The Derry City thread - Derry sign first four players

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Originally Posted by Kildareman

And this isnt a fudge???

Derry are over their heads in debt. What to do? Get the board to resign, go into administration, say sorry to their staff and other creditors and restart all shiney and new in the First Division.
Now what about the punishment for cheating. The players seem to be the only ones punished.
All Derry get is LOI football avoiding the A league and a clean bill of health.

Fudge?? What fudge??

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The punishment will be with the directors, as per normal company law and as it should be. I still maintain that they should be happy if they avoid jail.

I wouldn't have thought so - the legal entity previously trading as Derry City is defunct.

The new Derry City isn't in administration, so cannot be docked points.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

do they not get a points deduction for going into administration??

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The winners of Drogheda -v- Fingal fill the premier spot. So its derrys spot in the 1st division.

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Originally Posted by Kildareman

And this isnt a fudge???

Derry are over their heads in debt. What to do? Get the board to resign, go into administration, say sorry to their staff and other creditors and restart all shiney and new in the First Division.
Now what about the punishment for cheating. The players seem to be the only ones punished.
All Derry get is LOI football avoiding the A league and a clean bill of health.

Fudge?? What fudge??

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The punishment is they got relegated (I know technically they weren't "relegated" but that's what the bottom line is when all is said and done) Ask Shels and Dundalk how hard it is to get out of that division. Instead of getting to play european football next season Derry will be playing in places like Jackman Park. That is definitely a punishment.

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Originally Posted by gufct

The winners of Drogheda -v- Fingal fill the premier spot. So its derrys spot in the 1st division.

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That's harsh considering we won our playoff match. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Candystripe

I wonder will the F.A.I. pay Swifts the £30k from the €80k prize monies withheld from Europe and 4th place?

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Derry were relegated / thrown out of the league.

They didn't finish 4th in the final table as amended following their expulsion

They're not entitled to the €80k.

Having said that, if Frank And Irene set a precedent in bailing out Cork .................

Derry City is dead.

We are now Derry city.

With a small c. In Times New Roman font as opposed to Arial.

And we'll revert to our old crest as nobody liked the new one anyway.

Sorted.

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Originally Posted by Buile Shuibhne

Derry were relegated / thrown out of the league.

They didn't finish 4th in the final table as amended following their expulsion

They're not entitled to the €80k.

Having said that, if Frank And Irene set a precedent in bailing out Cork .................

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I think thats what Candystripe was hinting at.

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Originally Posted by Philly

On the downside,though, two trips to Derry per season is going to be a huge cost to many First Division clubs who are already struggling to pay match-day expenses.

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From our point of view that's a point, specially as our lot now always overnights on treks that long. We're due only one journey to Finn Park in 2010 as we had 2 this year, so I'd imagine we'll get 2 to the Brandywell if it comes to it.
And despite Derry's sizeable travelling support, I don't think they'll travel to the RSC in numbers big enough to compensate (yes I'm well aware it'd be a lot more than we'd bring the other way! :D).
But...
What would compensate a little is the increased home gate for the reverse fixture. Other than Wexford, Derry would no doubt be the top draw in the division for us (unless Cork are there too!), and with all due respect to a team I always liked, would bring in a lot more casual Blues fans than Kildare.
Would that be the case with other D1 sides (other than Harps of course :))?

Don't get me wrong, having Derry 3 games next season will be great but, if there is no points deduction then what's to stop the likes of Athlone, Longford, Cobh and Harps going into liquidation, cleaning the slate and re-entering into the 1st Division under the same name? Sure we could all benefit from that.

All for Derry coming back, it's of great benefit to Harps gate receipts BUT proper order would be entry into the A league.

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Originally Posted by Greenforever

I reckon Derry will be back competing with Rovers for the premier division title within 3 years and will probably be one of the financially soundest clubs by then, with a complete clean start, come the start of next seaon Id imagine the club will have a huge amount of goodwill just like Rovers got this year and all the negatives are likely to be quickly forgotten.

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Is it fair though?

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Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

Don't get me wrong, having Derry 3 games next season will be great but, if there is no points deduction then what's to stop the likes of Athlone, Longford, Cobh and Harps going into liquidation, cleaning the slate and re-entering into the 1st Division under the same name? Sure we could all benefit from that.

All for Derry coming back, it's of great benefit to Harps gate receipts BUT proper order would be entry into the A league.

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I might be wrong but did Cobh not go into administration last year?!

i'm sure if longford did it wed loose the stadium? i have no idea just makes sence to me in my own world :D

This was posted elsewhere...

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Originally Posted by lamb

so, let me get this straight,
for financially screwing over:
1) at least 3 other football clubs,
2) god knows how many businesses,
3) their own players and staff,
4) possibly the govt, thru tax or rate bills that may yet be outstanding
5) not to mention the deception attempts against the fai and the gaining of a licence using false information, ensuring loi premier league football for themselves, probably at some other loi team's expense

and in exchange derry city could be "rewarded" with:
1) a debt free immediate future?
2) a drop of a single division?
3) continuation of the derry city name?
4) continued use of a "no longer applicable" dispensation to play in a foreign league?

that would be what i would call "a scam".

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It will be interesting to see if the permission Derry City had from the IFA to play in the LOI is as easily transferred from one party to another especially with monies outstanding to at least 3 Irish League clubs.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

It will be interesting to see if the permission Derry City had from the IFA to play in the LOI is as easily transferred from one party to another especially with monies outstanding to at least 3 Irish League clubs.

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has it not been repeatidley stated before that derry no longer need th IFAs permission on that matter?

Issues were different in Cobh but in fairness I dont think we were guilty of some of the mentioned above..Ah well

So has anything actually been officially confirmed that Derry City will operate under the same name and in the first division next season?

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Originally Posted by Acornvilla

has it not been repeatidley stated before that derry no longer need th IFAs permission on that matter?

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Why do Derry have to retain their membership of the IFA?

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Why do Derry have to retain their membership of the IFA?

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Do we?