So with all this said and the links of the last couple of pages, gun to your head, will he be in the June 4th Squad or not?
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So with all this said and the links of the last couple of pages, gun to your head, will he be in the June 4th Squad or not?
No. He's 'injured'. If he was to turn up, it'd be a tacit admission he and Wigan lied.
who knows but i wont be annoyed with trap if he isnt, he more than likely wouldnt play anyway. maybe if hes left out for a few games he might answer his phone next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Would we settle for that though? I know he pulled out altogether rather than asking for a few extra days of rest, but Stokes calling in "tired" has pretty much finished him with the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
One thing that seems pretty clear by now is that Wigan are a club hostile to the "unnecessary nuisance" of international football. No doubt, Martinez has an influence on McCarthy as his manager and will try his best to keep such a valuable asset to Wigan as far away from international football as possible.
would you blame a player for not turning up for the standard of football would be hard to motivate any body to play.the football is shocking.
Yeah cause Wigan are just fantastic aren't they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Planners
wigan are no arsenal but the football we play is as bad as i have ever seen.we are gone back to early 90 with this style of football sure the fans are not enjoying it thats way no body turns up and i dont think many watch this rubbish on tv.who would you compare us to not many teams use this style.
We've played some OK football in recent matches. Since the run-around we got against Russia I think there's finally been a realisation we need to play with the ball at out feet rather than the opposition's for 89 minutes.
While against very poor opposition tuesday night some of the interplay in midfield and link up to the strikers was excellent although i would prefer if Keane showed to feet in stead of looking for balls over the top everytime which are hard to pull of at that that level. Hopefully a decent performance v Scotland Sunday will set us up for a much needed away win v Macedonia.
If one player breaks ranks you can blame the player, when this many do it you have to wonder what the manager is doing to make so many young men not want to even bother showing up for an international!!!
i agree something not right within the squad why would players work so hard to gain international caps and then not show up i dont think our manager has much trust in this bunch of players and i think they all know this and thats why they dont enjoy playing for this manager sure we would all love to play at this level you would be devasted to get there and then have a manager ruin it with rubbish football and an old school attitude.
... And breathe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Planners
Sexual abuse?Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
I don't know - I believe Trap could find a suitably skilled Italian tailor to hide the tail, but does he have enough hair to comb over his horns?Quote:
Originally Posted by Planners
...cheers nearly collapsed..you wonder why we care so much
McCarthy wouldn't have started in Macedonia anyway. We should really be discussing the players who are in the running to play. Who will start centre mid? I'd say he'll go with Gibson and Whelan again. I don't think Andrews is good enough and he doesn't seem to trust Fahey in the middle, although I would love to see Fahey with Whelan.
I enjoyed the 5 goals!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Planners
The weather's been fairly ****e here for the past week or so. If it doesn't improve by the weekend...I'm done being Irish. Enough is enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Planners
I'd disagree to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by weldoninhio
I think the desire to play for 'your' country we used to take for granted just isn't there amongst some of the younger players.
They'll play alright, but only on their terms.
Some really alarmist and presumptious comments here lately. Needless really. I've no reason to doubt that international football is still the pinnacle of most footballers' careers. Why would you say otherwise? You'll always have an idiot or two like Stephen Ireland or, most lately, Anthony Stokes, but they're exceptions to the norm more than anything. Hasn't the history of the Netherlands team, for example, has been littered with silly spats and exiles down through the years or am I overstating it slightly? It's not a new phenomenon regardless. As for some alleged problem with Trapattoni's persona being the root cause of these no-shows, I wouldn't really give that much weight. The current friendlies were badly-timed. McCarthy and Wilson might actually be injured if we're to give them the benefit of the doubt. McCarthy's club and his manager have appeared hostile to the notion of international football in the past and are obviously keen to keep him well away from "needless friendlies" whilst he still remains one of their most valuable assets. I'd give more weight to these as possible factors or reasons for the players non-appearance than something being wrong with Trapattoni. As for Wilson, I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt for now as, considering his position, it would be suicidal for him to feign injury when these friendlies give him the chance to get a foot into that left back slot that'll need filling for the next few years to come once Kilbane hangs up his boots.
Good post DI, but I doubt it's worth it...Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
GreenScene have written up a 'The James McCarthy No-Show for Idiots': http://greenscene.me/2011/05/james-m...how-the-facts/
I'm even going to have a read myself. :o
Another piece from Carl O'Malley in the Irish Times: http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/dead...elping-anyone/
Clearly, a lot of confusion for which the FAI must take a certain amount of responsibility. O'Malley suggests Trap has seen the last of McCarthy and Stokes, and maybe Wilson, due to remarks Trap made about them he considered "incendiary"; somewhat unfair on Trap, I feel, considering it does appear there's been a breach of respect here somewhere.Quote:
Admittedly, [the NI post-match] press conference was hugely entertaining but it was confusing too. At one point, Trapattoni suggested they had not seen the scan sent by Wigan for McCarthy, but he was corrected and informed an FAI doctor had. Now, it could be that Trap was saying he had not seen it, which is fine, but at some point the FAI press team should step in and make sure there is no doubt in people’s minds that a scan was received and dismissed, as was asserted in the statement.
The situation arose again when Trap suggested Wilson was missing. After the conference one journalist checked to make sure this wasn’t the official line. It wasn’t, Stoke had been in contact claiming some sort of injury to the defender/midfielder and striker Jon Walters.
Trapattoni was fairly animated throughout the press conference, even more so than usual. Though he didn’t specifically say it was over for McCarthy, he did say this.
“They should come, be checked and then they can go back. This is for you and for the Irish people. This shouldn’t happen anywhere in the world. It’s impossible for me to understand this. This is the first time in all of my years I have seen a situation like this.”
He added: “John O’Shea, Shay Given, Robbie Keane and Richard Dunne who said ‘Mister I’m sorry, I can’t play.’ These are the players of Ireland. The other players are new. We discovered these. Where were they one or two years ago? Where?”
That’s fairly incendiary stuff. First of all, he suggests they have no respect for the country, the people and journalists (well we knew that last one), but he then suggests they were nothing without him. There really is only one conclusion to be drawn from this – that Trap has seen the last of the likes of McCarthy and Anthony Stokes, at least, and maybe Wilson. I haven’t mentioned Stokes until now because he barely warrants the time or space, his excuse of “tiredness” for not turning up pathetic.
This brings us on to Tardelli. The assistant manager claimed yesterday that Trapattoni “spoke about the behaviour of the players. He never doubted whether they were injured.”
Now, this is a bizarre u-turn from a little over 12 hours beforehand. Granted, Trapattoni seemed to skirt around the FAI’s doubts over injury reports, preferring to focus on desire and respect, but he gave his blessing to the email circulated in the first half and Tardelli subsequently contradicted the association’s stance.
“Why not?”
That was his response when asked would the players in question ever play for Ireland again. Well, here’s why not. The manager questioned their desire, honesty and respect for the country and its people. Even if the manager has toned down the rhetoric and offers another chance to them in August, say, will they want to return?
Interestingly, Trapattoni was asked during that post-match press conference whether some of the younger players had lost respect for him. A perfectly legitimate question considering the Italian suggested they had lost respect for the rest of us.
There was an audible ‘harrumph’ from a few rows back. It turned out to be Tardelli. Clearly the assistant manager thought the suggestion ridiculous. Yet yesterday, he said: “The players must show some respect, not just for Giovanni, but for the Irish people, the journalists, Mary O’Brien (of the association’s international department who liaises with players).” That is tacit acknowledgement they had not respected their manager.
Irish Times Soccer Correspondent Emmet Malone quite rightly calls for the appointment of some sort of respected former international to mediate between players and manager, but there is also an urgent need for some sort of coherent and consistent message to come from those in and around the management team. Often it seems quite clear that not everyone is on the same page.
This isn’t to excuse the behaviour of some of the younger players, who could do with some sort of PR team themselves, but it would be a lot easier to be more forthright in condemnation if one had full faith in the message coming from Trapattoni and his team.
At the moment, that is not the case.
Not necessarily attacking Trapattoni's authority, but the intermediary idea aired by Malone seems a positive one. Maybe it would also be worth also investing in a press spokesman just to confirm the meaning behind Trap's often-ambiguous musings and spell out the official line on matters. At least it would pre-empt the need for press releases to clarify initial confusion, which can often have the effect of further muddying the waters when there's so much conflicting information flying around what is already a saturated environment. Trap's job is to manage the team, after all, not to act as an FAI press liaison.
How injured do you have to be to get out of travelling to Dublin to report to the doctor? I'm not trying to defend the players in question but if a player had a genuine injury is it necessary for a player to hop on a plane, report straight to the FAI doctor, get checked and then go home again?
Glad his ankle injury didn't impede his post game celebrations though! If there is a footage of him dancing on tables on youtube then his Irish career is over!!!
UEFA regulations don't oblige players to travel if they're playing and have been assessed in another territory. Whether or not the FAI have their own regulations on matters such as this, I'm not so sure, but it does appear they at least expected the players to travel to Dublin for examination.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Sorry, I should have said FIFA regulations.
The relevant bit is in part 4 of annexe 1 on page 34 of the 'Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players' here: http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affe...sfer2010_e.pdf
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4. Injured players
A player who due to injury or illness is unable to comply with a call-up from the association that he is eligible to represent on the basis of his nationality shall, if the association so requires, agree to undergo a medical examination by a doctor of that association’s choice. If the player so wishes, such medical examination shall take place on the territory of the association at which he is registered.
Look lads we all want the same thing a winning performance with our best players all in the squad with all the players and management going out with a positive attitude.
If Keith O'Neill had sent in a sick note, the FAI would have had to send an air ambulance over for him, if they wanted to see him for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
There is pictures of him out celebrating. That much has been seen over on ybig. And there does seem to be a few videos of the table dancing, but nothing seen yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
As long as Martinez doesn't follow him.
The Liverpool rumour seems to be gathering the most momentum. McCarthy's Gerrard-ish qualities won't have gone unnoticed I s'pose.
Anywhere but Chelsea.
102 times capped Kenny Dalglish would hardly resent James' international involvement either.
Arsenal aren't exactly supportive of international football.
Might resent the fact that it's with us instead of the Scots though! Na, I think Dalglish would be great for him to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sullivinho
Couldn't see him choosing Arsenal over Liverpool anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Neither is James McCarthy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Touché :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinxy
..whereas it seems, when there are south american players involved, that roberto martinez is positively GUNG-HO to let his players leave for international duty...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...n-copa-america
douchebag.
The notable quotation from that is "South American players love playing for their countries"Quote:
Originally Posted by ken foree
Is there a veiled reference there, I wonder!!
Its funny that Trinidad and Tobago is mere miles off the Venezuelan coast and he wouldn't let Jason Scotland play for them and then this comes out.Quote:
Originally Posted by greendeiseboy
They dont speak Spanish in Trinidad and Tobago.Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
Jesus I've cracked it - this is what McCarthy should have asked Martinez :-
"Queiro jugar al futbol internacional para mi pais."
Who honestly believes McCarthy is injured? Certainly not injured enough to cry off for a month. Yes I too have a dislike for Martinez and Whelan FC but McCarthy himself has cried off so many times that Trapatooni had to call him out publicly. I'd love to know the views of Hunt, Long, Whelan, St Ledger, Lawerence and others on this issue. I bet they are delighted their manager is calling out the turn up when I want merchants. FFS we have Stokes saying he is too tired (he left out the unencumbered by talent bit). And I certainly don't want some PR ex footballers telling me everything is smelling of roses. For me Trap and Tardelli have had a great week. Let Trap have his say.