I thought the war ended such Edwardian sentiments? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
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I thought the war ended such Edwardian sentiments? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
It is your absolute right to consider Poppies "pointless".Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfman
However, I can assure you that millions of people throughout the World do not consider them pointless. Poignant possibly, but far from piontless.
All the "Brit Bashing" in the world will not stop millions wearing their Poppy in proud and solemn remembrance of The Fallen.
Not at all Mr Fly - it will only change when we have a King.:oQuote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Do you have misgivings surrounding Charles' accession to the throne?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Not at all - my loyalty will then be to King and Nation, not Queen and Nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
I suspected that was what you meant, but I thought I'd stir the pot anyway.
Are you happy with the future Queen Consort as well?
Except it has been. See Solitude's post as a very small example. And the far right in Britain enthusiastically embrace Remembrance Day and associated symbols annually....Quote:
Originally Posted by Not BrazilIt hasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
eg. http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/a...rs-of-disgrace
http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/abou...itical-parties
Ok, so there are some in Canada, but be amazed if it runs to 'millions' more...Quote:
Millions of people, throughout the World, with no connection to "loyalism" and "British nationalist institutions" (whatever they are?) wear a Poppy with pride.
A curious association to make.Quote:
That's like me saying the noble National Flag of the Republic Of Ireland has been hijacked by Republican terrorists and criminal gangs, such as those who slaughtered Mr Black only a couple of weeks ago.
Sad that people are dying, but there's limited point in such pride when the whole conflict is so pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
My sympathy though is far more with the people who've been invaded.
Except that plenty of British people of my acquaintance (and not), beyond the suffering both inflicted or received, don't care for their armed forces at all. And would have no great appreciation of 'our fallen' since 1945, which sounds antiquated at best.Quote:
I do believe that your fanciful notion that Citizens of the United Kingdom will ever forget the sacrifices of our Fallen is mere wishful thinking. They will never be forgotten. Not ever.
And I can assure many British people will no longer buy poppies as they don't want to be associated with illegal wars or the far-right, as per above...Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Guessing this figure too, would also run into 'millions'...
Ah he's hardly at an age yet where anyone has to worry about him making the upstairs loo in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
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Apologies, I thought you said ascension. Carry on.
How many prayers have you said for the countless women and children who have been caught up and killed in the fighting in the country the armed forces that you and she supported are occupying? People who were already desperately impoverished and vulnerable before they got caught up in yet another war, the third such major conflict Afghanistan has been involved in in the last 30 years. Did you have a remembrance day for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Its people like you and your ridiculous patriotic nonsense that allow these politicians to send these young, misguided individuals to these countries on the pretext of protecting their nation from some unseen, unquantifiable danger. The call of people to arms for many centuries. As Herman Goering said in Nuremberg "Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
What job did she love? Invading third world countries under a false pretext? Propping up corrupt puppet regimes? Stealing those countries natural resources where available?
If these misguided souls weren't willing to go to these countries in the first place there would be no such invasions. In the many wars that Britain have been involved in over the last 150 years, totaling up all the people their armed forces have killed, how many were in reality a threat to the average British person's way of life? The Nazis are the only ones I can think of in all that time. The Falklands could possibly also be justified as a measured defence against a foreign aggressor to British territory but these are the exceptions to the rule in the two dozen or so wars fought by the British in that time.
As mentioned earlier they deserve neither my respect nor remembrance. If you go to prop up corrupt regimes in other people's countries whilst also working to expand your own countries national interests then you are by all means choosing to put yourself in the line of fire. I'll reserve my respect and remembrance for the civilians caught in the crossfire and the red cross workers trying to help the most vulnerable people in such scenarios. Not the instruments of war and oppression.
Regarding your last point, you my friend existing in that bubble of reality called Northern Ireland are a dinosaur of a bygone age. The average English person where I live in the South East who's considerably less than pensionable age has no great vested interest in remembrance day or the current plight of their armed forces. They have similar opinions to me on the matter than you which will come as no great surprise to anyone who's lived over here.
Well said YI. War is normally a pointless diversion from other more serious domestic issues.
At no time since 1945 have Britain or the US been under direct threat within their own domestic territory in any conflict.
Of course it hasn't been hijacked by the far-right. Come on AB.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
See Skstu's posts earlier. It is worn widely in Canada, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
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I think it's time for this whole discussion to be continued in a new thread in the current affairs section.
Hope Not Hate would beg to differ. If people must wear poppies, why not the white ones?
And Canada, yes. But who else? On any widespread scale?
I prefer what Robert Fisk says.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...d-6257416.html
Australia, NZ and Northern Ireland.
Just doing a bit of research (er Wikipedia) and I'm going to be wearing the purple poppy next year.
I wouldn't be averse to wearing the white poppy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
I imagine it's worn in many of the former and current Commonwealth countries. I couldn't really comment as to the scale of its use though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Perhaps some of our posters in the land down under can help?
Don't worry about AB Mr Fly - let him display his ignorance until his heart is content.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Suffice to say, the far right haven't "hijacked" anything from me. They never will. Those from Right, Left and Centre in politics wear the Poppy with Pride.
It's worn by millions throughout The Commonwealth in proud Remembrance.
The Fallen will never be forgotten, no matter how much "Brit Bashers" wish it would not be so.
What ignorance?
You mean you don't agree...
;)
Just found this online - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-1...essure/4365180
Anyway, people should make up their own minds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_poppy
Nothing to do with "Brit Bashing". After all many of their own citizens don't agree, for the reasons cited. Good on them.
so, we're in agreement then
his second season has been poor, mainly due to the high standards from the impact he made after breaking into the first team