Dublin City aims for Europe

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Originally Posted by Cosmo

Easy solution is for the country clubs to be run better than Seery and Dublin city and therefor they'll get relegated naturally. Or maybe the other clubs dont have it in them!

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Not necessarily. Success and being run properly don't always equate in football - particularly in the short-to-medium term.

Clubs can be badly run yet do much better than other clubs that are well-run - simply because a philosophical cornerstone of badly-run football clubs seems to be a willingness to gamble on future success. Spending money you don't have, or need to borrow, on the future promise of glory/returns. Well-run clubs don't take such risks.

For example - Leeds United spent 5 years as a Top 5 Premiership club in England, and were less than 90mins away from a Champions League final. At the time no-one realised that this was all being funded speculatively. There were other much better-run clubs in the English Premiership at the time who didn't share that level of success - some of whom were relegated. Eventually the Leeds bubble burst, as gambles often fail - but it proves the point that doing well doesn't always mean you're well run. Just like not sharing success doesn't necessarily mean youre badly run. Clubs with small fan bases could be run exemplary yet never, ever win anything as a result of living within their means.

Also - 'country' clubs have to work harder just to stand still, as they don't have the benefit of location for away fans. I'll guarantee you that Dublin City will receive a higher income from away fans this season than AT LEAST HALF the rest of the Premier Division will. That's got nothing to do with how well run they may be, and everything to do with location. They could be propped-up financially by income from away fans, purely through being Dublin-based.

Now - I'm not saying Dublin City are badly run, as I simply don't know what their finances look like. But there are question marks over them and a number of other Premier Division clubs who people suspect are spending beyond what their fan-base would suggest is appropriate/sensible. Living off hand-outs from wealthy benefactors (e.g. Seery) is not a sustainable means of existence, and could also be considered as evidence of living beyond your means. No doubt Dub City fans will attack me for saying that, but they know as well as I do that there is a lingering suspicion amongst fans on all of this.

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Originally Posted by bigmac

Anyway, why attack DC over doing their utmost to get into the league? If you're not happy with what the FAI/EL did then surely you should blame them?

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BigMac - read the previous posts.

The EL/FAI cannot be held to blame, as they weren't asked to do anything other than accept yet another name change from Home Farm/Seery.

Seery is the one who pulled a fast-one - claiming a name change for what he now says was actually a totally new entrant into the league. Was that perhaps because he knew if he'd asked for his club to be elected, as per the stipulated procedure, he would've been unlikely to succeed....?

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Originally Posted by bigmac

Is that the Kerry side that wouldn't enter the league cup because of prohibitive costs? It's all very well saying that we should let in other teams instead of DC but these other teams don't seem to want to be in the league! Why not just leave DC in the league and bring in 2 new clubs to the first division. If DC truly aren't viable then they won't last in the premier and one of the other teams can take their place.

Anyway, why attack DC over doing their utmost to get into the league? If you're not happy with what the FAI/EL did then surely you should blame them?

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I gave those 2 clubs as examples. Bringing in more clubs into the league is a complete no no. There are simply not enough players or fans to go around.

Am not attacking CHF for getting into the league. It was the league clubs at the time who voted them in who are to blame.

KOH

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Am not attacking CHF for getting into the league. It was the league clubs at the time who voted them in who are to blame.

KOH

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Thats my point - Ye cant just chuck a club out of the league because ye suddenly decided that they have no supporters or that theres too many clubs in area (imagine fulham been told that :D )

Been admitted in to the league in the first place is another matter, but they're here now so people should just deal with it ;)

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Originally Posted by Cosmo

Thats my point - Ye cant just chuck a club out of the league because ye suddenly decided that they have no supporters or that theres too many clubs in area (imagine fulham been told that :D )

Been admitted in to the league in the first place is another matter, but they're here now so people should just deal with it ;)

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Suddenly decided?? Hardly. it was blatantly obvious if they were taking Home Farm's place that they would have no fans before a ball was kicked.

Your comparison with Fulham, a club with history and thousands of fans is ridiculous.

The only way to "deal with it" is by showing them the door.

KOH

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Originally Posted by Cosmo

Thats my point - Ye cant just chuck a club out of the league because ye suddenly decided that they have no supporters or that theres too many clubs in area (imagine fulham been told that :D )

Been admitted in to the league in the first place is another matter, but they're here now so people should just deal with it ;)

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It will be interesting to see what support Rovers will have in the First division. A lot of long Journeys in the First Division

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Originally Posted by Ringo

It will be interesting to see what support Rovers will have in the First division. A lot of long Journeys in the First Division

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Bring it on. We'll always be there as we've proven year in year out.

KOH

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Suddenly decided?? Hardly. it was blatantly obvious if they were taking Home Farm's place that they would have no fans before a ball was kicked.

Your comparison with Fulham, a club with history and thousands of fans is ridiculous.

The only way to "deal with it" is by showing them the door.

KOH

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Only put the fulham comparison because they've a sh!t fanbase for Premier League and in a city with loads of teams (as that was your main point :confused: )

So now its new clubs with no history shouldnt be allowed into the league?

Look I'm not disagreeing with ye on the point that theres too many dublin clubs in the Premier League and I would love to see both them and UCD to go down. However ye cant just chuck a team out of the league because they have a poor fanbase, too many teams in the region, no history, etc (or whatever reason like that :eek: !!)

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Bring it on. We'll always be there as we've proven year in year out.

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But of course, seeing as you don't make an effort against lesser-supported teams, you'll spend most of the season in silence...;)

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Originally Posted by Cosmo

However ye cant just chuck a team out of the league because they have a poor fanbase, too many teams in the region, no history, etc (or whatever reason like that :eek: !!)

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St James Gate.

KOH

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

St James Gate.

KOH

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Well to be honest I never knew the politics of why they left the league so I cant really comment on it.

It shouldn't be done anyway. Thats my point.

They went broke.

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Am not attacking CHF for getting into the league. It was the league clubs at the time who voted them in who are to blame.

KOH

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Guys - PLEASE try to understand the history of what happened. There was NO vote to accept Harm Farm Evertoin into the league as a new team in 1995. Seery registered them as a name change - that's all.

Therefore, there was nothing for the league clubs to vote on !! They DIDN'T vote them in !!

I know I really shouldn't add to this silly thread but...

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Originally Posted by Breifne

The entity now known as Dublin City... (Ronan Seery... decided to go it alone as Home Farm Everton) was established at this point

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So is Continuity Home Farm Everton an acceptable nickname then?

NY Hoop: There are no country clubs looking to enter the league to replace anyone. Mayo and Kerry's teams are reducing their involvement in the last couple of years.

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Originally Posted by Schumi

NY Hoop: There are no country clubs looking to enter the league to replace anyone. Mayo and Kerry's teams are reducing their involvement in the last couple of years.

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How do you know that for sure? Also I only gave those 2 as examples.


KOH

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

How do you know that for sure? Also I only gave those 2 as examples.KOH

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Excatly - you just don't know.

For a start, the 2 Mullingar teams (Athletic and Town) have made noises in the past about joining, and Athletic went up-against Kildare County for the slot in 2003. How do you know they're still not interested 3yrs later ?

Would you have thought anyone wanted to join the league in 2003 ? I bet not. But when the chance arose, 2 clubs did. So why are you so confident now ?

There was an article in the Derry Journal at Christmas about a consortium of local businessmen who want to see senior football in Letterkenny (consistently Ireland's, and one of Europe's, fastest growing towns). They'd rather do it by relocating Finn Harps - but as Harps seem intent upon staying in a village in the middle of nowhere, they are prepared to go it alone instead with a fresh application to the league if required. Reportedly they're now looking at relocating Fanad United - a highly successful junior club- to Letterkenny as part of their strategy in this.

How can you be so sure that there aren't clubs interested ? The above suggests that there is, and you never really know until you ask....

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=32205

Well Mayo have no uder 21 team anymore so that would be an indication that they may not be interested in joining the eL!

Here's an idea, why don't NY Hoop and DCFCSteve put a proposal together and try and run the eL themselves? They obviously know so much about how the league and other clubs should be run. I know that I and many more of my pompous, self reighteous sh1t blowing friends would be more than happy to elect them. Soon the league could have such a wonderful fixture list, containing mouth-watering ties like Shamrock Rovers Vs Derry City, Derry City Vs Shamrock Rovers, Rovers Vs Bohs, Bohs Vs Rovers, Derry City Vs Duine Eile, Mulingar Under 12's Vs Shelbourne, Mayo League Ladies Vs St Pats etc

Two focking geniuses we have on our hands here lads...

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Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Bring it on. We'll always be there as we've proven year in year out.

KOH

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you haven't been in the first division . we'll see how many supporters you have next year.

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Originally Posted by Ringo

you haven't been in the first division . we'll see how many supporters you have next year.

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We sure will.

Here's a bet for you, we'll have higher home attendances than you next season and we'll bring waaaaaaay more to away games than you do. A bet I'd be very confident of winning because it doesn't matter what division Dublin City are in no one gives a flying one. Our hardcore, on the other hand, will be there week in week out.

KOH