Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane

[QUOTE=TheOneWhoKnocks;1828172]The earlier the search for a new manager, the better. It's not working out. [QUOTE]

I agree completely.

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Trapattoni & O'Neill were populist appointments. Ireland should go in a different direction now; they should look very carefully at what Iceland, NI & Belgium have done when they start interviewing other managers.

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Trapattoni was a superb appointment. That first campaign was exactly what we needed at the right time. Defensively solid, and unbeaten. What was then needed was to build upon that and develop. That has not happened.

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Mick McCarthy wouldn't be bad either, but is he the right option or the safe option?

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Too much baggage. I've no issue with him, but I think to go back to Mick would be a mistake. There are better options out there.

If this does come to pass, then you'd have to imagine, Walford, Guppy and McDonagh will go too. That would leave Keane needing to introduce his own staff. That's a dodgy road to go down.

I'll throw a name out now if we're going for former British based players. Chris Hughton.

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

youth and enthusiasm among other things.

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True

But is Irish football at a stage where it can afford to take a chance and a relatively inexperienced manager? i think not

I'm surprised by you JB. If Lennon is the natural appointment, then why wouldn't Leicester be appointing him ahead of O'Neill?

I just do not see the clamour for Lennon, I don't "get" it.

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

I'm surprised by you JB. If Lennon is the natural appointment, then why wouldn't Leicester be appointing him ahead of O'Neill?

I just do not see the clamour for Lennon, I don't "get" it.

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maybe Leicester are making a mistake appointing oneill?
I didn't take the betting on the Leicester job as a barometer of who our best option would be to replace oneill. our options will be limited and lennon would be a good fit out of those options. ideally id like mick back but (a) we don't deserve him after the treatment he received post 2002 wc and (b) I am not sure returning managers ever work

I don't think either Mick or Roy were fully at fault in 2002.

I mean Mick could have handled it a bit better too, instead of throwing Roy under the bus and adding fuel to the fire.

It was just poor form from everyone. Unprofessional build up, bad man-management, Roy's ego...

* Look at John Delaney's carry on 13 years later and ask have things really changed that much.

Roy might be too busy taking paddy power to court to take the Job...

It'd surely be unlikely, but can we definitely assume he will leave if he takes the Leicester job and won't double-job until the end of the campaign?

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

It'd surely be unlikely, but can we definitely assume he will leave if he takes the Leicester job and won't double-job until the end of the campaign?

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that just would not be one bit acceptable at all

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

It'd surely be unlikely, but can we definitely assume he will leave if he takes the Leicester job and won't double-job until the end of the campaign?

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Hadnt thought of that - wud be worried if he did

But would think he will completely quit Ireland if he goes to Leicester

Sad to say it - but will be happy if he moves on - his tenure has been a bit of a disaster considering the wages he is getting paid

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

maybe Leicester are making a mistake appointing oneill?
I didn't take the betting on the Leicester job as a barometer of who our best option would be to replace oneill. our options will be limited and lennon would be a good fit out of those options. ideally id like mick back but (a) we don't deserve him after the treatment he received post 2002 wc and (b) I am not sure returning managers ever work

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The Dutch do it well... sometimes.

So are we looking at more Denis O Brien funding for the next appointment?


Is it a case of paying big money to get a big name in or are we looking at something different ?

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

they should react by replacing him with no 2 on that betting list neil lennon

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For the love of god no! Is that the extent of our ambitions?

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

It'd surely be unlikely, but can we definitely assume he will leave if he takes the Leicester job and won't double-job until the end of the campaign?

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You shut your dirty mouth.

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Originally Posted by ger121

For the love of god no! Is that the extent of our ambitions?

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Yes. We are only a small country etc.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

I don't think either Mick or Roy were fully at fault in 2002.

I mean Mick could have handled it a bit better too, instead of throwing Roy under the bus and adding fuel to the fire.

It was just poor form from everyone. Unprofessional build up, bad man-management, Roy's ego...

* Look at John Delaney's carry on 13 years later and ask have things really changed that much.

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It's like the Greek crisis. You can argue about blame and root causes but the denouement was/is a complete crisis of leadership on all sides.

So far elsewhere I've seen people look for Bob Bradley, Michael Laudrup, Jose Pinto. I'd be very happy with Bob Bradley. Laudrup, I wouldn't be against an appointment, purely for the type of game his teams play, but I think we could do better.
Pinto was surely as tongue-in-cheek as Conte.

I'd be happy for O'Neill to go. I think his ideas are out of date. I'd also be happy for Keane to take sole charge. We can debate the merits of his club experience but I think he'd have a more positive and contemporary approach. O'Neill pi$$ed me off from the start with his public undermining of the squad's ability.

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Originally Posted by ger121

For the love of god no! Is that the extent of our ambitions?

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all a matter of opinion as to lennons credentials for the job but anyone who thinks a long line of good options will be looking to take on the job is deluded

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

O'Neill pi$$ed me off from the start with his public undermining of the squad's ability.

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did he really state this too often? wasn't aware of it if it happened

I'd go for the easy approach. Just upgrade Keane to manager, see how he does for the rest of the campaign. If we do the necessary against Gibraltar and Georgia and something we haven't in an age against either Germany or Poland then let him at it. He would be a risk obviously but then so was Gary Speed at Wales for different reasons (inexperience). At least the long ball approach would be phased out or scrapped, one would imagine. He seems to have the respect/fear of the players and there would be a degree of continuity without having to start from scratch. There have been some signs of progress in the last couple of games so we may as well try to continue on our (admittedly slight) upward curve.

Just to counter that slightly in relation to Stutts point, Keane hasn't been overly complimentary about out playing pool recently either.