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29/08/2008, 12:07 PM
Buile Shuibhne

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Originally Posted by pete

Can't remember the last time had a Shels discussion ;)

Genuine question but did someone really pay 20m for the lease at Tolka? Was this before the floods as I would think almost impossible to get planning permission next to the Tolka river now. Well certainly after recent changes mooted by Minister for the Environment.

I posted this in another thread here the other day:

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Originally Posted by Fintan Cassidy

There's lots of new buildings going up along the Tolka / Richmond Rd.

The sites are excavated and 'tanked' against floods - and then built on.
29/08/2008, 12:09 PM
LeixlipRed

Next time you're in Tolka Pete, examine the new apartments as you cross the bridge. Face Tolka and they're on your right. Note the flood protection built into the building as Fintan mentioned.
29/08/2008, 12:28 PM
pete

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Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

Next time you're in Tolka Pete, examine the new apartments as you cross the bridge. Face Tolka and they're on your right. Note the flood protection built into the building as Fintan mentioned.

I saw new apartments next to the bridge on the Tolka Park side but i don;t think it floods at the bridge itself?

If the lease has already been sold then fine but I suspect planning permission will be more difficult going forward...
29/08/2008, 12:34 PM
stickyjoe

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Originally Posted by derm

The situation is different to Shels, City were given a budget and stayed within it. They were spending money that they were guaranteed. Now that guarantee is rescinded City received a ten point penalty for going into examinership and all future breaches of the license from now to the end of the season will also be punished.

Yea, the situation is different. Shels have paid or will pay ALL outstanding creditors and players, Cork are now in the process of seeing what %age they can offer creditors instead of paying ALL their debts. Shels also have an asset still worth millions while Cork have no assets.

But yes, relegation for Shels and a 10 point deduction for Cork is fair:rolleyes: I don`t think anyone from Cork will be using the term "ridden rock solid" for a while.
29/08/2008, 12:36 PM
pete

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Originally Posted by stickyjoe

But yes, relegation for Shels and a 10 point deduction for Cork is fair:rolleyes: I don`t think anyone from Cork will be using the term "ridden rock solid" for a while.

So you are proposing CCFC be relegated mid season? :eek:

If we are unable to pay players or debts when applying for licence next season I suspect we will be relegated.
29/08/2008, 12:41 PM
stickyjoe

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Originally Posted by pete

So you are proposing CCFC be relegated mid season? :eek:

If we are unable to pay players or debts when applying for licence next season I suspect we will be relegated.

Why weren`t you deducted all points that you had this season and still play out the season? Similar to Rovers a few years back. A 10 point deduction is ridiculous, where is the logic or basis for this? Why was it not 5, 15, 25? Its typical making up the rules as you go along with the FAI and the reality is that they are bending over backwards to ensure that there is a premier division team in Cork next season, something that wasn`t done to help either Rovers or Shels.
29/08/2008, 12:44 PM
pete

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Originally Posted by stickyjoe

Why weren`t you deducted all points that you had this season and still play out the season? Similar to Rovers a few years back.

I think Rovers were deducted 9 or 10 points. It just happened to be the start of the season so not all their points deducted. It was also for a different offense. I accept they are making it up as they go along but lets have some reality.
29/08/2008, 12:45 PM
LeixlipRed

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Originally Posted by pete

I saw new apartments next to the bridge on the Tolka Park side but i don;t think it floods at the bridge itself?

If the lease has already been sold then fine but I suspect planning permission will be more difficult going forward...

Where was the money we were ****ing away for years coming from? The sale of the lease. Ollie was special but he couldn't conjure money from thin air
29/08/2008, 12:53 PM
pineapple stu

You can't relegate a team mid-season. Cork could well face futher sanctions, so it's best to wait until the dust settles to see what happens.

I always thought Shels were ultimately happy to take relegation last year because of the fact they'd have been hammered off the pitch otherwise.
29/08/2008, 1:48 PM
derm

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Originally Posted by stickyjoe

Yea, the situation is different. Shels have paid or will pay ALL outstanding creditors and players, Cork are now in the process of seeing what %age they can offer creditors instead of paying ALL their debts. Shels also have an asset still worth millions while Cork have no assets.

But yes, relegation for Shels and a 10 point deduction for Cork is fair:rolleyes:

City are in examinership, this is a process to deal with paying debts. It involves coming to an agreement with your creditors. So yes, hopefully it will involve a percentage of debts owed, same as Rovers who you conveniently omit in this post.

I don't know the ins-and-outs of Shel's debts but I congratulate them if they have paid every creditor 100% of the monies owed, without any special agreements being reached.

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Originally Posted by stickyjoe

Why weren`t you deducted all points that you had this season and still play out the season? Similar to Rovers a few years back. A 10 point deduction is ridiculous, where is the logic or basis for this? Why was it not 5, 15, 25? Its typical making up the rules as you go along with the FAI and the reality is that they are bending over backwards to ensure that there is a premier division team in Cork next season, something that wasn`t done to help either Rovers or Shels.

It's not similar to Rovers at all. Rovers got no penalty for going into examinership, it wasn't a breach of the license afaik. Instead they got an 8 point deduction for submitting falsified accounts, and given every chance to remain in the premier division by on-the-field methods. You could look at it as why was the FAI bending over backwards to help the most famous Irish club after it submitted falsified accounts? Personally I think the FAI should bend over backwards to help any club that is in trouble while also punishing licensing breaches by the club.

And please, please, PLEASE look at the friggin date, or even the fixture list. The season is not over, Cork City are not even guaranteed to survive let alone be a premier team next season. Try to understand, going into examinership is now punished, having unhappy creditors when applying for a new license will be punished (like Shels), submitting falsified accounts will be punished (like Rovers). Shels and Rovers had one punishment, City could yet get several. It won't matter that's its a Cork club or not. What will matter is whether or not it can satisfy the creditors and the licencing committee.
29/08/2008, 3:31 PM
blackholesun

Even if Rovers hadda beat Dublin City, the 400C woulda needed to get a Premier Licence for the following year to compete in the premier.

Regardless where we finish this year we still gotta reapply for the a premier division license for next year, as do all the other clubs.

Id say for any club that goes through examinership, It might be hard to get a premier license for the following season and a season in the first division in order to regroup might be the best thing for them anyways. It did us the world of good.

Worst case scenairo for Cork, FORAS could start a new team in the first next year and even go amateur ala Wallace for the first year if they had to!

bhs

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