The 'Kenny Shiels is quite the interesting character' thread.

What's new is the level of investment and the change of business model where the 1st team are funded by other club projects rather than the spoils of 1st team success driving/financing the rest of the clubs activities. Scholarships are not new; its the changes made by Ruud Dokkter with the additional national underage leagues thats easing the path for LoI clubs to properly and fully be involved in player development from early age that makes such projects viable, so timing is uncannily spot on by Rovers.

What Rovers are doing is laudable and sensible too but everything is rosier and sparkles brighter when its done by Rovers no matter what others do or have done before. A reinvented Rovers wheel would be much better than than those that ever went before dont you know!!!;)

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Funny, according to his previous manager he played in goal - but like most keepers always wanted to play out field (often for last 10 minutes of matches). check your facts before calling out others (or just carry on talking out your arse).

For years / decades clubs (Home Farm, UCD etc. ) provided pathways for young players to develop to LOI and beyond, the difference was they don't talk through their ass about 'projects'. only the self grandiose hoops think sticking a title on it makes it new or innovative. Every club seeks to develop its own players irrespective of age or resale value. What else would they do ? surely even you can get that ?

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Jeez you ha e it bad. Rovers have done a lot more than stick a name on it, you should pop over to roadstone to see the facilities and visit ashfield college while your at it.
St Kevin's have tied in to you boys at the point of a gun when the other teams wouldn't allow them play on their own, now st kevins/ bohs with alternating kits is your set up......and you are having a pop at us???
And the best st Kevin's kids are leaving to come to rovers anyway........

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

Jeez you ha e it bad. Rovers have done a lot more than stick a name on it, you should pop over to roadstone to see the facilities and visit ashfield college while your at it.
St Kevin's have tied in to you boys at the point of a gun when the other teams wouldn't allow them play on their own, now st kevins/ bohs with alternating kits is your set up......and you are having a pop at us???
And the best st Kevin's kids are leaving to come to rovers anyway........

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Really? Thats sums up the possessive nature of people in Irish football in so many ways. St Kevins should be happy and willing to have progression to the elite level of football in this country for the benefit of their players. If individuals were making personal income at the likes of St Kevins from player sales you'd understand their protectionism. Other than that jersey colour etc shouldnt be such a big deal!

200% right but Kevin's business model is to throw 15 year old kids over to England on 150 euros a week knowing 90% of them will fail, but what the hell they sent x number of kids to England. 5 or 10k and they are happy and the English clubs are happy to pay 50k for 10 players and keep the 1 good guy. They fought tooth and nail to be allowed enter there own teams in the underage leagues , fair play to the fai in the end for making the right call.
Fully expect Kevin's to enter a team in the first division ditch bohs and for the cost of running 1 senior team of all amateurs to have their own gig.

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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

All well and good pointing at players who have come and gone, but the underage structure at Derry is about 90% Donegal players. And not even just Inishowen, but as far as Letterkenny, Ramelton and Ballybofey. I've seen and heard of players getting texts from people within Donegal Schoolboys, having a link with Derry City, who have been told not to sign for Finn Harps and go to Derry instead. They don't want to have to deal with international clearance for young players twice a year. I think that's the big issue.

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No problem there, and btw that is a great compliment to Kenny Shiels.

One of his reiterated statements of intent when he arrived at Derry was that the club should be seeking to recruit the best young players from all of Derry, Tyrone, and Donegal, and indeed further afield so good to hear that is working in areas.

We are the primary club (i.e biggest) in close proximity to all of those areas and it should be one of the clubs top priorities to become the desired "go-to" destination for young players from Donegal, Fermanagh, Tyrone, Derry and across Ulster. We are proven as a better route to high level professional football than any other club in the north and should be selling ourselves across the province accordingly.

Recruiting heavily from Donegal is not where the problem lies, it is being able to match that level of recruitment in our own city.

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

Jeez you ha e it bad. Rovers have done a lot more than stick a name on it, you should pop over to roadstone to see the facilities and visit ashfield college while your at it.
St Kevin's have tied in to you boys at the point of a gun when the other teams wouldn't allow them play on their own, now st kevins/ bohs with alternating kits is your set up......and you are having a pop at us???
And the best st Kevin's kids are leaving to come to rovers anyway........

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As opposed to sticking a new name on Tallaght Town you mean ? Oh, and thanks for disproving the 'hoovering up other clubs players' in your last sentence. Ashfield College ? if only UCD had ever thought of providing scholarships... oh wait. but.....but shams is different :rolleyes:
for the record I wasn't having a go at shams, any development for underage players is to be welcomed I was laughing at the way they think its something new - not unlike trailing around 'advising' clubs on a members owned model after they 'discovered' the concept .Hopefully this experiment lasts longer than that one did.

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

Fully expect Kevin's to enter a team in the first division ditch bohs and for the cost of running 1 senior team of all amateurs to have their own gig.

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Didn't Kevin's try this at the very beginning of the national underage leagues but they didnt have a hope because there was already too many Dublin clubs?

I don't think they actually formally applied , could be wrong they had hoped to be let continue at under 15s they don't have much interest beyond that. Joeys taking over bray is a real sickener for them as they see joeys , cherry orchard and rovers as their underage rivals. I would expect they will try to get into the first division as the shotgun marriage to bohs adds nothing for them.
Kevin's are a powerhouse in the schoolboy world but have zero interest in any kid older then 16

They were told they wouldn’t be accepted if they did apply and that forced them to start talking seriously to Bohs.

Fair enough , I wonder how cabinteely got accepted??
Possibly a timing thing, I guess they got under the wire when the FAI were desperate for teams for the first division.

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

As opposed to sticking a new name on Tallaght Town you mean ? Oh, and thanks for disproving the 'hoovering up other clubs players' in your last sentence. Ashfield College ? if only UCD had ever thought of providing scholarships... oh wait. but.....but shams is different :rolleyes:
for the record I wasn't having a go at shams, any development for underage players is to be welcomed I was laughing at the way they think its something new - not unlike trailing around 'advising' clubs on a members owned model after they 'discovered' the concept .Hopefully this experiment lasts longer than that one did.

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A full merger is a completely different thing to the deal Bohs have with Kevin's. Rovers have similar deals to the one Bohs have with Kevin's with Templeogue, Lucan United, Corduff F.C. and Kildare District Underage League but you don't see their crests on the national league teams kits. Even at that those deals differ in that these are effectively feeder clubs whereas Bohs team is just Kevins under a slightly different name.

Well the Rovers scholarships are second level UCD's are third level so yeah pretty different :rolleyes:

Hey RH go easy on him he's a bohs fan , how's he supposed to know what 3rd level is ?

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

Hey RH go easy on him he's a bohs fan , how's he supposed to know what 3rd level is ?

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All we need now is for the cavalry to arrive and Eat Your Greens to opine on the stellar quality of the humour.

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Originally Posted by sbgawa

Hey RH go easy on him he's a bohs fan , how's he supposed to know what 3rd level is ?

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Rivers fans get lost before 2nd level. What's 4% of something ?

You're all ruining the Kenny Shiels is mental thread.

According to KS "Derry are quite similar to Dundalk in the way they play"

Has he completely flipped or is he even aware of the number of goals they concede?

Maybe he means Dundalk in Europe?

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

According to KS "Derry are quite similar to Dundalk in the way they play"

Has he completely flipped or is he even aware of the number of goals they concede?

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11 players ? 1 goal keeper ? all on the pitch trying to kick the ball ? sure, they are near identical :cool:

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

According to KS "Derry are quite similar to Dundalk in the way they play"

Has he completely flipped or is he even aware of the number of goals they concede?

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I actually agree with him on that one.
We do (try to) play football in roughly the same style as Dundalk. We're just not very good at it, that's all.

KS was playing Football Manager and hit the “storm out” button in this interview with Radio Foyle

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/45942754

Does not come across well there at all. Bizarre responses and frankly his “well done Einstein” comment to a journalist asking what were really quite simple questions was pathetic.