Well he's already been named in the preliminary squad for the Slovakia/Russia games. That squad will have to narrowed down though and I wouldn't be surprised if he's among those dropped.
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Well he's already been named in the preliminary squad for the Slovakia/Russia games. That squad will have to narrowed down though and I wouldn't be surprised if he's among those dropped.
The first time I was willing to call it a coincidence, second time bad luck. Third time I was getting fed up but prepared to put up with him because he's a young lad and working with Martinez who sounds like a tool. But this again? Enough is enough.
I honestly prefer Stephen Ireland to James McCarthey, Wilson and Walters at this stage because at least he's honest about his commitment and isn't trying to continually hide that he doesn't give a crap about internationals behind PR nonsense in the media and faked injuries. He tried it once and has been open and honest since, this new bunch must take the public for fools if they think we're going to get behind them on the rare occasion they decide to follow through on a callup.
There's no way whatsoever a player could be classified as "injured" on a wednesday and fit enough to start on a saturday. No freaking way. In all liklihood he was in a state of doing light training midweek and could very well have trained with Ireland and had some sort of gametime from the bench. To say he was injured for the game is technically a flat out lie if he could play 90 minutes 3 days later as any physio will tell you.
Hardly surprising, sure his Irish connections are only slightly less tenuous than Barack Obama's. Seems he doesn't give a balls. Pity because he's obviously one of the most exciting prospects that has been elligible for us for years. At least he can't play for anyone else until Fifa decide to change the rules again anyway. I have more time for Walters and Wilson - didn't they at least show up to be accessed by the FAI medical staff or did that never materialise?
Then why the feck did he go through all the hassle in declaring?
Who knows maybe the thought of playing for Scotland was even less appealing for him than lining out for Ireland?Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Whatever we, the supporters, think about it, the real impact of these shenanigans will be within the squad.
I wouldn't welcome someone into the dressing room who thinks he can turn up whenever he likes.
This whole episode reminds me of that other young player who's career was skyrocketing through the roof who thought he was too big to play international football for Ireland. I'm not quite sure but I think his name was Stephen Ireland. I hear he's the Zinedine Zidane of the Reserve League Northern Section now.
In fairness to James I can understand the idea of not having a strong affiliation to any country. Being born one place, originated through your parents to another and living/working in yet another is bound to cause something like that.
What I won't tolerate is his lack of honesty about his situation, his words say one thing and his actions another. He can either commit 100% or get lost.
Yea if he can't be arsed to turn up for a team ranked 33rd in the world I can't see him turning up for a team ranked 61st.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Secondly he has hardly ever impressed me when I have watched him, he seems to have a similar attitude on the pitch, ie not keen on getting involved, even when Rooney walloped him one he didn't seem bothered - lol.
Just throwing this out there... maybe he was just injured? Glamorous and pulsating though the Croatia friendly was, I'm not sure it's worth risking aggravating an existing injury for.
He was definetely injured against Villareal when he had to come off. I wouldn't be too harsh on him this time. Crying wolf once too often means he is not going to get the benefit of doubt but I believe he was genuinely injured and Trap accepted Wigan's explanation.
Well I suppose Wigan were supposed to be without McCarthy so it could be genuine,
How did he look today?
some posts on the Wigan footymad site - http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=558 - say he was terrible todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Such an ungrateful bunch. After James retired from international football to make the game!
How do you figure that one?Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Is it really so difficult for people to even consider that he might well have been injured? He did suffer a bad knock against Villarreal to the ankle which caused him all the bother last season and it would be understandable if precaution was taken with it, the Croatia game being a non-competitive fixture and all that.
I agree. I don't think there was any question that he had picked up a knock and Wigan felt that it required him wrapped up in cotton wool for the wk. It would have been folly to allow him over for a international friendly a few days before the start of the season. Really can't see what the fuss is about and think it's a complete overreaction. It's the kind of sensationalism that you would associate with a tabloid like the Irish Independent, making a story where there is none, just to sell papers.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Furthermore, I think what we should be discussing is McCarthy's loss of form which Tets has pointed out. Since his 2 goals against Blackburn in Feb, I can't recall him having a good game. In fact I remember watching him in a few games towards the tail end of last season and he was perfectly awful. Judging by what Wigan fans were posting for the past few wks, his pre-season form has been awful as well, as was his performance yesterday.
I was a huge fan of him for the past few years and have been monitoring his progress closely since a little snippet appeared in the Sunday Times 5 yrs ago saying that a 15 yr old made his debut for Hamilton Accies and he had Irish connections. However, he simply has not progressed the way I hoped in the Premiership. I certainly would not have him in the Irish team on his current form. Fingers crossed he will re-discover his form soon and he will develop into the player we all hope. However, it is quite worrying at this stage.
Reckon he was genuinely injured. He certainly had no influence in Wigan's game yesterday.
Interesting that Martinez played him when he was injured because he must have been injured to have played as anonymously as he did today. A bad place to be hiding when (if) you are injured !Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
Possibly because they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
He has more or less stated in the past that he would have played for Scotland if they hadn't ignored him at schoolboy level. His only link to Ireland is that a single grandparent was born there. He shows no obvious appetite to play for the team unlike someone like Kilbane or McGeady who whilst also not being Irish born seem genuinely proud to show up for even fairly meaningless international games.
Anyway your post seems to imply everyone's getting on McCarthy's case because he pulled out of the last squad through injury when this is not the reality of the situation at all. I'm getting on his case because he pulls out of nearly every squad with an excuse yet still manages to turn up every weekend for Wigan.
I reckon Keith Fahey can feck off as well. Not fit to play for Ireland, fit enough to play and score for his club a few days later. Serious commitment issues.
Don't forget Kevin Doyle. Fit as a fiddle yesterday, that head bandage wasn't fooling anyone. Is there no end to that man's deceptions??
He missed three months of Wigan's season last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Anyway, it is my understanding that the McCarthy family are very much a Glaswegian Irish family with a strong Irish identity and a pride in their roots. McCarthy's grandfather was a Coyle from Gweedore and he must have Irish roots further back as well, considering his surname. McCarthy also happens to be Scottish - that doesn't negate his Irishness - so I'm sure he would have considered playing for Scotland, just as Ray Houghton said he would have despite having a father from Buncrana in Donegal. Didn't Aiden McGeady play for Scotland at schoolboy level?
[QUOTE=DannyInvincible;1519326]He missed three months of Wigan's season last year.
Anyway, it is my understanding that the McCarthy family are very much a Glaswegian Irish family with a strong Irish identity and a pride in their roots. McCarthy's grandfather was a Coyle from Gweedore and he must have Irish roots further back as well, considering his surname. McCarthy also happens to be Scottish - that doesn't negate his Irishness - so I'm sure he would have considered playing for Scotland, just as Ray Houghton said he would have despite having a father from Buncrana in Donegal. Didn't Aiden McGeady play for Scotland at schoolboy level?[/QUOTE]
He played for the Scotland schools team which is different to playing representative football for the National underage teams.
Didn't Daniel Kearns play for the Nothern Ireland schools team one week and played for an ROI under age the following week a couple of years ago.
Sharkey played for NI schools one day and the next day he was on duty for a ROI underage friendly in Cork.
Did he ever team up with Liam George? Crimebusters of the sea.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
hehe - that post gave me a real (teenage) kick! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AlaskaFox
Why are ue not having a go at Doyle so lads in the same vein?
Macca had a niggle, the premiershipw as starting this weekend
why take the chance playing in a meaningless joke of a friendly and risk aggrevating it thus risk missing a large portion of the biggest season of your life so far?
Get off the stage lads
He was right. It was a nothing match.
And if ye are having a go then why not have a go at Doyle too. Doyle is like the spoiled child in here, he can do no wrong!
Must. Try. Harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
I think many of us arent appreciating the realms in which a professional athlete works in. If not 100% fit for a friendly, should the player turn out? I would say probably not. The risk is there that they may aggreviate the injury and cause further damage. The alternative is a few extra days training/physio at their club and the reality sometimes is that 3-4 days can make the difference.
There are many times when our players, certainly less than 100% fit have turned out for competitive games. Friendlies not so, and cant say I blame them. If players are fit and dont turn up because they are tired etc (ala Stokes), then there is no excuse for that. In fairness to James, in this case there was little doubt that he picked up an injury and probably it was best to remain in Wigan to get it treated/recover rather than risk further injury in a friendly.
A player has no business playing in a friendly if he is not 100% fit. It makes zero sense for the player, country or club.
McCarthy signs a 5 year deal at Wigan: http://www.wiganlatics.co.uk/page/Ne...428838,00.html
Just heard that on newstalk. Now if he would only turn up for his national team.
Interesting one, thats an investment for Wigan as they see it, especially given the other deals that were signed i.e. only 2 and 3 year deals.
2 years time if he has progressed even further still 3 years left on his contract, big money big return on investment for Wigan,if a club tries to prize him away.
If James is going to turn into the player that many believe he is capable, his agent was a dose in getting him to sign this deal.
Hmm, no-one wants to sign 'our great white hope'...
That's what I thought. Then again it could be good business by Wigan who now have him tied down until he's 25 so if they do decide to sell him they'll cash in.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
On another note I watched the game v Swansea on Saturday and he is way off form at the moment, he's clearly not fit - he was hauled off early in the 2nd half after an anonymous performance which included a booking.
Let's see what happens in the next few weeks when the squad is trimmed down and if he's still in it, will he'll turn up - wouldn't hold my breath.
very few 20 year old midfielders are signed up by the bigger clubs, Ronaldo being the obvious exception
Jordan Henderson?
fair pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
ammendment no. 1: few non-English midfielders are signed up by the bigger clubs, Ronaldo being the obvious exception
reported on various sources on twitter that McCarthy has dropped to U21 squad, but remains on call for seniors