CL & UEFA Cup Draw Official Thread

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Originally Posted by ShelsTim

The arrogance is mainly based on the Setanta Cup. The NI teams played well enough, granted, but any eL team in form would walk over them. If Shels don't improve their form they will lose, but on an off-day I would expect a win.

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Don't be overconfident. The three NI teams all three had better results than the three EL teams, just look at the results and goals scored. Blaming it on our summer league could be the case if Linfield one but the other two did not well, if all three of them outplayed the three ROI participants it may be a real indication that the leagues are much closer to each other than taken.

I saw the NI cup final, level was not that great because Ports overpowered Larne, but then again certainly not less than some EL games I've seen.

Shels are favourites, but if we think we will easily push Glens aside we're making a bad mistake: underestamating. it will be a close one I fear...

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Shels should beat Glentoran, with the main reason for that being that the NI league doesn't start until September, it seems. Can see a win in Dublin and a draw in Belfast.

Longford should beat Carmarthen - again, Welsh side out of season, so hopefully a win and a draw there.

Cork v. Ekranes is a tough one. Ekranes top of the league by nine points from the team who's won the last five leagues... Still, Cork have shown they can beat decent teams in mid-season (Malmö), so maybe a win each here, with Cork to shade it. Longford being seeded and Cork not has worked out well, as I don't think Longford would have won through in the same tie.

That'd be 4 points, or a coefficient of 1.333 - matching last year with all three clubs through to the next round. Probably optimistic - law of averages says one club is going to fall - but decent draws all the same.

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Shels will have it tough against Glentoran, I don't think it's a good draw for them. It's a derby match, it'll attract adverse publicity, and they will find it intimidating up there with the timing of the game, and so on. It will be close, but Shels might edge it with the return game at home.

Cork won't have it easy against the Lithuanians who will be in-season also, and match-fit. Again the second leg at home may prove decisive for them, if they do well away. Don't know about Longford tbh. You never know which Longford will turn up, the side who wins cups, or the one that surrenders meekly to the perennially weakest side in all European competitions; i.e. unfit part-timers from the Swiss SECOND division. If they can't beat them, then they probably won't beat a Welsh team either.

As for Gerrit the globe-trekker, he was quite prepared to dodge gunmen, bombers, and shariah laws in Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Kazachstan, so he must be the only person in Ireland who's wetting himself over the prospect of a trip to... Romania. :rolleyes: As dull and boring as it gets.
Cue history lesson on the inhabitants of all the above countries. Before you start, I and other posters here are really not interested. We only want to see our European representatives progress, not to be told that in x place 100 years ago, there were..................... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by mypost

As for Gerrit the globe-trekker, he was quite prepared to dodge gunmen, bombers, and shariah laws in Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Kazachstan, so he must be the only person in Ireland who's wetting himself over the prospect of a trip to... Romania. :rolleyes: As dull and boring as it gets.
Cue history lesson on the inhabitants of all the above countries. Before you start, I and other posters here are really not interested. We only want to see our European representatives progress, not to be told that in x place 100 years ago, there were..................... :rolleyes:

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Fair enough, all I did however was telling my opinion, which I'm entitled to. I don't think the opinion was in any way offensive.

And yes, i look forward to going to Romania. Never been there, and both Steaua and their home city look quite interesting. I do look forward to it yeah.

I also like to see Shels progress, believe me. I just say there are things I find even more important. Think it's not forbidden to prefer football romantics rather than bare results ?

shels can give glens the biggest monkeying they ever got in Europe and win both legs. We have a far better team and the summer league is a big advantage no doubt about it.

The N.I league is a poor cousin of the E.L (and thats saying something). Shels never took the Setanta Cup seriously but Europe means far more to Shels than any northern club.

We need to go for 2 wins out of 2 for our co-efficients. It is more than possible.

I think it will be ok to play in belfast on the 13th July but we beat them 2 or 3 nill i expect a few bricks thrown at our bus on the way home with the PSNI looking on doing nothing.

The 2nd round qualifer is going to be one tough cookie. I dont know if we can realistically beat them. It would be magnificant to get into the 3rd round again !!

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

shels can give glens the biggest monkeying they ever got in Europe and win both legs. We have a far better team and the summer league is a big advantage no doubt about it.

The N.I league is a poor cousin of the E.L (and thats saying something). Shels never took the Setanta Cup seriously but Europe means far more to Shels than any northern club.

We need to go for 2 wins out of 2 for our co-efficients. It is more than possible.

I think it will be ok to play in belfast on the 13th July but we beat them 2 or 3 nill i expect a few bricks thrown at our bus on the way home with the PSNI looking on doing nothing.

The 2nd round qualifer is going to be one tough cookie. I dont know if we can realistically beat them. It would be magnificant to get into the 3rd round again !!

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There's an air of 'Linfield' about this post which, like most of their ramblings, is based on an over-inflated sense of self-importance.

Why don't you hold your hands up and accept that despite all the arrogant postruing prior to Setanta, your team were a not the 'world-beaters' people were half-expecting? I think, unlike some EL fans, IL fans see Shels for what they really are - a small club who have been bankrolled to a few trophies in recent years and therefore have no fear when playing them.

And I'm looking forward to this "biggest ever monkeying" being handed out next month. Let's not forget, Glens have only ceased playing 6 weeks ago and after a three week break have been training four nights/week with pre-seasons starting this Saturday. If Linfield can roll over Shels in their own back yard, I can't see why we - despite the mitigating factors just listed - can nick the draw I think we'll just need after a narrow win at our place. Of course, it could go the other way because that's how close the sides really are.

And how does Europe "mean far more to Shels than any Northern club"? What, you stumble through a couple of rounds in one year and that qualifies you as some sort of local Euro flag-bearers? B.oll.oc.ks!. I suspect that European qualification means as much to you as it does to me or fans of any other club in the hat. Ditto players and club, especially for Glentoran FC - a club with a European pedigree, Shels can only dream of.

And I take umbrage at your "stone throwing" allegations. Will there be a 'special welcoming party' - like Blues had - when we play in Tolka? Seriously, leave this sort of doom-mongering to the likes of Tony Fearon and let's enjoy the occasion for what it is - the respective holders of the Irish League and Eircom League titles going head-to-head in the Europe's top competiton.

Oh, and Glens to win narrowly :p

what a load of cóck. obviously you havent a clue.

Nothing is a subtitue for competitve games. You can do all the training you want but it doesnt make up for playing matches that count. Same goes for friendiles.. they are all meaningless.

Your out of season and were starting to gell together.

Our squad is far better than anyone in Glentoran FC. There is no substitute for class !

Glentoran play in a mickey mouse league with only 2 or possible 3 teams of any 1/2 merit. I wouldnt inflate Glentoran FC to "pedigree".

I hope we make a real example of Glentoran.

The setanta cup was in its first year. Shels only had a new team, we were at pre-season so I wouldnt read too much into that.


We might as well be playing in Bagdad but , we will go ,

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

what a load of cóck. obviously you havent a clue.

Nothing is a subtitue for competitve games. You can do all the training you want but it doesnt make up for playing matches that count. Same goes for friendiles.. they are all meaningless.

Your out of season and were starting to gell together.

Our squad is far better than anyone in Glentoran FC. There is no substitute for class !

Glentoran play in a mickey mouse league with only 2 or possible 3 teams of any 1/2 merit. I wouldnt inflate Glentoran FC to "pedigree".

I hope we make a real example of Glentoran.

The setanta cup was in its first year. Shels only had a new team, we were at pre-season so I wouldnt read too much into that.


We might as well be playing in Bagdad but , we will go ,

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Let's look at it another way. We were at the tail end of our season, going for a bigger prize, 50-odd games already played and we have to play these 'irritating' cup games midweek. So I "wouldn't read too much into that" either .... jaysus, I'm beginning to sound like you with a litany of excuses and evasions.

Erm, of course we're out of season and there is no substitute for competitive games which is why I used the term "mitigating factors". :rolleyes:

Suggest that you have a limited grasp of reality, son.

"Bagdad" (sic) comment duly noted. :rolleyes:

at the end of the day, shels are going to win this tie. Be it over the two legs or in both games. You have nobody :D

this is quite entertaining! please feel free to continue!!! ;)

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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

shels can give glens the biggest monkeying they ever got in Europe and win both legs. We have a far better team and the summer league is a big advantage no doubt about it.

The N.I league is a poor cousin of the E.L (and thats saying something). Shels never took the Setanta Cup seriously but Europe means far more to Shels than any northern club.

We need to go for 2 wins out of 2 for our co-efficients. It is more than possible.

I think it will be ok to play in belfast on the 13th July but we beat them 2 or 3 nill i expect a few bricks thrown at our bus on the way home with the PSNI looking on doing nothing.

The 2nd round qualifer is going to be one tough cookie. I dont know if we can realistically beat them. It would be magnificant to get into the 3rd round again !!

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You not taking the Eircom League seriously at the moment then, or that Cup competition Derry trashed you in???

You are a complete and utter arrogant arsehole, I pity you and your heritage-less, history-less, root-less club.

Haha. Even IL fans hate shel$ as much as the rest of the island now.

:eek:

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Originally Posted by steveyg2004

You not taking the Eircom League seriously at the moment then, or that Cup competition Derry trashed you in???

You are a complete and utter arrogant arsehole, I pity you and your heritage-less, history-less, root-less club.

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The force is strong in this one. :)

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Originally Posted by pete

Longford have underperformed in Europe especially at home. TNS will be even minnows to Longford. TNS is so small not even on the map ;)

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Just out of interest, we're playing TNS in a friendly on Tuesday. Might give some indication as to what Longford are facing.

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Originally Posted by steveyg2004

You not taking the Eircom League seriously at the moment then, or that Cup competition Derry trashed you in???

You are a complete and utter arrogant arsehole, I pity you and your heritage-less, history-less, root-less club.

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Of course were taking the league seriously, its just that we bought so many new players and its taking a while to jell. There seems a bit of a hangover from last season as well.

Your obviously a bitter man who is going to be very sore when Shels rip Glentoran apart. I wont be able to see the match unfortuntely as I will be away.

Jolly - Stop given Shels a worse name than they already have when you haven't even been to Tolka yet.

LOL EB. Really your incredibly funny :D :D :D :D

What matches have you been to? How did the match pan out? I'm pretty certain you've never been to Tolka.

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Originally Posted by pete

Haha. Even IL fans hate shel$ as much as the rest of the island now.

:eek:

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Even worse, I don't feel anything for them ....

PS; we're taking carload to the match on Friday evening (just to check out these European galacticos).

Where would be the best place to sit? In with the likes of da jolly rodge or in with our fellow brits?

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Originally Posted by Lux Interior

Even worse, I don't feel anything for them ....

PS; we're taking carload to the match on Friday evening (just to check out these European galacticos).

Where would be the best place to sit? In with the likes of da jolly rodge or in with our fellow brits?

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The Main stand(the one on the Richmond road) or ballybough end(the one with no roof) if it's a good day,Go down into the bar before and make yourselves known,they'll give youse a good welcome.

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Originally Posted by D2 Red

The Main stand(the one on the Richmond road) or ballybough end(the one with no roof) if it's a good day,Go down into the bar before and make yourselves known,they'll give youse a good welcome.

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Cheers D2.

I understand some of you may be apprehensive about travelling up north for the first leg. There'll be a few of us starting early (shandies) on that day and if any of you guys fancy a pint or several, you'll be more than welcome.

We'll not be in any bars of, shall we say, a 'loyalist persuasion'.

Yes guys, hopefully a few make it up for a few pints before the game, you'll not get any hassle with us!

I shall hopefully be with Lux next week if all goes to plan, if we are in the home end we shall come down to the bar (probably not leave it :p ). Would I be ok in a Glentoran polo shirt or would we be better neutral?