Roy Keane

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Who did he insult there only Cascarino and he has every right to insult Cascarino. Cascarino comes on TV and radio and when talking about Keane he talks about his character and his personality rather than his ability. This from a guy who led a double life on his wife and is involved in the dodgy world of poker where he has turned up to games blindfolded so he does not know where the game is etc and is taken away in a blindfold.
He did not insult anybody else in that interview you link.

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Please Neil, give the moral high ground BS a rest, Keane essentially assualted a fellow pro in a pre-meditated fashion and ended his career. Your line about Cascarino smacks of Dunphy's laughable insult thrown at Rod Liddle when he dared criticise RK ('I'll tell you who wrote the article Bill, Rod Liddle, the guy who left his wife for a young one!'). Amusing yes but not serious debate.

Cascarino is prefectily entitled to express his opinion on Keane's character when is relevant to issues such as his walk out from Sunderland etc. It was Keane who started this 'fued' in any case with attacks on Cascarino's character once Cascarino was critical of him in a professional context.

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Please Neil, give the moral high ground BS a rest, Keane essentially assualted a fellow pro in a pre-meditated fashion and ended his career. Your line about Cascarino smacks of Dunphy's laughable insult thrown at Rod Liddle when he dared criticise RK ('I'll tell you who wrote the article Bill, Rod Liddle, the guy who left his wife for a young one!'). Amusing yes but not serious debate.

Cascarino is prefectily entitled to express his opinion on Keane's character when is relevant to issues such as his walk out from Sunderland etc. It was Keane who started this 'fued' in any case with attacks on Cascarino's character once Cascarino was critical of him in a professional context.

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I am not defending Roy Keanes actions when he injured Haaland. Disgraceful, absolute thuggery in my view. Cascarino has taken his analysis of Keanes career to his personality and he is rent a quote when it comes to Keane, I wouold nearly think he rings up the media bodies to offer his opinion on him. He had a go at Keanes character and his personality and said that Keane assaulted him in a cublice in Heathrow. What I am saying is, that if Cascarino wants to go down that road, he is on dodgy ground and he is a low life and you can read in his book. Not only that there have been recent incidents that have appeared in the papers also.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2048546.ece

He is out on bail at the moment and this is an alleged assault.


Finally if you think me commenting on the moral high ground, what are you doing when havin a go at Keane for his tackle All opions on someones behaviour is in some way taking the moral high ground.

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Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs

I feel sorry for all the Ipswich fans over here pre-Keano

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I feel sorry for him too

Yeah I know the lad. Lives in Westmeath I think. :)

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Finally if you think me commenting on the moral high ground, what are you doing when havin a go at Keane for his tackle All opions on someones behaviour is in some way taking the moral high ground.

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I was using the Halaand incident as a counter point to your argument about Cascarion's personality, it was purely made to show how ridiculous it was to bring the fact that Cascarino was an adulterer and played cards with some dodgy characters into a discussion about Roy Keane when he's got plenty of unsavoury incidents in his past himself.

Cascarions is paid by The Times and Today FM to name but two media outlets, to suggest he's straight on the phone desperately trying to get his opinion out there as soon as Keane's in the news is farcical.

I don't want to start a debate on this but can someone tell me was Cascarino charged with assaulting his wife/ex wife or were those accusations dismissed?

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

I was using the Halaand incident as a counter point to your argument about Cascarion's personality, it was purely made to show how ridiculous it was to bring the fact that Cascarino was an adulterer and played cards with some dodgy characters into a discussion about Roy Keane when he's got plenty of unsavoury incidents in his past himself.

Cascarions is paid by The Times and Today FM to name but two media outlets, to suggest he's straight on the phone desperately trying to get his opinion out there as soon as Keane's in the news is farcical.

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You can add Sky Sports News and Setanta News too to that that he contributes when something happens with Keanes career.

You dont get it do you. Cascarino comments on Keanes personality and behaviour when it is not relevant and it is like the old expression those in glass houses should not throw stones. If you want to come on to any media outlet that will have you and comment and judge Roy Keanes character, well then you need to be pretty clean yourself. Not lead the life that Cascarino lives.

By the way I am not defending Keane. I am pointing out the double standards and the dodgy ground that Cascarino is standing on when spouting his character judgement of Keane.

It is possible to live in a world, where you dont either hate or love Roy Keane. It seems that people in Ireland struggle with. I would fall into that category where I admired the player but have problems with lots of behaviour.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

You can add Sky Sports News and Setanta News too to that that he contributes when something happens with Keanes career.

You dont get it do you. Cascarino comments on Keanes personality and behaviour when it is not relevant and it is like the old expression those in glass houses should not throw stones. If you want to come on to any media outlet that will have you and comment and judge Roy Keanes character, well then you need to be pretty clean yourself. Not lead the life that Cascarino lives.

By the way I am not defending Keane. I am pointing out the double standards and the dodgy ground that Cascarino is standing on when spouting his character judgement of Keane.

It is possible to live in a world, where you dont either hate or love Roy Keane. It seems that people in Ireland struggle with. I would fall into that category where I admired the player but have problems with lots of behaviour.

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Like it or not, he's a journalist (or columnist at least) now, and as an ex team mate of RK's is going to be asked for his opinion. My point is that it's Keane that's made all the running in this feud, Cascarino has said very little in real terms. The fact is that if, as a manager RK has developed a reputation as a bully who sulks when he doesn't get his own way then someone who has experience of this who works in the media is entitled to comment on it.

You can't compare like with like when talking about journalists and football managers in any case.

And I would have had the utmost admiration for Keane's ability as a player, I just think he's a pretty awful human being.

Nobody mentioned Saipan yet..... whew.
It feels like a long long way back.

Whatever happens in a dressing room should stay in the dressing room
but the Keane intimidation on Cas while he was trying to do his business in the sanctity of the public toilet is fair game for Cas to illustrate the bully in the boy.

http://holyroodpr.files.wordpress.co...ino1.jpg?w=299

Awful human being? Because he made a joke about somebody who had a heart attack? The Haaland incident? You'd think the guy went on a mad raping and killing spree. He's not a saint but he certainly isn't the maniac that some portions of the media portray him to be.

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

Awful human being? Because he made a joke about somebody who had a heart attack? The Haaland incident? You'd think the guy went on a mad raping and killing spree. He's not a saint but he certainly isn't the maniac that some portions of the media portray him to be.

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Well said. My God when you're calling the likes of Roy Keane an awful human being I think it's time to get out more. I have a book at home- The World's most Notorious Men, Stalin, Hitler, Ted Bundy, makes me wonder will Keano be in the updated edition!!

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Originally Posted by BarelyLegal

Well said. My God when you're calling the likes of Roy Keane an awful human being I think it's time to get out more. I have a book at home- The World's most Notorious Men, Stalin, Hitler, Ted Bundy, makes me wonder will Keano be in the updated edition!!

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Ah now he's worse than Hitler , you wouldn't see Hitler making any delibrately career threatening tackles.

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Like it or not, he's a journalist (or columnist at least) now, and as an ex team mate of RK's is going to be asked for his opinion. My point is that it's Keane that's made all the running in this feud, Cascarino has said very little in real terms. The fact is that if, as a manager RK has developed a reputation as a bully who sulks when he doesn't get his own way then someone who has experience of this who works in the media is entitled to comment on it.

You can't compare like with like when talking about journalists and football managers in any case.

And I would have had the utmost admiration for Keane's ability as a player, I just think he's a pretty awful human being.

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Well I have little admiration for Cascarino's ability as a player and I think he is a much worse human being than Roy Keane. I would much rather live my life the way Keane has than the way Cascarino has. I totally disagree that Keane has made most of the running in relation to this. He has offered very little in relation to it. It has been Cascarino who has had loads to say on Keane not the other way around.

Why are journalists allowed to avoid the personal scrutiny that football managers must have.

When I hear or see a journalist writing I always try to find out where they are coming from and what is their agenda and do they fit the criteria that they want the subject of their article to fit.

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

Awful human being? Because he made a joke about somebody who had a heart attack? The Haaland incident? You'd think the guy went on a mad raping and killing spree. He's not a saint but he certainly isn't the maniac that some portions of the media portray him to be.

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Keane may not be an "awful human being" but he clearly lacks class. I am so sick of him now and I think Hughes and Bruce can safely say they have accomplished things, its not all about trophies. At the very least they accomplished not spending 100 million pounds over two years on pretty bad players.

I did not read Cascarino's book and I'm not inclined to comment on his character but I know which of the two was a more dedicated player on the field.

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Originally Posted by geysir

Nobody mentioned Saipan yet..... whew.
It feels like a long long way back.

Whatever happens in a dressing room should stay in the dressing room
but the Keane intimidation on Cas while he was trying to do his business in the sanctity of the public toilet is fair game for Cas to illustrate the bully in the boy.

http://holyroodpr.files.wordpress.co...ino1.jpg?w=299

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Well just like Cascarino's alleged assault on his wife is alleged, this intimidation is alleged and unlike Cascarino's the police are not investigating it.

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Originally Posted by danonion

Keane may not be an "awful human being" but he clearly lacks class. I am so sick of him now and I think Hughes and Bruce can safely say they have accomplished things, its not all about trophies. At the very least they accomplished not spending 100 million pounds over two years on pretty bad players.

I did not read Cascarino's book and I'm not inclined to comment on his character but I know which of the two was a more dedicated player on the field.

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I think you miss the point of Keanes so called attack on Hughes and Bruce. One it was not an attack and he was not saying they were bad managers he was just not falling for the hyperbole that the media wanted to place upon these managers. He would not even classify himself anywhere near these two guys at the moment in relation to experience and achievment as a manager. He just did not want to go down the road as saying they were successful when they have not won a trophy yet and two of them are out of a job and the other one is mid table at Wigan. We all know that success is relative but I think he is right, because the same media could be crucifying these guys next season and calling for Hughes and Bruce to be sacked. Put it this way I doubt Hughes or Bruce will fall out with him over it.

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Originally Posted by BarelyLegal

Well said. My God when you're calling the likes of Roy Keane an awful human being I think it's time to get out more. I have a book at home- The World's most Notorious Men, Stalin, Hitler, Ted Bundy, makes me wonder will Keano be in the updated edition!!

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Fair enough lads, not a very nice human being then is that better? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er

Fair enough lads, not a very nice human being then is that better? :rolleyes:

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It's a bit girly, but ya I suppose it's an improvement;)

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I think you miss the point of Keanes so called attack on Hughes and Bruce. One it was not an attack and he was not saying they were bad managers he was just not falling for the hyperbole that the media wanted to place upon these managers. He would not even classify himself anywhere near these two guys at the moment in relation to experience and achievment as a manager. He just did not want to go down the road as saying they were successful when they have not won a trophy yet and two of them are out of a job and the other one is mid table at Wigan. We all know that success is relative but I think he is right, because the same media could be crucifying these guys next season and calling for Hughes and Bruce to be sacked. Put it this way I doubt Hughes or Bruce will fall out with him over it.

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I'm not missing any point. I never said it was an attack let alone a scathing one, I just thing he is bang out of line, and the manner in which he disagrees is rather disrespectful.

Words from Cascarino...

"Roy Keane's got 'shocking' information about me? I'd like to know what that is. Tell the world, Roy. I've got nothing to hide. But I know plenty about you that would shock quite a few people. If Roy's trying to intimidate me, it won't work. You can't bully me, Roy - Keane versus Cascarino is a fight that will go the distance.

"As for him not respecting what I say, I couldn't give two hoots. I won't lose a minute's sleep. It's funny, I never had a fallout with Roy over a decade as Ireland team-mates, but as soon as I started writing my honest opinion about the way he behaves, he didn't like it.

"Roy needs to look at his own behaviour, not mine. He needs to ask why rumours spread within the game about why many players at Sunderland weren't happy while he was in charge there.

"He should look at why he left Sunderland in the lurch, just like he did with Ireland. Will the same thing happen at Ipswich?"

http://football365.com/mediawatch/0,...231928,00.html

Ding ding! Round One!