That post doesn't really go with what you quoted. I was giving him credit. Learn to read, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
That post doesn't really go with what you quoted. I was giving him credit. Learn to read, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
So telling the truth is arrogance, is it true that Celtic and Rangers lost to teams that would be considered inferior to them, the answer is Yes. is it true that Shamrock Rovers beat a team that were considered better than them, the answer is Yes. Just because a fact is true does not make it arrogant, its that you are not willing to accept it as a fact. Until you do, your opinion will not be taken seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
You wrote:
"BTW, you must not post on Shelsweb cause they all fecking hate the Ireland team there and don't support other LOI teams in Europe! Fair play you're different mind you."
And I interpreted the bit in bold as a snide comment tagged on like a back-handed compliment. It's a little ambiguous if we can both read it so differently. If you feel I've misquoted you: sorry. You tend to throw more brickbats than bouquets and that does colour my reading of your posts.
Ah TA it was a backhanded compliment.
Cheers EG.
What the Charlie said is pretty much on the money.
For what its worth I don't post over on ShelsWeb anymore cos except on matchdays its dead.
Not so much backhanded, just you're a rarity for a Shels fan online. It's good to see and refreshing. I can't get Irish people who want Ireland to lose.
Eminence Grise, it's being portrayed on here that somehow Shamrock Rovers are better than Celtic or Rangers because of ONE year neither made progress into the group stages of a European tournament. I just find it funny when they're nothing. Over 90 minutes they won one game, they're lucky to be in anything but good luck to them, but the oh we're far superior to you line I'm hearing lately is amusing but bordering on irritating. I hate idiots who are above their station. They're a team of semi-professional journeymen nobody's who have their moment in the sun. When that moment is over they're back to being nobody's.
There not thouQuote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
edt: in fairness would celtics team not be considered a team or rejects and people who couldn't cut it at a higher level too
Your responses are just as petty though.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Rovers is a team that does contain some journeymen pros mixed in with players who have ambitions to make it at a higher level, players who've not had the physical attributes to make it at Premier League clubs and others who've had their careers stunted by injury. To tar them all as journeymen is as ignorant as dismissing Celtic as a bunch of Premier League and Championship rejects.
Every team has a player or two that couldn't make it at a certain club, Celtic is no different. Shamrock Rovers have no players who would make it at a high level. That's why they're playing semi-professional football in the League of Ireland. We have plenty of will go on to bigger things. Emilio Izaguirre, Kayal, Hooper and Ki Sung-Yong all linked with big money moves to top clubs.
http://www.football.co.uk/manchester...s1698496.shtml
http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?topic=38718.0
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news...cle697227.html
I had a Rovers fan tell me earlier that Tallaght Stadium was not offically as good as Celtic Park because he got a UEFA cert for the Europe League. I mean, they're losing the run of themselves down Tallaght way!
But if they're so good why can't they win football matches? Rovers had 5 or 6 young players who are well capable of making it at a higher grade, one of whom is already on his way to Aston Villa. The Premier League and SPL in particular are full of lads who played semi-pro football in the League of Ireland. I don't know why you'd think the entire Shamrock Rovers team is incapable of joining those ranks, unless you were trying to make some half-assed hyperbolic point because a few people on the internet are picking on your favourite club.
One player didn't make it in England - Anthony Stokes. No other player failed in England or failed to get a game for their club. Gary Hooper scored more goals in the championship than Andy Carroll did and he was playing for Scunthorpe. Joe Ledley, Wilson, Hooper, Commons were all first team players for their clubs. Kris Common had 14 goals from midfield by January in the championship last season. The rest of the team are foreign or homegrown Scottish players, so no you couldn't say Celtic was made up of EPL or championship rejects, the facts say different. And three of the foreign players we imported are valued now between £8-£10 million each. We build a defence and we have a team :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I don't mean to offend anyone, I just can't stand Shamrock Rovers and their fans who think they're actually something. Not long after going into administration and ripping off their creditors they were looking down their noses at others saying they were the model club because they were debt free and had just built a stadium. They forgot to mention they were not long out of administration running away from their debt and the tax payer built their stadium for them because they couldn't. Rovers have the biggest jumped up fans in the LOI.
We do win football matches, we lost one playing 90 minutes with 10 men. I didn't lose any sleep over it. Of course plenty of people played semi-pro football in Ireland but how long do those players need before getting out of the LOI? If they were capable most of them wouldn't still be working as a postman in the mornings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Well I did say it would be ignorant. But it's safe to say Celtic aren't fighting off interest from Premier League clubs for too many of their players.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Sometimes I wonder if people wouldn't prefer that Rovers just folded and left the creditors with absolutely zilch. It's an odd sort of concern that people tend to show for businesses when a rival club gets into trouble. And the council built the stadium for itself - it owns and makes money by renting it to the highest bidder, while bringing regular and much-needed commerce to one of the less wealthy areas of Dublin. These ethical discussions get rather tiresome.Quote:
I don't mean to offend anyone, I just can't stand Shamrock Rovers and their fans who think they're actually something. Not long after going into administration and ripping off their creditors they were looking down their noses at others saying they were the model club because they were debt free and had just built a stadium. They forgot to mention they were not long out of administration running away from their debt and the tax payer built their stadium for them because they couldn't. Rovers have the biggest jumped up fans in the LOI.
You know as well as I that no one does bitter as well as a Shels fan and I mean really bitter.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
The night of the Shams game I was stuck at a wedding and flukily managed to end up beside a Shels fan and a Bohs fan. Both had zero interest in the national team. I don't understand it but hey, each to their own. And each to their own if they decide to support Birmingham (which this pair did) or Celtic or Accrington Stanley
There's no doubting your dedication to both Shels and Celtic and I do take your point re certain sections getting above their station (and don't forget we had a fair few of our own pie in the sky merchants at Tolka back in the day), but the singular point that a lot of the sane individuals on foot.ie are making is that the LOI has improved in Europe over the last few years and has made it's breakthrough; and you should welcome it because it is good for Shams, Sligo us and Finn Harps etc.; as well as the point that Scottish football has declined both domestically and in Europe. That's it.
You should just start thinking about the point you try to make and stop preaching to the converted or making yourself out as a WUM in the process.
TA, I'm well aware of what has been posted. Unlike you, I'm indifferent to it. Give people here a break: for how long have LoI fans had to endure the "oh we're far superior to you line" you dislike hearing about Celtic from fans of SPL teams? How often did you hear it as a Shels fan? This season, an LoI team went further on the field of play than any SPL team. Let them, and their fans, and fans of the LoI who choose to support them, enjoy their day in the sun. They may rile you, and wind you up like a clockwork mouse - but you don't have to keep making it so easy for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Fair point, Eminence.
It's only a three-sided UEFA-approved stadium now. Tut tut.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
There's 80 "nothing" clubs in European action this week, 79 of which earned the right to play, on the pitch. Enjoy watching them on tv, instead of in the stadium.
Who??Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Indeed they may go on to bigger things. They may even beat Sion.
There are plenty of posters that hate us on this forum. For some strange reason, they've all stayed away from this thread. Don't want to embarrass themselves.
What on earth is "crappy" about Tallaght Stadium? That's quite baffling tbh.
Also, saying that Rovers have no players that would make it at a higher level is blatantly not true. Enda Stevens is proof of this. I seem to remember their international goalkeeper leave recently for the dizzying heights of the SPL though, if that's more TA's cup of tea.
I just bought my three game package the weekend for £69. £23 a game, great value. I'll be sitting in my usual seat in our world class stadium, no temporary stands or TV for me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Says it all when someone who plays for Ireland's best team leaves for a crappy team like St Johnstone. That said they have decent talent like Michael Duberry and Jody Morris, have four stands for their stadium and play in a better league that gets far wider coverage and you play in Celtic Park and Ibrox four times a year. Who wouldn't leave?Quote:
Also, saying that Rovers have no players that would make it at a higher level is blatantly not true. Enda Stevens is proof of this. I seem to remember their international goalkeeper leave recently for the dizzying heights of the SPL though, if that's more TA's cup of tea.
Will it be this week, did they qualify on the pitch and erm, is the place half-full for those 6pm ko's yet? I guess not.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
So the teams are now crap. Well, at least you're getting there.Quote:
Says it all when someone who plays for Ireland's best team leaves for a crappy team like St Johnstone.
EPL-rejects.Quote:
That said they have decent talent like Michael Duberry and Jody Morris
They do get hockeyed in Glasgow 4 times a year, but at least they get to go to places like Kilmarnock, Motherwell, and even Inverness the rest of the year. Sure how more glamourous can it get?Quote:
you play in Celtic Park and Ibrox four times a year. Who wouldn't leave?
Isn't that what happened in 2005?Quote:
Sometimes I wonder if people wouldn't prefer that Rovers just folded and left the creditors with absolutely zilch
That the club folded? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by poster
Still a bigger and best club than yours. Not as crap as your crap so to speak. St Johnstone would walk the LOI with some of the players they have. They're not stars but they're decent.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
All with stadiums (that they actually built themselves and own. Imagine that concept?) and set-ups superior and/or FAR superior to yours and clubs with a full time professional set-up, unlike yours. Carry on though demaning though it's funny as hell because you actually think you're something :DQuote:
They do get hockeyed in Glasgow 4 times a year, but at least they get to go to places like Kilmarnock, Motherwell, and even Inverness the rest of the year. Sure how more glamourous can it get
A Swiss court has ordered Swiss-based UEFA to reinstate FC Sion. I'm not sure what the legal implications would be for UEFA to ignore the order but I would surprised if they didn't stick to their guns and leave Celtic in.
http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottis...still-pending/
It's highly unlikely but it's getting to the stage where I'm starting not to care, it's boring now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Celtic got a hiding of Sion and Sion deserve to be there on football merit. FWIW Celtic are gickQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
A hiding? We played the game with ten men aren't they great! The player who scored the two goals to knock us out and who won their penalty to put us down to ten men shouldn't have been on the pitch. They cheated. They're sh*t and we're better than them, we should be there. Add to that Shels should be playing Limerick in the cup by the same principle. We were cheated we should progress.
Oh course. Shels didn't throw the game at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
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Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Would they fook. Not even close. You really have no idea of the standard of Scottish football
I watch it enough. I live there, unlike you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
We're all off to sunny Spain.....:)
http://celticfc.net/newsstory?item=1544
THE UEFA Appeals Body today rejected FC Sion's appeal against their expulsion from the group stages of this season's Europa League.
Celtic were reinstated to the competition, and will take on Atletico Madrid, Udinese and Rennes. The first match takes place this Thursday, September 15 at the Vicente Calderon Stadium in Madrid.
Clearly, Celtic are pleased with the decision.
There is not a chance that that is even remotely true. If you picked another club then maybe it would have held up to some degree but you are trying to take the complete and utter mick if you are saying thats true. Thats an argument/rebuttal that was widely used about 10 years and was true, but alot has changed since then (in both leagues).Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
They have better stadiums yeah, and by and large they employ more people, and those jobs are somewhat stable but a very simplistic answer to that is "so what!" And thats not making light of it, we are (and they are) where we are. All LOI clubs can do is to strive to match that. If Scottish clubs didn't have those setups, given the opportunity and time they have had to set them up then that would be something to raise your eyebrow at but other than that its a non-event.Quote:
All with stadiums (that they actually built themselves and own. Imagine that concept?) and set-ups superior and/or FAR superior to yours and clubs with a full time professional set-up, unlike yours. Carry on though demaning though it's funny as hell because you actually think you're something :D
LOI clubs have meandered for years without direction and purpose and the powers that be were happy to leave it happen, cap in hand with the other hand out to the Irish public for decades. This is nothing new, to a man, each and every single person on this forum knows this. We have endured it for years. With people like Ollie Byrne and his ilk running the game here what else would you expect.
They're a full time professional club, how am I taking the mick? They have some players that would completely walk the LOI.Quote:
Originally Posted by A face
I haven't a clue what point you're trying to make there. Like I said a few times I don't think why people in Ireland try and mock Scotland, that's all. I don't see how we can, we're not in a position to. I think we should be looking to them and learning from them, not mocking when even most teams in the second tier in Scotland have better stadia and set-ups than nearly all the LOI clubs and they own them themselves without any help from anyone. What we need to do is look at is how they achieved that and try and replicate that. I would start by firing John Delaney and paying someone €100k per annum and reinstating the league prize money to what it was so clubs can invest in better facilities.Quote:
They have better stadiums yeah, and by and large they employ more people, and those jobs are somewhat stable but a very simplistic answer to that is "so what!" And thats not making light of it, we are (and they are) where we are. All LOI clubs can do is to strive to match that. If Scottish clubs didn't have those setups, given the opportunity and time they have had to set them up then that would be something to raise your eyebrow at but other than that its a non-event.
I agree. Here's hoping things change for the fans sake, those who have faithfully supported the league deserve stability.Quote:
LOI clubs have meandered for years without direction and purpose and the powers that be were happy to leave it happen, cap in hand with the other hand out to the Irish public for decades. This is nothing new, to a man, each and every single person on this forum knows this. We have endured it for years. With people like Ollie Byrne and his ilk running the game here what else would you expect.
A full time professional club failed to walk the League of Ireland last season. They're a good team with good players and it's possible they would win the LOI Premier Division but there's no evidence at all to suggest they'd walk it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
bit harsh on Sion. UEFA approved their squad after all
This has been dealt with already. I can't be bothered with going into the semantics of it again, but they were warned the players were ineligible before it started. Celtic protested before the first leg and played under protest.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Bit harsh on the group - it'll be less competitive with Sion out and Celtic in.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Think you're on the wrong forum mate... I really hope you know that the crest you have as your avatar doesnt spell Seltic FC?Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Enjoy the europa league on sky or with binoculars at the top of the 2nd tier of Parkhead! meanwhile I'll be so close to the action I wont even need your 3D specs! :cool:
No it won't, we're a better team, a far bigger club and have a better fans to add to the competition. They beat us with ten men for 90 minutes, woop de du.Quote:
Originally Posted by born2bwild
thought it was a two legged tie Chucky?
Row N Jock Stein Lower my dear boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buller
I'll be sitting in this arena famous for its atmosphere on a European night:
http://www.stadiumguide.com/celticpark5.jpg
And you'll be in this cow shed:
http://www.independent.ie/multimedia...nd_291415t.jpg
http://www.thehuddle.co.uk/hb/images/smilies/loel.gif