Confirmation of the bad news from King today. Hope he makes a full recovery, but it looks like this season is gone for him, and he has had a lot of injury problems in his career already. You could tell last night how devestated he was.
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Confirmation of the bad news from King today. Hope he makes a full recovery, but it looks like this season is gone for him, and he has had a lot of injury problems in his career already. You could tell last night how devestated he was.
He was in some pain the poor guy, he had his hands wrapped around one of the other Irish player's feet for comfort. Cruciate injuries amongst soccer players seem relatively uncommon these days, compared to Gaelic Footballers where it seems a serious issue for some reason.
It's a long road back for him but hopefully he comes back strong. There are no silver linings really but at least he won't miss anything significant as far as we're concerned. James Mac should be more assured of his place in the Everton midfield as well but I'm just clutching at straws now really.
Another year of Whelan! In fairness he looks comfortable in a 3 man midfield.
The next boss might not fancy him at all, especially if he remains out of favour at Stoke. Hendrick will be back from injury over the next few weeks and will present another option. Having said that, I'd say the majority would see Whelan's experience as valuable alongside McCarthy.
I reckon the next manager might regard him as second-choice (as King seemingly did) but he'll be in or around squads even if Hendrick is included. He was probably our most consistent player over the two games and, outside of Forde, probably our best performer in Koln.
God yeah, I wouldn't even discard him from the squad myself.
Whelan is decent enough in a three man midfield. He was seriously shown up for pace in Trap's kamikaze midfield.
The injury Gibson has would have been career ending 15 or 20 years ago. He will be out for a while, perhaps the rest of the season. However, medical treatment has come on his injury is probably pretty similar to Van Nistelrooy's one that delayed his signing for Man Utd for a year. And we all know that Van Nistelrooy did fairly well for Man Utd in the end.
Hopefully nobody will ever question Gibson's commitment for Ireland again. The guy injured himself going full out for his country in a nothing match.
Maybe if we didn't play football on a rugby pitch, then these things would be less likely to happen.
Speaking of the pitch, what was the story with (what looked like) all the dead grass down the north end?
According to Kerr's column today it was because of a recent Roger Waters concert.
Ah, I should have guessed considering I was at it.
Waters dried out the pitch?
Bring back Keith Andrews!Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Aside from that it does represent any number from Hendrick, David Meyler and Stephen Quinn to get in there. They'd have to fancy their chances of putting Whelan under pressure, particularly if he isn't getting a game.
King acknowledged the same: http://www.thescore.ie/darron-gibson...32443-Oct2013/Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
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Originally Posted by Noel King
I was wondering what the huge yellow patch down the north end was all about myself. When was the last rugby game on the pitch, by the way? Could it have been a factor? To be honest, it's hard to gauge as it just looks like he placed his landing foot in an awkward position before his weight came down on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
http://s3.thejournal.ie/media/2013/10/gibson-4.gif
Wouldn't the pitch be re-laid anyway after a rugby game with an upcoming football international?
Actually, on second thoughts, I'm blaming Charlie!
It seemed like a good idea at the time :(
http://musicscene.ie/musicScene/wp-c...09-13-9826.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I don't believe there have been any rugby games on the pitch this season. Cruciate ligament injuries are the curse of the AFL and are often very innocuous. Gibson has two choices, the traditional way which would certainly keep him out of the game for a year or he could undergo LARS treatment, which is new and revolutionary and can have players back in three months playing. There was initial scepticism about LARS treatment, but the AFL players who have had it seem to cope fine with it. The actual damage done determines the best way forward.
Unfortunately not in female sport over 3 times more likely to do your cruciate and have other knee injuries than males. Men are *******sQuote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
The LARs is artificial so you can push the rehab full on from early while the traditional hamstring/patella tendon repair needs healing time and rehab has to be more conservative to respect the biological principles of healing. The big question with the LARs is the abscence of proprioceptive feedback that an artificial structure will provide compared to an organic structure which has propriocetive receptors whose job it is to help the knee reposition itself to prevent injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
Martinez seemed very upbeat about the injury, saying that they had feared the worst initially... the worst presumably being a year out. He said the basic structure of the knee is perfect. He seems to have more or less written of this season though but was confident that he'd return with no repercussions.
Positive news on the Gibson injury front: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/s...rs-247486.html
I thought that sort of injury would keep a player out for months, but we can expect Darron to be back in days? Not all that precise, but I'm guessing Martinez means around a month or two surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish Examiner
As Martinez is a very positive fellow sometimes it's hard to tell, but hardly a matter of days. Possibly it just means the operation went well and he has just ripped off the '270 days to go' sheet to reveal '269 days to go'.
The scans before the operation revealed that the structure of the knee was fine and the operation was just going to be straightforward surgery. Maybe there are different prognoses for different types of ACL injuries.
My understanding is that many ACL injuries are complicated by damage to the meniscus and other knee ligaments and that greatly extends recovery time. As it's just a clean ACL injury he should be back quicker, but it would be a major surprise if he's training in anything less than 3-4 months.
According to Neil O'Riordan on Twitter, O'Neill has been having difficulty trying to get in touch with Gibson.
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Originally Posted by Neil O'Riordan
It's amazing to think that, in an age where means of communication have increased dramatically, Darron Gibson can't be reached.
If that's true, I don't know why O'Neill has to make public his poor communication skills.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...gibson-6490004
Gibson ahead in his recovery.
It would be great if he can come back for those three games at the end of the season and be as fit as a fiddle for the qualifiers in September. An Ireland midfield with Gibson is a far more attractive proposition than a midfield with Whelan.
Agreed. But how much playing time is he going to get now in a blue shirt. Who can you see him displacing in the Everton midfield? McCarthy? Barkley? Barry?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
There's a good chance that one of them won't be at Everton next season. Barkley will probably move to a bigger team for £50m and Barry is 33 and linked with a free transfer move to Arsenal in the summer. Any of those 3 players could get injured at any time too and that would open up more space for Gibson.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
Point taken though. Between his injury record and the form of their other midfielders, he would not be guaranteed a place in the team for sure.
Small update from Martinez on Gibson. No development on what he said before, basically confirming Gibson is still on course to maybe make the final league games: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-30048830.html
"We never expected Darron to be back with is before the season ends"
The Irish Times reported a few minutes ago that Darron is back training with the Everton first team squad. Might be in with a shout for Sunday's match against Hull.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...team-1.1785517
I'd forgotten about him, he almost entered the Ian Harte zone.
Martinez believes Gibson will be a huge influence next season as he makes his comeback from injury: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport...lieves-7134918
Potentially bad news for Shane Duffy and Darron Gibson..
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2...muhamed-besic/
"Besic’s presence could, however, spell trouble for Darron Gibson, who is recovering from knee ligament damage suffered last October. While most feel the Republic of Ireland international will remain at Everton there are whispers that Besic’s presence, and Burnley’s interest, could prompt the sale of Gibson.
Additional value for Besic comes in his ability to play as a center-back where he’ll provide added depth to Phil Jagielka, Sylvain Distin, John Stones and Shane Duffy."
With Duffy waiting in the wings, it would seem there’s little need for Besic except that transfer rumors continue to rage over Stones. Given Martinez’ nurturing of Stones, selling the 20-year-old feels highly unlikely. Adding Besic, however, does provide cover.
Everton in EL this year, will need as much cover as possible. Besic would be more a cover for Barry / McCarthy although can play centre half and at £4m its a nice bit of business if it comes to pass.
Is Besic even that good? He's playing in Hungary. I didn't see him in action during the World Cup, I will admit. But, this craic whereby we see a club make a signing in a position in which there's an Irish as a disaster is a tad unfair.
Jan Kromkamp and Josemi anyone?
Seems unlikely to be honest. Why would Burnley in their fight for survival risk signing a player with a dreadful injury-record who would be their highest-earner? Also Everton only have 3 cms plus youngsters at the moment so they could do with keeping all 3 and signing another one for the long season ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
The last two things Martinez has had to say about Gibson:
"Darron has been a big miss for us. He has not been forgotten internally. I know when you don't play as a player you get a little bit out of the limelight but I'm very excited about Darron's contribution next season. He's exactly the type of midfielder we need. Gareth Barry and James McCarthy have been fantastic but we could have done with Darron being fit and ready. He is looking sharp. He wanted to be involved in the final game of the season but we would have been taking a little bit of a risk to do that, but I'm pleased to say he will start pre-season in great condition and ready to fight."
"The three players are at different stages of fitness. Darron Gibson I consider to be fully fit. He has worked really well over the Summer. We are really happy with his progress."
Those of you with long memories will remember that there were bogus links of Gibson to the championship prior to his move to Everton. One of the clubs linked was Burnley. This new 'rumour' might well be a rehash.
As far as I can tell it comes from here http://www.evertonrumours.co.uk/ever...mours11788.php
Whispers, indeed.