's one of the best LBs in the league IMO and personally I was delighted he wasn't going to play against us anymore. He'd be a loss to any Irish clubs squad atm.
30/07/2009, 12:09 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

I havn't read all your 15,000 plus posts, but by crikey you do some line in pontification yourself, along with a fair smattering of dogma and hypocrisy.

Can't think of any hypocrisy but I absolutely pontificate.

Don't mind you doing it either. Just think its funny that you'll have a pop at McGuinness doing it
30/07/2009, 12:15 AM
soccerc

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

From what I understand, the Dispute Resolution Chamber, (which is not binding on either party) made a recommendation on a financial settlement to Dave Rogers that is significantly less then the �10k-�15k suggested here and on Newstalk.

It's �15K ;)
30/07/2009, 12:20 AM
sligoman

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Originally Posted by chatterbox

Don't know about that Dunny. He's one of the best LBs in the league IMO and personally I was delighted he wasn't going to play against us anymore. He'd be a loss to any Irish clubs squad atm.

Is this the same Dave Rogers that pulled down his shorts you're talking about?:confused:
30/07/2009, 1:04 AM
Dunny

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Originally Posted by chatterbox

Don't know about that Dunny. He's one of the best LBs in the league IMO and personally I was delighted he wasn't going to play against us anymore. He'd be a loss to any Irish clubs squad atm.

Funnily enough ever since his sacking we have turned a corner. I stand by my statement, we are way better off without him.

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