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30/03/2009, 10:14 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by pete

I know the value of fish industry is commonly used by some to suggest the EU haven't given us much money but cou;ld we really sustain an economy with fish? Are there other similar countries making billions from fish?

Iceland? :D It's worth enough that some scandinavian's didn't join the EU... I'm not saying it's a total break even, but it was a significant contribution made by Ireland. Now if only the Irish Navy were as hard on foreign fleets as they are on our own, maybe it wouldn't have had such an impact.
30/03/2009, 10:29 AM
pete

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Originally Posted by Macy

Iceland? :D It's worth enough that some scandinavian's didn't join the EU....

Times are good there now? ;)

Norway have a lot of fish but I am sure the oil is some important.
31/03/2009, 1:11 AM
mypost

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Originally Posted by bennocelt

usual good stuff from Kerrgian in the Indo today saying that maybe the government should ask the Eu for money in return for getting a yes vote - not a bad idea:)

They can throw 3 billion, 30 billion, or 300 billion of Monopoly Money, in order to buy a Yes vote off us, but my vote is not for sale. My voice is more important to me than the size of my wallet. The government is responsible for our economic crisis, it is responsible to get us out of it. Ratifying Lisbon won't.

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Originally Posted by macy

Is that net (no pun intended) of the extensive fishing rights we gave up?

Was down in Arklow Harbour last Autumn, where the fishermen made it very clear why they would reject the treaty, displaying their anger on blackboards at the EU's fisheries policy.
31/03/2009, 11:36 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Dodge

What key appointments have been made during Ireland's presidency?

Any answer yet mypost?
31/03/2009, 8:03 PM
John83

Pete, I don't know if it's even vaguely fair to compare, but this link gives Japan's 2003 fishing industry as outputting US$14 billion gross. That's a lotta tuna.
01/04/2009, 5:58 AM
mypost

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Any answer yet mypost?

Barroso was appointed as European Commission President under our last term in charge. 10 new countries were welcomed into the EU in the Phoenix Park.
At the end of the Presidency, Ireland's EU Commissioner was given one of the most important EU positions, with responsibility for the Internal Market.

In February, the WCQ fixture list was arranged in Dublin, specifically because of holding the Presidency at the time, which contributed to a more favourable fixture list for us.
03/04/2009, 7:04 AM
mypost

Libertas and SIPO:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...243934744.html
21/04/2009, 1:20 AM
mypost

Spotlight on Caroline Simons and Libertas

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...245071285.html

Caroline is a solicitor, and can quote random lines from the Treaty all day, but unlike Declan, isn't the best debater in the world. She'll face a difficult campaign to get elected, in the toughest constituency to get across anti-Treaty views.
28/04/2009, 9:15 AM
pete

Reform Libertas Executive Director defects to Yes side

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IRELAND DOES not have the luxury of a second No vote in the Lisbon Treaty referendum and voters should vote Yes, one of the architects of last year’s Libertas campaign has said.

Naoise Nunn, who resigned as executive director of Libertas last September said: “The circumstances have changed: internationally, economically, financially and domestically.

“We don’t have the luxury of doing anything else. I am glad that we had a referendum. We were the only member state to do so, to have a proper debate, or something like a proper debate,” Mr Nunn told The Irish Times .
28/04/2009, 10:28 AM
superfrank

That should read "former" or "ex-" Libertas director. Come on pete, I hate Libertas as much as the next guy but you are misleading with that one.
28/04/2009, 1:15 PM
mypost

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Originally Posted by pete

The circumstances have changed: internationally, economically, financially and domestically.

Apart from this case, I find that it's usually women are a lot more open to changing minds, and demanding collective "political unity" to deal with current situation, conveniently forgetting that we live in a democracy, there is a democratic process to go through, and final decisions to be made.

The circumstances haven't changed much from June. We were in recession then, now, and after the next ref. It is temporary. If ratified, Lisbon is permanent.

No means No.
28/04/2009, 2:15 PM
pete

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Originally Posted by superfrank

That should read "former" or "ex-" Libertas director. Come on pete, I hate Libertas as much as the next guy but you are misleading with that one.

Edited.
28/04/2009, 5:12 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by mypost

Apart from this case, I find that it's usually women are a lot more open to changing minds, and demanding collective "political unity" to deal with current situation, conveniently forgetting that we live in a democracy, there is a democratic process to go through, and final decisions to be made.

The circumstances haven't changed much from June. We were in recession then, now, and after the next ref. It is temporary. If ratified, Lisbon is permanent.

No means No.

Since you are so keen on the democratic process being followed, can you point me to where in the Constitution it says decisions made are final?

You can use previous referenda on divorce and Europe as examples.
29/04/2009, 4:45 AM
mypost

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Originally Posted by pete

Reform Libertas Executive Director defects to Yes side

Ganley's response
02/05/2009, 6:26 PM
R�iteoir

Have we had any figures released by Libertas as to the sources of their funding - as Ganley promised?

Surely if they have nothing to hide as they said - then we'd have seen something...
03/05/2009, 5:34 AM
mypost

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...245598813.html
03/05/2009, 9:52 AM
Lionel Ritchie

...So it took seven months from the time of asking Declan Ganley to provide details of loan agreements and repayment schedules for him to provide confirmation that Libertas is indeed a one-man show. I'd say that Irish politics needs an operator like this about as much as it needs a bad dose of the clap -but I supppose one in -all in. :rolleyes:

Anyone know how much one of them More-O'Farrell advertisement hoardings costs to rent for a given period of time? I counted SIX of them featuring Ganleys Libertas between Limerick and Ennis on the N18 last weekend.
03/05/2009, 11:43 AM
holidaysong

That Simons one that is running in Dublin has her name and face everywhere too. They seem to have an ad on every single bus in the city.
03/05/2009, 9:12 PM
BohsPartisan

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

...So it took seven months from the time of asking Declan Ganley to provide details of loan agreements and repayment schedules for him to provide confirmation that Libertas is indeed a one-man show.

True but after several tribunals we're still trying to get to the bottom of where FF's money came from.

Yeah Libertas are shady, but its a bit pot/kettle for FF to point the finger isn't it?
03/05/2009, 10:43 PM
Lionel Ritchie

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

True but after several tribunals we're still trying to get to the bottom of where FF's money came from.

Yeah Libertas are shady, but its a bit pot/kettle for FF to point the finger isn't it?

Absolutely true, but just because we've come to expect no better from them is no reason to just accept it as the modus operandi for anyone in the field. Which is why I said...

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

... I'd say that Irish politics needs an operator like this about as much as it needs a bad dose of the clap -but I supppose one in -all in. :rolleyes:
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