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15/05/2007, 1:23 PM
old git

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Originally Posted by smellyfeet

Just heard that this ban was appealed last evening but to no joy:(
The 8 month banwill stand. Sad really.

a disgrace .... i know clare league are trying to look after referees

but cannot justify 8 months ban for verbal abuse of a referee ..:ball:
15/05/2007, 4:04 PM
First

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Originally Posted by old git

a disgrace .... i know clare league are trying to look after referees

but cannot justify 8 months ban for verbal abuse of a referee ..:ball:

Can anyone explain how the Clare League have come up with the 8 months suspension for this offense. What is the criteria they use. This looks to me as a figure that has been pulled out of thin air and the player in question has benn made an example of. Why , when the Clare league and the referees have a problem with the level of abuse been thrown at them not come up with a transparent method of punishment that is outlined to the clubs at the beginning of the season. This decision is an over reaction to what is a problem in the Clare league and one that seems to be getting worse. It is understandable that the refs do not want to be abused and from what I have seen this season if the hardline approach they have taken here is their answer to the problem then there will be alot of clubs struggling to field teams with the amount of suspensions. IMO there should be a whole reveiw of the way the league is run , from fixtures to referring and the whole approach by the clubs. Remember the palyers that are out on the pitch are representatives of the club and they have to take some level of responsiblity in the things that are going on . There seems to be a them against us attitude between the clubs and the people who are running the league.
15/05/2007, 5:28 PM
old git

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Originally Posted by First

Can anyone explain how the Clare League have come up with the 8 months suspension for this offense. What is the criteria they use. This looks to me as a figure that has been pulled out of thin air and the player in question has benn made an example of. Why , when the Clare league and the referees have a problem with the level of abuse been thrown at them not come up with a transparent method of punishment that is outlined to the clubs at the beginning of the season. This decision is an over reaction to what is a problem in the Clare league and one that seems to be getting worse. It is understandable that the refs do not want to be abused and from what I have seen this season if the hardline approach they have taken here is their answer to the problem then there will be alot of clubs struggling to field teams with the amount of suspensions. IMO there should be a whole reveiw of the way the league is run , from fixtures to referring and the whole approach by the clubs. Remember the palyers that are out on the pitch are representatives of the club and they have to take some level of responsiblity in the things that are going on . There seems to be a them against us attitude between the clubs and the people who are running the league.

would agree with above ,, but also must add that usually every appeall to clare league fails .. also a lot of current referee's are very poor at their jobs.. which causes a lot of frustration on the pitch with players (still not an excuse to abuse referee) t and i have never heard of any player/club in clare appealing against a referee's
decision / report and winning their case .. how many players have been sent off for bad language this year what i mean by bad langauge is after a bad tackle / foul / offside decision player comments for f**k sake ref / that was never f**king offside... does anybody else class this as red card material... i certainly don't..:ball:
15/05/2007, 8:42 PM
MikeBassett

Munster Youths Area Final

Lifford 3-1 Newtown

Newtown scored after five mins but as the game went on they got worse and worse...Lifford could have really hammered them in this one
16/05/2007, 12:11 AM
Interested

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Originally Posted by old git

would agree with above ,, but also must add that usually every appeall to clare league fails .. also a lot of current referee's are very poor at their jobs.. which causes a lot of frustration on the pitch with players (still not an excuse to abuse referee) t and i have never heard of any player/club in clare appealing against a referee's
decision / report and winning their case .. how many players have been sent off for bad language this year what i mean by bad langauge is after a bad tackle / foul / offside decision player comments for f**k sake ref / that was never f**king offside... does anybody else class this as red card material... i certainly don't..:ball:

In the Laws of the Game Rule Book, Foul and Abusive Languadge is punished by a Red Card. Referees don't make up the rules, they just implement them.
It is not a player saying for f**k safe ref / that was never f**king offside or similar, it is the way he/she says it. To be honest, most referees will only give a yellow card for dissent. Players are not stupid, they know which referees will tolerate this and those that won't.
Swearing is part and parcel of everyday life and naturally it will be brought onto the field.
Calling the Referee a fu**king cheat, is not normal practise and has no place on the field in my opinion.
16/05/2007, 12:22 AM
Interested

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Originally Posted by hacker

while referree's should not have to take verbal abuse..the are the only people in the league who get paid..it can get very frustrating for players when emotions are high and the ref makes a mistake(which everybody does)..how come the refs cant get punished for mistakes..we have played 17 games in league so far this year and not once have we seen a referree's accessor at a game..if you think about it a ref will probably get 2 games each sunday 1 in premier and 1 in another division..they get 44 euro for premier games and 38 for any other division thats 82 euro for 3 hours work thats about 27 euro an hour tax free..and if the make a mistake or say something to a player nothing can be done..but if a players emotions are running high and says stuff he he gets 8 month ban..where is the sense in that...

Great calculating hacker. If we break it down properly. A ref has a game in Shannon at 11.00, to be at the venue in time to do a pre match check means he leaves home at 10.00.
His 2nd game is in Newmarket at 2.30, with the game finishing at 4.15, (taking into account half time). By the time he gets home it is 5 O'Clock with his whole Sunday taken up.
By my calculation 10 in the morning untill 5.00 is 7 hours which comes in at 11.71 an hour (just above minimum wage).
I dont think there are too many players who would do a days work for �82.00.
If there are I am sure there employers would be willing to negoitiate.
16/05/2007, 7:45 AM
Side Cutter

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Originally Posted by Interested

In the Laws of the Game Rule Book, Foul and Abusive Languadge is punished by a Red Card. Referees don't make up the rules, they just implement them.
It is not a player saying for f**k safe ref / that was never f**king offside or similar, it is the way he/she says it. To be honest, most referees will only give a yellow card for dissent. Players are not stupid, they know which referees will tolerate this and those that won't.
Swearing is part and parcel of everyday life and naturally it will be brought onto the field.
Calling the Referee a fu**king cheat, is not normal practise and has no place on the field in my opinion.

-----------MOD EDIT--- IF you post anything like that again you'll get a ban from here.Consider this a warning.--------------------

Are you are you a ref by any chance Interested-
16/05/2007, 8:12 AM
old git

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Originally Posted by Interested

In the Laws of the Game Rule Book, Foul and Abusive Languadge is punished by a Red Card. Referees don't make up the rules, they just implement them.
It is not a player saying for f**k safe ref / that was never f**king offside or similar, it is the way he/she says it. To be honest, most referees will only give a yellow card for dissent. Players are not stupid, they know which referees will tolerate this and those that won't.
Swearing is part and parcel of everyday life and naturally it will be brought onto the field.
Calling the Referee a fu**king cheat, is not normal practise and has no place on the field in my opinion.

.. in this case a bit of common sense might have been used olympic 2-1 up and referee supposedly plays 8 mins injury and then moher equalize & ref blows final whistle... it would be very hard for players / manager to contain emotions ... yes a sending off offence and suspension but 8 month ban is a disgrace .. :ball:
16/05/2007, 8:17 AM
leftie

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Originally Posted by Interested

Great calculating hacker. If we break it down properly. A ref has a game in Shannon at 11.00, to be at the venue in time to do a pre match check means he leaves home at 10.00.
His 2nd game is in Newmarket at 2.30, with the game finishing at 4.15, (taking into account half time). By the time he gets home it is 5 O'Clock with his whole Sunday taken up.
By my calculation 10 in the morning untill 5.00 is 7 hours which comes in at 11.71 an hour (just above minimum wage).
I dont think there are too many players who would do a days work for �82.00.
If there are I am sure there employers would be willing to negoitiate.

You have a point but your logic is flawed. Can you tell me that in your regular employment that you bill from the moment you leave the house to the moment you get home? I doubt it.

That said, you should get paid well for crappy work, and perhaps they sould get paid better. However no matter how badly paid or under appreciated they are, it does not give them the excuse to do a crappy job.
16/05/2007, 9:34 AM
the 12 th man

By all means comment on a Refs performance but don't accuse a Ref of being a cheat on foot.ie,Christ knows its a hard job and there is a shortage of people to do it.

Don't say you weren't warned.
16/05/2007, 9:46 AM
Side Cutter

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Originally Posted by Interested

Great calculating hacker. If we break it down properly. A ref has a game in Shannon at 11.00, to be at the venue in time to do a pre match check means he leaves home at 10.00.
His 2nd game is in Newmarket at 2.30, with the game finishing at 4.15, (taking into account half time). By the time he gets home it is 5 O'Clock with his whole Sunday taken up.
By my calculation 10 in the morning untill 5.00 is 7 hours which comes in at 11.71 an hour (just above minimum wage).
I dont think there are too many players who would do a days work for �82.00.
If there are I am sure there employers would be willing to negoitiate.

Minimum wage is �8.30.Thats �3.41 above the minimum.Not bad for doing something you love.:D
16/05/2007, 10:08 AM
Interested

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Originally Posted by the 12 th man

By all means comment on a Refs performance but don't accuse a Ref of being a cheat on foot.ie,Christ knows its a hard job and there is a shortage of people to do it.

Don't say you weren't warned.

I did not accuse the ref of being a cheat. Talking to the ref in question, that is the comment that was passed to him by the player.
16/05/2007, 10:16 AM
Interested

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Originally Posted by leftie

You have a point but your logic is flawed. Can you tell me that in your regular employment that you bill from the moment you leave the house to the moment you get home? I doubt it.

That said, you should get paid well for crappy work, and perhaps they sould get paid better. However no matter how badly paid or under appreciated they are, it does not give them the excuse to do a crappy job.

My point was that Sunday is probably the only day off from the normal run of the week working (some of us do still work 6 days).
It is not about the money involved that most referees give up their day off, some do it for the love of the game, wether it be crappy or not.
When somebody comes on the thread and starts breaking down the figures involved, it just shows what is thought of referees in Clare.
16/05/2007, 10:22 AM
Interested

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Originally Posted by old git

.. in this case a bit of common sense might have been used olympic 2-1 up and referee supposedly plays 8 mins injury and then moher equalize & ref blows final whistle... it would be very hard for players / manager to contain emotions ... yes a sending off offence and suspension but 8 month ban is a disgrace .. :ball:

Agreed, 8 months was harsh. As far as I know, there are no referees sitting on the Clare League Disciplinary Committee, they send in their reports and the League deal with it.
If the player/Club is unhappy with the decision they have the right to appeal to Clare first, then Munster and finally the FAI. The only problem being is that there is a fee attached to each appeal and I dont think I have ever heard of the FAI changing a decision from Munster, or Munster changing a decision from Clare.
16/05/2007, 10:23 AM
Interested

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Originally Posted by Side Cutter

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Are you are you a ref by any chance Interested-

No, but I used to be one. Some things never change, it would seem.
16/05/2007, 10:47 AM
the 12 th man

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Originally Posted by Interested

I did not accuse the ref of being a cheat. Talking to the ref in question, that is the comment that was passed to him by the player.

The post was not addressed to you specifically Interested,what people call Refs at games is beyond what we can control here but I'm not going to have it on this forum.
16/05/2007, 10:49 AM
smellyfeet

Olympic official throws the flag at the ref and gets 3 game ban.
8 Month Ban for calling a ref a cheat is totally out of order.
What hasn't been said yet is,in the Mohar V Olympic game after 1 of the Olympic goals the ball was thrown back up to the center circle,at the same time Olympic player was running back to his own half (not even looking at the ball) and the ball hits of his leg and moves 2/3 meters away from him, refs say's that he is adding on 2 minuites extra time for ball hitting his leg. Now how can it take 2 minuites to get the ball and place it on center circle from 2/3 meters away:confused:.
16/05/2007, 11:26 AM
old git

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Originally Posted by Interested

Agreed, 8 months was harsh. As far as I know, there are no referees sitting on the Clare League Disciplinary Committee, they send in their reports and the League deal with it.
If the player/Club is unhappy with the decision they have the right to appeal to Clare first, then Munster and finally the FAI. The only problem being is that there is a fee attached to each appeal and I dont think I have ever heard of the FAI changing a decision from Munster, or Munster changing a decision from Clare.

thats the point i was trying to make waste of time player / club appealling can anybody else confirm has their club / player ever won an appeal against clare league .. munster & fai just take your money & then tell you it is a local league decision and they cant over rule them ..
16/05/2007, 11:49 AM
shelbourne1904

Was the fact that the leagues would not entertain any abuse or hassling of referees made absolutely clear???This was as a result of so many of them pulling out after last season for this very reason.
In my opinion it was.
Was this passed from the clubs to the players??
If it wasnt the clubs are at fault.
If it was then then why would anybody get involved with referees if they already knew what the out come was going to be???

The arguements will go on forever about the standard of referees.The arguements will go one that they are paid and some do avery bad job,regularly.
The arguements will go on that if one ref does a great job and is fit and prepares properly yet the bad one who turns up ill prepared with a hangover gets the same money.

We are stuck with this at the moment because there are not enough of them.

THE MESSAGE IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR DONT GET INVOLVED WITH THEM OR YOU WILL GET SERIOUS SUSPENSIONS
16/05/2007, 12:33 PM
plasticpitch

For me 8 months is excessive. what it has done is set a precedent that will be very hard to follow. some refs take talk like this in their stride, so really its down to the reaction of the man in the middle.
the whole affair stinks for me. i can understand players frustration at adding on so much injury time. it seems like there was an effort to punish olympic... for what reason i dont know.
now a 2nd punishment for 1 of their players. it seems personal to this ref against olympic or someone in the club.
on the other hand it might get some of the other 20-30 refs that would be attending any particular game to keep stum...
That would good for the game in general

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