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04/08/2011, 12:56 PM
paul_oshea

Ive gotten emails from mates(normally get them :D) who wouldn't ever mentione LOI to me really, as they wouldn't have any interest yet teh same tone is coming from all of them "cant believe what pats are at". For those who don't read forums/whatever they all seem to believe pats are the problem and not the players...anyway back to the old of the only publicity the league gets is bad publicity.
04/08/2011, 12:57 PM
Straightstory

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Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

That gilhooly seems like a complete tool.

That's the main thing we've learnt from this sorry saga. (Comedy name; strange Lord Mayor-like chain around the neck; 'Liverpool fanatic'.)
04/08/2011, 12:58 PM
sullanefc

I hope the Pats fans give the players dogs of abuse tonight and don't cheer any goals scored.
04/08/2011, 1:00 PM
born2bwild

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Originally Posted by Ceirtlis

Seriously what kind of **** is this fella. Deluded legal profession *******.

Pats players demands are like shop workers going into the boss looking for a bonus because extra money has come through the tills. Presumably they would be willing to give the club a bonus if their underperformance was leading to lower crowds and prize money.

More money is coming through the 'tills' - who should get it? The board? The players should have first shout since they're the ones making it happen on the pitch. Just because workers don't ask for extra doesn't mean they shouldn't.
04/08/2011, 1:01 PM
born2bwild

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Originally Posted by sullanefc

I hope the Pats fans give the players dogs of abuse tonight and don't cheer any goals scored.

Even Karpaty's?
04/08/2011, 1:01 PM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by harleyleeds

doesnt seem to hard for you zek but I stand by my assertions that players in european games should be rewarded extra (bonus) for them. You want to do well in europe but expect players to play these games as if they were a local one instead of offering incentitives and bonuses . very small minded indeed. if you make extra money for your boss you get a bonus thats worldwide ,except for ireland where if you screw the people you get the bonus . ie your pols and bankers but these players who get mickey mouse money you begrudge a bonus even though they are earning you extra. why should they bother trying to qualify next year if it only means extra games for no extra pay.

Who is begrudging the players a bonus?

According to media reports St Pats agreed a package with them for the first round and made an offer for subsequent rounds.

After the behaviour of the players and PFAI I NOW begrudge them a single red cent and hope they end up as LoI outcasts.

This is the real point:

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Originally Posted by dong

The issue here is about whether these players are holding Pats to ransom over money that was never due to them.
Nothing to do with the pros and cons of bonuses. Why are some people on here so retarded?
04/08/2011, 1:04 PM
sullanefc

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Originally Posted by born2bwild

Even Karpaty's?

Obviously they wouldn't cheer for the other team, but the silent treatment for any SPA goals would be apt. Prob won't happen but it will be an interesting atmosphere.
04/08/2011, 1:04 PM
Real ale Madrid

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Originally Posted by born2bwild

More money is coming through the 'tills' - who should get it? The board? The players should have first shout since they're the ones making it happen on the pitch. Just because workers don't ask for extra doesn't mean they shouldn't.

I can think of a thousand ways Pats would probably put that money to good use. Instead of throwing it away on bonus payments that were never due.
04/08/2011, 1:05 PM
Mr A

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Originally Posted by born2bwild

More money is coming through the 'tills' - who should get it? The board? The players should have first shout since they're the ones making it happen on the pitch. Just because workers don't ask for extra doesn't mean they shouldn't.

WTF?

Players are some of the few people who make money out of the LOI. Boards generally work their arses off and plough their time and money into a club because they love their club. So if I had to decide- I'd go with boards every time. Yes plenty of them have made feck ups down the years but without them there'd be no LOI. And the idea that 'the board' would get the money is ridiculous anyway.. chances are it'll be reinvested straight back into the club.
04/08/2011, 1:06 PM
harleyleeds

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

They were getting extra pay. Their issue was over how much.

in that case appologies as i read they were only getting expenses ,food etc.
04/08/2011, 1:06 PM
Ezeikial

Quote:

Originally Posted by born2bwild

More money is coming through the 'tills' - who should get it? The board? The players should have first shout since they're the ones making it happen on the pitch. Just because workers don't ask for extra doesn't mean they shouldn't.

Creditors.
04/08/2011, 1:12 PM
WoodquayBoy

Someone found the codes to (temporarily) defuse the bomb
4 August 2011
STATEMENT FROM THE PLAYERS OF ST PATRICK�S ATHLETIC FOOTBALL CLUB
Following discussions between our representative Stephen McGuinness of the PFAI, Fran Gavin of the FAI, and a club official, we can confirm that we have reached an agreement this afternoon with the club in relation to our requests.
We never expected this matter to go as far as it did, and we would like to thank our club�s fans for their support during this time. We have never lost focus on tonight�s game and are very much looking forward to this evening�s encounter with FC Karpaty Lviv
END
PFAI
Room 214 Players' Union Offices
National Sports Campus
Abbotstown
Dublin 15
Ireland
Tel +353 1 899 9350
Fax +353 1 899 9351
Email info@pfai.ie
Website www.pfai.ie
04/08/2011, 1:12 PM
harleyleeds

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Who is begrudging the players a bonus?

According to media reports St Pats agreed a package with them for the first round and made an offer for subsequent rounds.

After the behaviour of the players and PFAI I NOW begrudge them a single red cent and hope they end up as LoI outcasts.

This is the real point:

only because it agrees with your point but i agree that the timing is bad however if you want future performance treat your players fairly . How can these players be expected to perform in the league after this.
04/08/2011, 1:13 PM
born2bwild

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Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid

I can think of a thousand ways Pats would probably put that money to good use. Instead of throwing it away on bonus payments that were never due.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr A

WTF?

Players are some of the few people who make money out of the LOI. Boards generally work their arses off and plough their time and money into a club because they love their club. So if I had to decide- I'd go with boards every time. Yes plenty of them have made feck ups down the years but without them there'd be no LOI. And the idea that 'the board' would get the money is ridiculous anyway.. chances are it'll be reinvested straight back into the club.

Hmmm....there goes my argument, then.
04/08/2011, 1:20 PM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy

Someone found the codes to (temporarily) defuse the bomb
4 August 2011
STATEMENT FROM THE PLAYERS OF ST PATRICK’S ATHLETIC FOOTBALL CLUB
Following discussions between our representative Stephen McGuinness of the PFAI, Fran Gavin of the FAI, and a club official, we can confirm that we have reached an agreement this afternoon with the club in relation to our requests.
We never expected this matter to go as far as it did, and we would like to thank our club’s fans for their support during this time. We have never lost focus on tonight’s game and are very much looking forward to this evening’s encounter with FC Karpaty Lviv
END
PFAI
Room 214 Players' Union Offices
National Sports Campus
Abbotstown
Dublin 15
Ireland
Tel +353 1 899 9350
Fax +353 1 899 9351
Email info@pfai.ie
Website www.pfai.ie

Have St. Pat's fans been standing by the players? As for claiming not to have lost focus, I'm not sure how that stands against a declaration to boycott the entire thing about three hours ago...
04/08/2011, 1:21 PM
Ezeikial

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Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy

4 August 2011
STATEMENT FROM THE PLAYERS OF ST PATRICK�S ATHLETIC FOOTBALL CLUB
Following discussions between our representative Stephen McGuinness of the PFAI, Fran Gavin of the FAI, and a club official, we can confirm that we have reached an agreement this afternoon with the club in relation to our requests.
We never expected this matter to go as far as it did, and we would like to thank our club�s fans for their support during this time. We have never lost focus on tonight�s game and are very much looking forward to this evening�s encounter with FC Karpaty Lviv
END
PFAI
Room 214 Players' Union Offices
National Sports Campus
Abbotstown
Dublin 15
Ireland
Tel +353 1 899 9350
Fax +353 1 899 9351
Email info@pfai.ie
Website www.pfai.ie

What bull$****.

Fans support? Is there any evidence of this?

Never lost focus on tonights game? WTF - you guys said you would not play in it!
04/08/2011, 1:22 PM
dfx-

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Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy

We have never lost focus on tonight’s game and are very much looking forward to this evening’s encounter with FC Karpaty Lviv

Except for not planning on playing..
04/08/2011, 1:25 PM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by harleyleeds

doesnt seem to hard for you zek but I stand by my assertions that players in european games should be rewarded extra (bonus) for them. You want to do well in europe but expect players to play these games as if they were a local one instead of offering incentitives and bonuses . very small minded indeed. if you make extra money for your boss you get a bonus thats worldwide ,except for ireland where if you screw the people you get the bonus . ie your pols and bankers but these players who get mickey mouse money you begrudge a bonus even though they are earning you extra. why should they bother trying to qualify next year if it only means extra games for no extra pay.

The "incentive" is they get paid and keep their job :rolleyes:. Its quite a popular incentive scheme outside football as well I believe. Players (along with anyone else) are entitled to negotiate a bonus for success and/orincreased efficency/productivity but the manner in which they went about it in this case is completely unacceptable.
04/08/2011, 1:25 PM
passerrby

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Originally Posted by born2bwild

More money is coming through the 'tills' - who should get it? The board? The players should have first shout since they're the ones making it happen on the pitch. Just because workers don't ask for extra doesn't mean they shouldn't.

clubs like st pats need the injection of european football to pay debts. to assume the tills are ringing is silly every penny will be earmarked for creditors,players wages,expenses and all the other things that a club needs to survive.
players imo did themselves and pats, fans (and the league) a disservice.
04/08/2011, 1:30 PM
marinobohs

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Have St. Pat's fans been standing by the players? As for claiming not to have lost focus, I'm not sure how that stands against a declaration to boycott the entire thing about three hours ago...

..... could be one of the very occassions that the board at a club will hope the team do NOT make it through - imagine they made the group stage :o (all those extra games)

Could be a very short term "victory" for the PFAI if this is how they go about their business

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