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30/05/2012, 3:32 PM
jbyrne

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Originally Posted by Zizou

Go to youtube. Type in Paul Mc Shane 'The God of this era'... Even cheesy Eurovision type music to accompany it.. Enjoy..

i bet there is not one clip of him playing for Ireland on that youtube piece.
his performances for any club he played for are of no relevance to his performances for us
30/05/2012, 3:34 PM
jbyrne

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

In fairness there's a lot of truth in that. McShane did precious little wrong on Saturday but in work on Monday morning a colleague who watched it on telly started banging on about how terrible he was.

I asked him what he found 'terrible' and he said: "Everything! It's McShane sure he's shocking." There's an assumption the guy's gash, even when he plays decent.

When people put players in that box, it's very difficult for them to get out.

ah yes, the much thought out opinion of the Irish armchair sheep, sorry i mean fan
30/05/2012, 3:37 PM
Stuttgart88

It was the same with O'Shea for years too.
30/05/2012, 3:51 PM
tetsujin1979

For anyone who thinks they're as good as McShane. Last night he played in a team that beat a Tuscan local selection 5-0. Do you think you're anywhere near a local selection from your area?
30/05/2012, 3:54 PM
Murfinator

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Originally Posted by Zizou

Go to youtube. Type in Paul Mc Shane 'The God of this era'... Even cheesy Eurovision type music to accompany it.. Enjoy..

I'll take Trapattoni and Fergusons verdict on him over a youtuber who can't spell "demon" correctly.
30/05/2012, 3:56 PM
Murfinator

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

In fairness there's a lot of truth in that. McShane did precious little wrong on Saturday but in work on Monday morning a colleague who watched it on telly started banging on about how terrible he was.

I asked him what he found 'terrible' and he said: "Everything! It's McShane sure he's shocking." There's an assumption the guy's gash, even when he plays decent.

When people put players in that box, it's very difficult for them to get out.

If people can't even reason their criticism why would you even listen or relay their comments? Just laugh at them, pity them and move on.
30/05/2012, 3:57 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

In fairness there's a lot of truth in that. McShane did precious little wrong on Saturday but in work on Monday morning a colleague who watched it on telly started banging on about how terrible he was.

I asked him what he found 'terrible' and he said: "Everything! It's McShane sure he's shocking." There's an assumption the guy's gash, even when he plays decent.

When people put players in that box, it's very difficult for them to get out.

im not as tr-apoplectic about McShanes inclusion (treatment of Foley notwithstanding) as i am about Green's but when a player is put in that box by the majority of critics (armchair or otherwise), its usually for very good reason.
30/05/2012, 3:57 PM
paul_oshea

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When people put players in that box, it's very difficult for them to get out.

I know exactly what you mean ; )
30/05/2012, 4:01 PM
mark12345

Look at McShane's club record. He's been moved on from club to club. Even Trap didn't pick him for the campaign just gone. Damien Delaney is a better option, not a great one, but a far better one. McShane is full of blood and thunder but has very little to recommend him as a Championship player, let alone an international.
30/05/2012, 4:03 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I know exactly what you mean ; )

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Originally Posted by SkStu

its usually for very good reason.

:D hehe...
30/05/2012, 4:16 PM
jbyrne

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Look at McShane's club record

irrelevant.

our players always play above themselves at international level
30/05/2012, 4:17 PM
SwanVsDalton

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Originally Posted by Murfinator

If people can't even reason their criticism why would you even listen or relay their comments? Just laugh at them, pity them and move on.

I didn't take him on, just relaying it here as an example of the knee jerk opinions people have on Irish players. Sure we've all heard similar about different guys.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

im not as tr-apoplectic about McShanes inclusion (treatment of Foley notwithstanding) as i am about Green's but when a player is put in that box by the majority of critics (armchair or otherwise), its usually for very good reason.

There's truth in that, sure, but those good reasons rarely seem to extend to "McShane/Green/Keogh/Kilbane are usually dreadful but played well the other day."

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I know exactly what you mean ; )

Uhhh OK. Get the feeling something's swooshing over my head here...
30/05/2012, 4:23 PM
paul_oshea

Thats the whole point, you wouldn't ; )
30/05/2012, 4:27 PM
MeathDrog

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Originally Posted by mark12345

Look at McShane's club record. He's been moved on from club to club. Even Trap didn't pick him for the campaign just gone. Damien Delaney is a better option, not a great one, but a far better one. McShane is full of blood and thunder but has very little to recommend him as a Championship player, let alone an international.

Based on that argument Sledge would get nowhere near the team.
30/05/2012, 4:35 PM
paul_oshea

Yes that argument is flawed, for both Dunne and Sledge, but have you ever been as worried watching either of them? I haven't, they are composed and good readers of the game, not rash and poor positionally or bad readers of the game. They also weren't at fault for the thierry henry goal.
30/05/2012, 4:42 PM
MeathDrog

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Yes that argument is flawed, for both Dunne and Sledge, but have you ever been as worried watching either of them? I haven't, they are composed and good readers of the game, not rash and poor positionally or bad readers of the game. They also weren't at fault for the thierry henry goal.

You're dead right, hence why Sledge and Dunne will start ahead of McShane if fit. :rolleyes:

That also seems to be a big part of the uproar over his call up. You'd swear he was being picked in the no. 10 spot with the team moulded around him.
30/05/2012, 4:59 PM
jbyrne

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

They also weren't at fault for the thierry henry goal.

why bring 3 incompetent officials and a cheat into the mcshane / foley debate??
30/05/2012, 5:07 PM
paul_oshea

Because when your leaking water, there is no point looking at where the water is filling up, but where the actual source is, turn it off and then sort the leak.

Before any of them can be blamed, Mcshane should have covered the angle, and not let him get in around him or even cleared the ball, knowing who(or what) was behind him. Because of his lack of spatial awareness he didn't know anyone was behind him,and because of his lack of foresight(his own position and his positional sense/reading of the game) he didn't anticipate anyone coming in behind him.

You could put it down to lack of experience but he isn't 16 or 17.
30/05/2012, 5:09 PM
geysir

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Yes that argument is flawed, for both Dunne and Sledge, but have you ever been as worried watching either of them? I haven't, they are composed and good readers of the game, not rash and poor positionally or bad readers of the game. They also weren't at fault for the thierry henry goal.

Didn't Dunne allow the ball to land when he should have met it with his head and hammered it clear, Sledge was nowhere to be seen, McShane lost sight& shape of Henry and Given failed to cut out a 'cutoutable' cross to Gallas.
30/05/2012, 5:21 PM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by MeathDrog

You'd swear he was being picked in the no. 10 spot with the team moulded around him.

Never underestimate the capacity for foot.ie to get its khaks in a twist over a marginal decision or to create a schism out of nothing. Here's a prediction: McShane will not see a minute's action at this tournament.

Here's another: Foley will still make the trip after O'Shea is pulled out. Trap, true to form, will then pick Foley ahead of McShane!

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