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I play football. I'm not very good at it. In your opinion I'm probably unlucky...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike B
I love the way that when you can't accept the views of others here you decide to ignore them, that you've had enough and are leaving and then say we're the "lost causes"
Toodles indeed...
He was unlucky apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
Oh I'm usually right buddy, just very very lazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Good LUCK with the football career!! ;)
Pike B, can you give one example of how Inter were unlucky last night?
I saw Ibrahimovic and Stankovic miss a couple of sitters, and Adriano hit the post. None of them were able to hit the target (although Adriano came very close).
A player's inability to successfully execute an action, be it scoring, saving, tacking, etc. are not examples of luck.
You can say that Inter had a lot of posession in United's half, and created quite a few chances, but failed to score. But if a team fails to convert any of their chances due to poor finishing, why are they unlucky?
I think I asked that question about 2/3 pags ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
:D typical. Surely if the points are that ridiculous it would be easy to take them apart? Like how telling me how its luck that makes a ball hit a post rather than the way the player hit it.....hunnyQuote:
Originally Posted by Pike B
What can I say...it's a gift ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
Yes he is close and on another day(with a bit more accuracy) it would go in. how exactly does 'luck change how the ball moves or where it goes?Quote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
On another day if he hits the ball in exactly the same way(unlikely) and the conditions were exactly the same, then he would hit the post again.
However if he hits it slightly differently(better) then it could go in.
I still dont see where luck gets involved. Waht would you consider to be luck in that scenario?
Well unless someone can prove to me that luck does exist then Im afraid Im going to carry on thinking this way. Its easy to claim something exists, I need something to back it up before I believe it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
Listing matches where a team was better than another and lost isnt going to prove luck. its going to prove that sometimes the technically better team loses because they other team do a better job of putting the ball in the net.
And I think you've just proven to everyone that you should be ignored by trying to compare a game of pure chance to football......Quote:
Originally Posted by Pike B
Regardless of who is right on this debate I think comments like "hunny" and "toodles" really show up Pike B's argument. Your debating style is condescending, by the way that is when you speak down to somebody. :)
Adriano's attempt was a very difficult one to execute. He made a really good attempt at it and it hit the inside of the post. I'm sure if Adriano gets an identical chance in his next match he will go about executing it in an identical fashion. However next time the chances are the result will be slightly different, it might go wide or it might go in. The point I am trying to make is that he will do all he can do and sometimes it will go in, sometimes it won't, the difference being a little bit of luck. Of course skill also has it's part to play in that a player off lesser ability than Adriano might have connected badly, although this could still LUCKILY end up in the net but obviously the more skill you have the better chance you have of scoring.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
If he does exactly the same thing, andthe conditions are the same, it will have exactly the same result. How can it be different?Quote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
If he executes in an identical fashion, it will hit the post and go across the goal again.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
I get what you are saying. But the fact is for that ball to have gone into the net it would have had to come off a very slightly different part of his boot, or his boot needed to have been at a very slightly different angle.Quote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
We are only dealing with millimetres in his case, but if you argue that luck is all that was involved in missing that chance, then you are saying that another striker, who may have adjusted his footing the millimetres necesary to put the ball just inside the post has actually done nothing different than Adriano, and his scoring the goal was down only to (good) luck rather than his technique and ability.
I said he goes about executing it in an identical fashion. It may just hit a fractionally different part of his foot changing the end result completely. Of course in your opinion this is his own fault for not executing is precisely enough...I get that but don't agree with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
What's your take on deflected goals? if somebody takes a bad shot that was going wide but it takes a deflection and goes in is that lucky?
I said go about executing it in an identical fashion. This was a very important part of my sentance.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Yes the player who scores this chance deserves slightly more praise than Adriano assuming he has struck the ball well. I think Adriano deserved more for his excellent attempt than it striking the post and going across the goals but I guess that's where we differ.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Was Terry unlucky for slipping taking his penalty in the final or was it just a bad penalty
*runs*
I can see what you mean to a certain extent , But to say he deserved more is ridiculous , Think about it , the goalposts are there for a reason i.e to determine what is a goal and what isn't so if the shot isn't within the parameters of the goal I don't see how you can say it "deserved" to be . Anyway I know what I mean in my head if that doesnt come across too clear :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
But again, if Adriano "deserved more for his excellent attempt than it striking the post and going across the goals", what did he deserve? A goal? Would he have deserved a goal as much as the "other" striker who actually scored the goal?Quote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
To say that it was poor play from Adriano would be silly. It was a very difficult chance, and he made a fantastic effort. But, in my opinion, the reason the ball didn't go in was not luck.
I don't go as far as Dodge and say that the only luck in football is refereeing decisions. I think there is luck to a greater extent than that.
But I will say it again, when a player fails to execute an action successfully, that is not luck. It may have been a great effort (Adriano hitting the post), or a poor effort (Ibrahimovic hitting the bar), but it isn't luck.
But why? A great attempt or not he couldn't get it on target. Why did he deserve to score?Quote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
On deflected goals, there's obviously a bit of leeway when spin come into it. However some deflections could be down to a mistake by a defender, or as a result of good work by an attacker to get himself in the position to deflect it. Similarly if a player takes enough shots he knows that some of them will be deflected goalwards. Logically speaking...
This isn't really going anywhere. Sometimes a player hits the ball really well and it doesn't go in, other times he hits a rubbish shot but flukes into the corner cos it was so badly struck it deceives the keeper. To me this is to do with luck. Fair enough if ye don't agree. Thanks for a splendid debate in which I learned...
Some people believe in luck, some don't.;)
Not many people including me (two I think), picked Porto to beat Atletico, albeit on a rare away goals victory. Amazing aggregate win also for Bayern when you consider Sporting are only 4points behind Porto in the Portuguese league.
Mourinho has gone from special one to special zero :D
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I logged on expecting to find 3 pages of good chat on European CL football since I last viewed this thread. How wrong I was.
Brutal quality shoot out alright - both takers and goalkeepers. Almost everyone said that Eduardo's was a poor kick, which it was. Funny thing is if the keeper had guessed the wrong way the same people would have said it was emphatic. I'd say at least half the penalties last night were poor kicks. Delison's was a shocker, even worse than Cascarino's on Genoa.