You know that we already have used exactly such criteria to determine the make-up of last years EL Premier Division?Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
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You know that we already have used exactly such criteria to determine the make-up of last years EL Premier Division?Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Some very good point there EalingGreen. The more I think about it, the more I can't see this AIL happening for some of the reasons you have outlined. Smaller clubs just won't accept it. Personally, I can't say I'd be for this breakaway league as it is currently being proposed. I think the best course of action is to allow a natural expansion of the Setanta Cup until one day the IFA and FAI see the sense (perhaps with some pressure from the clubs) of having an all island premier division with regional divisions under that but regional divisions that are fully integrated into the the greater all island football pyramid. Smaller clubs must not be allowed to die a slow death while the 'elite' clubs break away.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
I live in Drumahoe. there is not any clear countryside between here and they city. Drumahoe ends at a park locally called the "banana park". Beside this there is another housing development, right the way to the hospital and Knightsbridge, whioch is connected to... and so on til you get to the bridge. Unless the Foyle is considered "clear countryside", you're wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
Londonderry was in inverted commas because that's what any fans of 'Stute I know say. I say Derry.
And you want to see a repeat of such criteria being used again and again to stop clubs that were promoted on merit from gaining access to the higher divisions? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
I think LOI football has improved greatly over the last 10 years or so, both on and off the field, so I don't see the need to join with an "inferior league" that hasn't developed to the same extent. With the exception of Glentoran and Linfield, none of the IL clubs would be "crowd pullers" so what's the point of replacing current teams (where there are built-up rivalries) with part-time teams with "limited brand recognition" and who are unlikely to be able to fulfil matches regularly on weekdays.
As I see it, calls for an AIL are primarily driven by certain clubs who have over stretched themselves financially in the recent past and who view an AIL as the best way to ease financial strain.
As long as my club are in I don't really care.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
Obviously if we weren't in I'd be outraged.
Thats why I'm a fan :confused:
Pretty much sums up why your views should be ignored on the subject, to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
I don't think it would take too long for new rivalries to develop in an AIL though. A lot of eL teams are always coming and going from the league therefore making it hard sometimes to sustain meaningful rivalries outside the top clubs anyway. I'd agree though that why play Dungannon Swifts for the sake of it when you could just play UCD. I know I'd rather play (and beat) Newry City than Wexford Youths on any day of the week however. Cliftonville would also be a crowd puller I feel. Sure Glentoran and Linfield are the big two pullers but I feel there is more to the IL than just these teams and other teams from north of the border would perhaps grow in stature as part of an AIL.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The map says different.Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
http://www.multimap.com/maps/?hloc=GB|drumahoe
A clear break between the city and Drumahoe, and Drumahoe identified separately from the city of Londonderry.
The Royal Mail also considers Drumahoe to be separate in its official address of "Drumahoe, Londonderry".
And yours. And everyone elses while we're at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Is anyone objective about this?
Need I remind you about your railing against the unfairness of the original infrastructure requirements of Licensing as they left your own club high and dry?!
At least I'm honest.
Pól-dcfc lives there so he knows better than you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
And if Drumahoe was seperate from Derry there wouldn't be any need for the LondonDerry bit in its address now would there?
But maybe you can pm the Derry lads about this in future as it's clearly off-topic.
..........consisting of playing fields, which includes Institutes ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
You knowledge of North West geography is similar to your knowledge of the Eircom League. Let me know when you are going to respond about all the centrally distributed funding EL clubs will lose out under the AIL proposals :rolleyes:
So is Eglinton not a separate town/village from the city of Londonderry?Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Is Coalisland part of Dungannon town?
Both Eglinton and Coalisland have Londonderry and Dungannon in their addresses.
Kilkeel's official address is "Kilkeel, Newry" - do you think that Kilkeel is part of Newry?
Londonderry is the "postal town" and is in the address because that is where the mail goes for delivery not only to Londonderry but surrounding towns and villages.
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Originally Posted by Blanchflower
Zoom in and you'll find you are wrong. There is no clear gap, there's an industrial estate, with a childrens park opposite. Faughan View Park there is still part of Drumahoe, and still connected to the rest of the city. Drumahoe is a suburb of Derry the same way as Ballymac, Springtown or Creggan are. It was a village of it's own previously, probably up until about 30 years ago when the surrounding area was developed.
Funny, when I was there in November, Institute's ground was on the left hand side of the main road to Derry. The map shows space on both sides of the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
How do you explain the fact that Drumahoe is separately identified on the map if, in fact, it is part of Londonderry city?
How do you explain Royal Mail's policy of identifying Drumahoe as a separate town?
Playing fields also, the posts are a dead give away :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
Now convinced you re-arranged the deckchairs on the Titanic btw.....
I've zoomed in and the same amount of space is shown as in the wider view.Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
In any case, even if there is a children's park and an industrial estate between Drumahoe and Derry it doesn't mean that Drumahoe isn't separate. And being a suburb doesn't mean it's part of the city either.
Most of the suburbs of Belfast aren't actually in the city. Ever heard of Newtownabbey? Or Dunmurry?
I take it Blanchflower you are not going to stop until everybody agrees with you.
The title of the thread is "AIL: Will it happen?"
The title of the thread is not "Ever heard of Newtownabbey? Or Dunmurry?"
Try to bear this in mind ;)
I take it that means you concede that your argument about Londonderry being in Drumahoe's address is false?Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101