I wonder does that ("you do what he says or you dont play") apply to Coleman, who appears to have a 'free to roam' pass in his back pocket?
He does end up in some strange positions, veering into CM and even over to the left side of CM.
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I wonder does that ("you do what he says or you dont play") apply to Coleman, who appears to have a 'free to roam' pass in his back pocket?
He does end up in some strange positions, veering into CM and even over to the left side of CM.
Maybe Trapattoni doesn't recognise him?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
A CM of Coleman and Hunt would be 'interesting'.
It would be like our current CM, a void, non-existent, etc etc - but for different reasons obviously.
At least you'd see them. Running around in circles in the general direction of the ball, tripping over their heels, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I see Whelan was muscled off the ball in midfield in the lead-up to the Newcastle goal tonight, though Begovic will take the flak for his non-save.
He was played into a bit of a tight spot, there was a player to the left of him who should have been an
outlet but unfortunately he ran to a position where he was unavailable hence there was no much on for him
and he got caught on the ball, he could have done better though perhaps.
Still 3 points for Stoke and he was got a decent rating on Sky sports.
"All-round good display some excellent passing".
The commentators gave him high praise throughout the match, did note that as one bad moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
He is actually one of our highest placed players in the stats, and the highest in his position.
I looked at the number of dispossessions per game and his was 0.5 where as for McCarthy it was 0.9.
So it's a pretty rare event for him.
They can't take it of you if you don't have itQuote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Yeah just like in my favorite movie, Titanic, when Leo says when you got nothin you got nothing to lose? Oh Leo is so dreamy.
How many times did you see it in the cinema but?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
But??????
Bob Dylan must be a fan as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Assuming it comes down to a choice as to who is to play beside McCarthy (ignoring the Trap won't change clamour), Whelan or Andrews? In the past I would have opted for Andrews but Whelan is playing regularly in the Premiership and will perform better with a more skilful player beside him. Whelan for me.
I'd pick Gibson beside McCarthy, if available. I'm genuinely sick of the sight of Whelan in a green shirt. He offers absolutely nothing, and it's astounding that he's been playing regular EPL football for so long. If anything, it serves to show how little technique you need to play in midfield in that league. When Whelan receives the ball, his first instinct is to either pass it back in the direction it came, pass it back to the goalkeeper, or lump it up the field into 'the channels'. He never knows what to do before he gets the ball, and lacks the composure and vision to turn, pick a pass, and execute it with any accuracy, and change the focus of the attack - something which seems to come naturally to even a developing Wigan player like McCarthy. If Whelan was a rugby player, he'd be Tomas O'Leary.
He's nominally there as a 'holding' or defensive midfielder, but even if he was an impressive reader of the game, and good at breaking up play (which he isn't), the trend in European football is not for Carsley-type anchormen these days, but for Carrick/Busquets/Alonso/Pirlo-type deep-lying playmakers who can combine decent athleticism with intelligent, measured passing. Whelan does not fit in this mould, and neither does Meyler, for that matter, on recent evidence. Gibson is the best suited to that deep-lying role from our scant resources, and a McCarthy-Gibson partnership would at least give us a bit of technical savvy in the middle without compromising on athleticism.
Edit - and if the above sounds a bit harsh, let's not forget that Whelan is closing in on 50 caps. We've had plenty of limited midfielders before, but the likes of Holland, Kinsella, Carsley and McLoughlin could all put in effective performances on their day. Even Kilbane had a few good days in his ill-fated central-midfield run. I just don't see what Whelan offers.
I'd agree Whelan is hardly the most inspiring player on the pitch nothing, his game seems to focus on safety,
on that occasion he would have done better to be even more negative and kick the ball into touch!!
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Originally Posted by geysir
You mean Robert Zimmerman? Thats Bob's (as I call him) real name.
Glenn Whelan could well face legal trouble over a horror challenge on Javi Garcia right at the start of the second half in today's match against Manchester City. I've just watched it myself, and it was a two footed long jump kind of "tackle" that was clearly meant to break Garcia's leg. Howard Webb was three yards away and didn't give a card, probably because Zabaleta fouled Whelan immediately after.
Yeah I think he's facing a couple of years in prison for that one.
Remember Dean Saunders?
Yeah, 20 years ago. There have been worse tackles since. I think our Glenn will be able to spend Christmas with his family this year.
Glenn's gun was belching out smoke there. I don't know how he got away with it.
Possibly he was so late, by the time he landed on Garcia's outstretched leg, the ref was following the flight of the ball some 10m away,
They would probably let him out for internationals though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4oU-nrM_ac
I've seen worse. ;p
Is that a two-footed tackle or a two-footed stamp?
http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7074/...fb5b7fb9_c.jpg
Looks like he is having a meeting about the tackle with League brass.
Had a strange game against Reading, looked comfortable on the ball most of the time, but played the odd absolute suicide pass. One of which led to him making a very rash tackle and rightly getting booked.
some people wheelie hate him on the stoke board.
http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/...=208962&page=3
This thread is no place for free-whelan punnery like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Watching bradfords midfield yesterday reminded me of watching Irelands with Glenn Whelan, that jones lad was just like whelan, getting the ball in the middle and instead of looking to create something turns sideways or backwards and passes it to a defender to hoof forward. Seriously limited and providing nothing in the centre.
Like Darren Gibson you mean ?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Wasn't it a disgrace hearing those Bradford fans still supporting their side when losing 5-0 to a superior side? I never heard the likes of it.
must. not. bite. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Pulis thinks Whelan is the key to Stoke's survival http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-29180163.html
I'm reasonably sure they're going to stay up, Reading and QPR look doomed, and Sunderland are in free fall
Interesting. I have genuinely pictured myself taking with Tony Pulis and Trap asking them what they see in Whelan, and I guess now I have my answer!
I made a comment about Stoke recently, yes I think I was talking about Paul Green and someone was saying he was a ChampionshipQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
player, I came back with well Whelan and McCarthy could be championship players next season, I look up the relegation odds
and Stoke were 22-1 I think I commented that that was a good price. I was gonna have a bet but I saw their next game was
and 'easy fixture' so I didn't bother. They are 8-1 now, hence opportunity missed.
It looks like they will stay up but I think it is Sunderland who are key to their survival not Whelan.
I would add I watched a recent Whelan game and I was actually pretty impressed with his play and work rate, I'd say it was a pleasant surprise!! Maybe that particular game influenced Pulis's comments. I did look as though he was pretty influential in the game, not too sure which game it was but at best it was a draw
v West Brom as they have not won since mid-Jan.
Whoops.. Glenn will be needing a new windscreen: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...er-fuming.html
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...a_2565949b.jpg
I'd try and pin it on Figo if I was him. Figo likes a wet windy night in Stoke right?
Why did you post a pic of a Shamrock Rovers fan, junior?
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