Simon Cox (F Western Sydney Wanderers b.1987)

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I think the key difference here is how ireland has gone about to try and ensure that these feel welcome and are integrated into society. These have seen the adverse effects of mass emigration to certain spots of the UK and tried to ensure that doesn't happen in ireland.

Another big thing is the immigrants in Ireland moved all over the country, to little towns and villages working in shops, hotels, on building sites etc. In a small town it is very difficult not to integrate or to become known amongst the locals, especially the way irish people are.

I feel all this will help integrate the offspring of these immigrants and make them feel as Irish as seamus o'shea.

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Whats that Tommy T joke about how the Irish invade a place? First one Irish couple arrive, nice and quiet barely noticed, then all of a sudden, a few months later theres 40 Irish in the place. Its alot more funny that the way I just wrote it.

Where Im originally from in Cork, there was a sizeable influx of Brazilian lads working in the local factory a few years back. They integrated with the 'classy' Irish women in the town particularly well, so much that the under 10 football team at home is now full of half Brazilians.

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Originally Posted by elroy

Whats that Tommy T joke about how the Irish invade a place? First one Irish couple arrive, nice and quiet barely noticed, then all of a sudden, a few months later theres 40 Irish in the place. Its alot more funny that the way I just wrote it..

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unlike the english, we dont invade - we infest... an irish lad arrives in the States armed with only a suitcase and a phone number...

something to that effect

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Originally Posted by SkStu

unlike the english, we dont invade - we infest... an irish lad arrives in the States armed with only a suitcase and a phone number...

something to that effect

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we don't breed like we used to though :(

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Originally Posted by yapster

There is no such thing as an Irish born foreigner, if you are born & bred on the Island of Ireland you are Irish regardless of color or creed!!

Yes if people of Irish descent feel they are Irish then they are Irish. I accept that 2nd generation Irish should be entitled to play for their parents country but the granny thing is taking the ****.

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I just love these racial purists who pop their heads up every now and again. Let me ask you Yapster - how do you define who's Irish and who's not? I mean you are the sole authority on the subject, aren't you?

You will give preference to someone born in Ireland of say (for example, Bosnian, Romanian, Nigerian or Moroccan parents). You will call them Irish, yet you will shut the door to the grandkids of people (who were actually born in Ireland and lived there for decades)?

Gets sort of complicated doesn't it when you start drawing lines on heritage? Just let the Irish Passport Office decide will you. They know what they're doing.


Sorry guys for a rant which has little to do with the game, but just can't sit here and listen to the crap.

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Originally Posted by yapster

The Jack Charlton years were a joke and a disgrace to international football with this grannyrule. Owen Coyle & Bernie Slavin & o'Cascarino ffs. The influx of all these people from foreign lands will enhance Irish sport and who knows Ireland may get a decent Heavyweight boxer out of it.

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why do you say that? plenty of people who are 3G irish are pround of their irish roots.. yes there was some notable exceptions as you mentioned but on the whole its a worthwhile rule considering our diaspora. Do you hold the italian national teams use of this rule in similar disgrace??

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Originally Posted by Larssonisghod

why do you say that? plenty of people who are 3G irish are pround of their irish roots.. yes there was some notable exceptions as you mentioned but on the whole its a worthwhile rule considering our diaspora. Do you hold the italian national teams use of this rule in similar disgrace??

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dont bother with that bloke

Razor - if Yappy had his way you would have to change your name:eek:

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

dont bother with that bloke

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why? is he well known for those kinda statements? new here so best to know who to watch out for :) :)

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Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia

Razor - if Yappy had his way you would have to change your name:eek:

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Haha well spotted, just goes to show what a joke that way of thinking is

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Originally Posted by Larssonisghod

why? is he well known for those kinda statements? new here so best to know who to watch out for :) :)

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yeah he just appeared recently and took over every thread with statements designed just to wind people. Ive been sucked in a few times but its best to just ignore :)

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

yeah he just appeared recently and took over every thread with statements designed just to wind people. Ive been sucked in a few times but its best to just ignore :)

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i know the type:).. reminds me of a guy i know who actually goes to most games, home and away.
Unless you and your parents are born in the 26, well then your not irish. Idiot!

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Originally Posted by yapster

There are 32 counties my good man...Born on the Island of Ireland makes you Irish son regardless of religion or color :cool:

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I think that's the point he's making.

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Originally Posted by mark12345

I just love these racial purists who pop their heads up every now and again. Let me ask you Yapster - how do you define who's Irish and who's not? I mean you are the sole authority on the subject, aren't you?

You will give preference to someone born in Ireland of say (for example, Bosnian, Romanian, Nigerian or Moroccan parents). You will call them Irish, yet you will shut the door to the grandkids of people (who were actually born in Ireland and lived there for decades)?

Gets sort of complicated doesn't it when you start drawing lines on heritage? Just let the Irish Passport Office decide will you. They know what they're doing.


Sorry guys for a rant which has little to do with the game, but just can't sit here and listen to the crap.

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I would. If you have only one Irish grandparent, you will not feel Irish. The only time you will think of being Irish is if you are a decent footballer who knows they won't ever make the English team and sees the Irish team as an opportunity for some International football.

In my opinion, the Irish kid with Bosnian or Nigerian parents is much more Irish than someone who is from London but with an Irish name. In fact a Nigerian kid born in Ireland in 1990 is more Irish than me even though I have two Irish parents. I was born outside the country. That Nigerian kid speaks with a Dublin accent and is more culturally immersed in Ireland than I am.

The rule should stop at parents, if someone is happy to be Irish that is great, but sadly I don't want them on the team.

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Originally Posted by yapster

There are 32 counties my good man...Born on the Island of Ireland makes you Irish son regardless of religion or color :cool:

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eh, i should have used quotations.. i wasnt saying that. this idiot i know holds that opinion. similar to thinking you have to live in ireland to be irish!


both of which are wrong.

being irish is so much more than living on this island.. i know plenty of ppl 2nd,3G irish who are more irish that half the idiots at the RDS most friday evenings!

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Originally Posted by irishultra

In my opinion, the Irish kid with Bosnian or Nigerian parents is much more Irish than someone who is from London but with an Irish name. In fact a Nigerian kid born in Ireland in 1990 is more Irish than me even though I have two Irish parents. I was born outside the country. That Nigerian kid speaks with a Dublin accent and is more culturally immersed in Ireland than I am.

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it all depends on how that person views themselves.Europe is so much more than where you are born and live, Wars, economics etc dictate this, Algerians in Paris and Marseille after the game in Paris spring to mind. Plenty of migrants who have come to ireland will declare for their homeland whether that be in north africa or eastern europe. I for one support that becuase that is the community to which they feel they belong. Equally, if someone FEELS irish then ill 100% support that too. but its about choice. McGeady has irish grandparents and feels irish. end of.

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Originally Posted by irishultra

That Nigerian kid speaks with a Dublin accent and is more culturally immersed in Ireland than I am.

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certainly not. an accent doesnt dictate your nationality. thats very insular attitude.

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Originally Posted by irishultra

The rule should stop at parents, if someone is happy to be Irish that is great, but sadly I don't want them on the team.

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a jumped up little austrian had similar views back in the 30s.

redhedandfrecklessupportersclub.

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Originally Posted by Larssonisghod

it all depends on how that person views themselves.Europe is so much more than where you are born and live, Wars, economics etc dictate this, Algerians in Paris and Marseille after the game in Paris spring to mind. Plenty of migrants who have come to ireland will declare for their homeland whether that be in north africa or eastern europe. I for one support that becuase that is the community to which they feel they belong. Equally, if someone FEELS irish then ill 100% support that too. but its about choice. McGeady has irish grandparents and feels irish. end of.

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Ok I'm not so big into multiculturalism, it leads to divide(the north of ireland and the country im born in(belgium) being poignant examples.

its good for immigrants to bring aspects of their culture but they need to consider themselves irish(or whatever nationality) first(this especially in the case of 'old world' countries). i wouldnt want to see future players opt for their parents country over ireland. i respect their choice don't get me wrong but i don't want to see it.

oh and yeah mcgeady but i will say the guy played with ireland since under-14's or something, that is not exactly clinton 'who will i play for?' morrison. i think he should be with scotland but i have no problem with people like him. he showed great charachter and will respect him always for that. he made a difficult decision in choosing ireland, mercenaries like kevin nolan and jamie 'always wanted to play for england but actually i'm prob not good enough' o'hara, no thanks.

it's not black and white i agree, but i have no interest in seeing ireland get good because of a change in a rule allows us to call up people who happen to have irish blood, i'd rather be like san marino.

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Originally Posted by Larssonisghod

eh, i should have used quotations.. i wasnt saying that. this idiot i know holds that opinion. similar to thinking you have to live in ireland to be irish!


both of which are wrong.

being irish is so much more than living on this island.. i know plenty of ppl 2nd,3G irish who are more irish that half the idiots at the RDS most friday evenings!

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there is no such thing as being more irish than someone else. theres no way to be irish. i wasnt born in ireland so i'm less irish than someone who was born there. i was born in belgium, i am more belgian than an american of belgian descent. they are facts.

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Originally Posted by Larssonisghod

certainly not. an accent doesnt dictate your nationality. thats very insular attitude.



a jumped up little austrian had similar views back in the 30s.

redhedandfrecklessupportersclub .

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Hitler would have been all for 3g Germans playing for Germany.

The view that Irish citizens, born abroad, shouldn't be able to play for the team is an interesting one because it's nationalist in the sense that it puts forward an exclusive view of Irishness based strictly on birthplace but is contradictory to traditional Irish nationalism which recognises the right of the children and grandchildren (and further) of emmigrants to identify themselves as Irish. Those who don't recognise 2nd and 3rd generation as Irish should campaign for the right these people have to be Irish citizens to be taken away. This would solve the "problem" of them playing for the Irish football side.

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Originally Posted by irishultra

1. I have no interest in seeing ireland get good because of a change in a rule allows us to call up people who happen to have irish blood.

2. I'd rather be like san marino.

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1. I have & I hope those such as Nolan, O'Hara, Cahill, Noble etc. join us.

2. I wouldn't :(