I hadn't heard. All I needed to do was look at the poster's name and it says everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sullivinho
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I hadn't heard. All I needed to do was look at the poster's name and it says everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sullivinho
Exactly what I was thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
Though they should be relishing the opportunity to stick it to all those cranks
You may be right and if that is the case well to an extent then fair enough but be a man about it and say it your manager. But the other side of the coin is that they knew that declaring for Ireland there was a possibility that this could happen. It jsut stinks really. To date McCarthy has caused more hassle than he is worth. Im willing to give Wilson some benefit of a doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
With a crucial qualifier in less than a fortnight, this is extremely disappointing. You only have to look at the likes of O'Dea, St. Ledger, Ward, Hunt and Foley (maybe even Fahey?) to see it was hardly impossible to come - the fact these guys couldn't follow suit is ridiculous. I wouldn't necessarily say Trap will shun them, but we know his form and his anger is clear. Can't say I blame him, there's no real excuse for this.
Has anyone cleared up exactly what the story with the Stoke contingent is? Did they show up late or not at all? If it's just Wilson and Walters getting slammed, did Whelan come over on his own?
'We called these players, they didn't answer, they didn't come.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
'We will have to decide why we call them up next time.
'This is their federation, the FAI. McCarthy, Wilson and Walters didn't come, they didn't bother answering.
'We have been watching these players over one month, two months.
'If they are injured that is okay but they must come to us and see our doctor. It is about respect.
'It shouldn't happen anywhere, not just Ireland.'
Yeah I got that - it's just there was some confusion last night and Trap's track record on quote accuracy isn't the best. Whelan hasn't been mentioned at all - from those quotes it's fair to assume he did come, but wouldn't an article mention that? It's newsworthy since it damns Wilson and Walters further.Quote:
Originally Posted by KK77
I hope this mess will all be sorted by the Macedonia game.
I want to say We should just move forward with players who want to be here... But I also would like to make a Tournament at some point.
McCarthy is young and stupid and he is acting that way.
The bit I don't like is the subterfuge. Just guessing, but I can't imagine Wigan trying to pull a stroke unless McCarthy asked them for help.
The lesson to be learned here is that James should have kept a few different x rays on standby, from when he really did damage his ankle.
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Well, Trap has said something to the effect that 'the players are like my children'.
Anyone here with children should know without any difficulty when their kids are trying to pull a fast one. Trap knows what he has told these players about how they are expected to act and based on his experiences with them I trust his expressed position implicitly.
McCarthy is fortunate, in a way, that he is not alone this time. I would expect Trap to give them all a serious dressing down with an ultimatum.
Seems like everyone is talking about it. http://www.newstalk.ie/2011/sport/ha...ay-footballer/
Some people have suggested that James might not want to play the country of his birth this Sunday.
However, he played against Scotland for the U17s a few years ago: http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=c...k=view&id=1837
Not even petits ones?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sullivinho
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soc...297761817.html
Strong words from Marco here. Think this saga is going to run into the August squad. Will he, won't he? FFS!
“James has an injury, the season for him was very hard. He played with a problem in his ankle, I believe him,” Tardelli told reporters. “For us, it is not a problem. If we call him up for the next match and he comes, it is not a problem. The problem with McCarthy is not whether he comes or not, the problem is his behaviour.”
McCarthy needs to man up and make contact with the Ireland camp in the next few days, come over, get assessed and take it from there, rather than hiding behind some dubious injury and that creep Martinez! If he can't do that then out of respect to those who turn up for every squad he should be told to toddle on and 'concentrate on his club career'.
This 'treating the best players with kid-gloves' stuff is a fundamental problem in football at all levels - and above all, the national team, the pinnacle of Irish football, should not be seen to pander to such prima donna behaviour. If McCarthy is serious about his international career then he should sort this out himself without delay. Not wanting to play against Scotland is not an excuse for his disrespect towards Trap, Marco and the FAI.
Also, in a season or two he will likely be at a big club earning squillions. Where will his 'loyalty' to Wigan be then?
thought i saw him listed as a sub?Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I dont even understand the above quote from Tardelli. The behavior has been IN if he comes or not. He seemed contrite the last time and excited to get in the game.
Tardelli reveals McCarthy has an ankle problem today (Weds).Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooby Doo
FAI have confirmed Wigan told them about the injury on Sunday.
Yet Trap never thought to mention this injury during his outbust on Monday afternoon at his press conference when the suggestion was he'd gone AWOL.
More than one guilty party here.
You're correct actually. I was under the impression he was injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
See this match preview, for example: http://www.goal.com/en-gb/match/5753...reland/preview
Taking to the bench with injury; even more committed!Quote:
Republic have a depleted defence to choose from with both Sean St Ledger and Richard Dunne ruled out through injury.
So has Alan Byrne, the FAI's doctor, amended the original diagnosis he made upon seeing the scans that McCarthy's injury wasn't serious enough to keep him out or what? Has McCarthy actually sustained an injury that will keep him out for three or four weeks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf Honn
Wait til he's dead though and see what he's really made of... Injury, pah!Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
From the Irish Times:
Trapattoni knew more than he revealed on Monday, because what was received the previous night (Sunday) was a text from Wigan claiming the ankle injury was sustained during the 1-0 win over Stoke City, of which McCarthy played 90 minutes, and a scan would follow.
“The Irish team doctor responded that evening to ask when the scan would be carried out,” explained an extraordinarily specific FAI communiqué circulated during the game, “and Wigan replied that they would send it the following day (Monday). On Monday at 6.37pm the Irish team doctor received an email from Wigan with a scan which showed no evidence of significant injury. At 6.39pm the Irish team doctor replied to ask when the player would be reporting.
“No response has been received since and the FAI has written to Wigan today (Tuesday) regarding the matter.”
The mystery here is why didn't Trap enlighten the public on Monday about the news from Wigan sent the previous night? The official line then was that neither Wigan or McCarthy has made any contact. The FAI statement issued above on Tuesday contradicts that account given on Monday.
This statement only emerged after Martinez had confirmed McCarthy's injury in the Wigan press and said the FAI 'were already well aware' of it.
Republic of Ireland the ongoing reality series. Part 11.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/t...ct-155793.htmlQuote:
Addressing the FAI’s querying of Wigan’s medical assessment of McCarthy, Tardelli said: "It’s not that they (the FAI) didn’t believe him but the scan which they received didn’t give a clear sign of a bad injury or a difficult injury. What we are saying is he could have come in (and been assessed by the FAI’s medical staff) and then gone back to his club."
But then he quickly moved on to what, as far as the Irish management is concerned, is regarded as the heart of the matter.
"The problem with James McCarthy is not if he comes or not, the problem is the behaviour," he said. "Mary O’Brien (of the FAI’s International Department) sent him the message and he never answered. Mary O’Brien is a woman who works for the FAI.
"She needs respect. Also you (the media) need respect. Why you ask me always about James McCarthy? Ask James McCarthy. We respect allplayers. We deserve respect like the Irish people, the journalists, the FAI and Mary O’Brien. Giovanni and I went to Wigan in a car, a three hour journey (to meet McCarthy).
"We spoke with James. I think the FAI, Giovanni, me, we need all Irish players. James McCarthy has a problem, he has an injury. The season for James McCarthy was very hard. He played with the problem in his ankle. I believe him, I believe(Anthony) Stokes, I believe the other players. But sometimes it’s possible to come here to be assessed by the doctor and then go back. "For us, there isn’t any problem."
Tardelli insisted that this week’s controversy does not mean that the Ireland management team will not call up the players concerned again. However, by emphasising the commitment of the players who have been in camp, he implied that the missing men will have their work cut out to make up lost ground, "If McCarthy, Waters and Wilson come here and are injured, and others come in and do well, then we must decide," he said. " If (Stephen) Ward plays well, scores a goal, why must I pickWilson? I will pick the player who is better at that moment. But every player has a future in the Ireland team."
Maybe the FAI impose their own obligations upon players when it comes to medical examination, but there's a bit in this article about the actual obligations upon players under FIFA's regulations when it comes to such examination: http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/fai-s...#ixzz1NQ2NnD9p
Am I correct in assuming that McCarthy's reported non-communication with the FAI for a couple of weeks is no longer an issue then given that it is now accepted by the FAI that they received word from Wigan on Sunday evening, a day before Trapattoni strangely alleged the FAI hadn't received contact for quite some time; that the issue now is whether the injury is actually genuine and whether he should have travelled to Dublin regardless of scans in Wigan or not to undergo an assessment with the FAI's doctor? Or has Tardelli effectively acknowledged that the injury is genuine but is still arguing that McCarthy should have seen the FAI doctor nevertheless?Quote:
Annex One of FIFA’s ‘Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players’ states that any injured player "shall, if the national association so requires, agree to undergo a medical examination by a doctor of that association’s choice".
But it then immediately follows that "if the player so wishes, such medical examination shall take place on the territory of the association at which he is registered".
As such, the burden of obligation is open to interpretation.
Yours sincerely,
Confused.
Dumb article. Players not returning calls or texts is a lack of class.
Of course there's common sense in letting players rest after a hard season, but coming over to a posh hotel beside the sea isn't hard work. They can train and play according to their state of fitness and well being. Trap could or should have given some players slack to arrive late. But blanking the manager and the FAI is the real lack of class.
Beat me to it Stuttgart88. Terrible article. The issue is a lack of common courtesy on the part of the players.
I would argue that this was as "proper" a game as any, even if there is a glitzy Champions League final coming up at the weekend, whatever the relevance of that to us is. This guy appears to be justifying players "turning their backs" on Ireland after "long seasons" in a "cut-throat, professional game", even, it would appear, if they were not injured, as he gives no mention to that possibility. It's essential that our players play and spend as much time as possible together, especially now as we've an extremely important Euro qualifier coming up against Macedonia in Skopje on Saturday week. Fair enough, the timing of this round of games was poorly organised but the Wolves contingent had no problems coming over and performing fantastically. They'd had a relegation dog-fight on Sunday as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckydee
Would Ferguson be so protective if his players failed to show up for training and, as he understood, without explanation? I do acknowledge that Wigan contacted the FAI on Sunday but it appears Trapattoni wasn't the slightest bit aware of this during the Monday press conference for whatever reason. From his perspective, he had a right to be miffed at the time as it would have been his belief that McCarthy was ignoring him.Quote:
[Trapattoni] has developed a habit of late of sounding off about his players in the media and a compliant press, who appear in awe of him because he is Italian, give him an open forum. Look at Sir Alex Ferguson as a comparison. He won’t take any criticism about his players. He gets that loyalty that Trappatoni appears not to.
I'll ignore the silly comment accusing the FAI of "poaching" and "openly approaching" northern players bar rejecting it as I don't want to be the one who takes another topic off course. :p
Not sure if there's any extra info here or if it was already out there and has been mentioned: http://www.sportinglife.com/football...D=eire&BID=251
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Trapattoni's assistant coach Marco Tardelli attempted to clarify the situation on Wednesday but, in a fractious press conference, he achieved little of the sort with some unclear statements.
The Italian said: "Every player has a future in the Irish team. Why not? The problem with James McCarthy was that the message was never answered.
"I don't know if there is an injury or not - I believe he is injured.
"He is a young player and he wants to come here to play, but maybe he is injured. We believe him. Giovanni never doubted there was an injury.
"It is not that they didn't believe it but the scan we received didn't give a clear sign of a bad injury.
"He could have come, been assessed and then gone back to his club."
Daniel McDonnell highly critical of McCarthy and Wilson!
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...e-2658230.html
A YBIG'er is saying he's available for selection on Sunday. He's a known troll though, goes by the name, The Muppet. Make of that what you will.
This is a source of much of my confusion too. Trap was either unaware of Wigan's communication (which likely means someone at the FAI fudged up) or he deliberately ignored it, probably on the basis of 'if the player doesn't turn up to be assessed or doesn't talk directly, then he's absent'. It may also be partly a case of calling Wigan's bluff - with Trap downright annoyed at the no-show, he probably refused to believe the injury until he saw it for himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Either way I don't really see how people can discredit Trap for this - we shouldn't put up with this kind of nonsense from players. Sure the game was badly timed, but we have a crucial qualifier in just over a week. If anyone has a desire to be involved in that game, they should have been here. And as Stutts mentioned, it's downright disrespectful and a real lack of class they seemingly didn't let anyone know.
In the Examiner Taerdelli is saying that the real problem was McCarthy not responding to Mary O'Brien's efforts to co-ordinate travel plans.
It seems that Walters is off the hook, but definitely finished for the season.
Lets cut to the chase here. McCarthy isnt injured and wasnt injured either if you ask me. That was a BS story created by Wigan. Why he hasnt travelled over I dont know. Is it because of the end of season celebrations, a want not to play against Scotland or a dislike of Trap or even worse apathy towards playing for Ireland.
I dont know. But personally Im starting to think this young lad has been a lot more hassle than his worth so far. Not responding to the calls is ridiculous, not to mention rude and arrogant. If he and the others wanted an extra couple of days before coming over, the least they could have done is requested so, im sure it wouldve been accomodated.
The deliberate non communication from McCarthy before the game is an issue but not a hanging offense on its own.
That was followed by his club sending inconclusive scans, followed by more deliberate non-communication from McCarthy.
No wonder there was a level of deep skepticism on this side. Whatever the issue between player and management, there has to be trust established and James is still on probation since previous times.
In his Indo article O'Donnell goes onto blame Trap for
'In the past, Trapattoni was to blame for some confusing public statements which could have been solved by making an attempt to contact the player directly.
Stubbornly, he refused to do so, until the February circus over his international allegiance got out of hand. Trapattoni broke from his usual modus operandi to fly from Italy to sort things out.´
Quite frankly, I thought O'Donnell's analysis was bull at the time and more so now in the light of McCarthy's continued taciturnity after Trap and Tardelli met McCarthy and the game against Macedonia.
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Originally Posted by geysir
geysir, this is what happens when Daniel O' Donnell writes football articles!
ya its simple you get called over you turn up or at worst make call to say why in person. if he didnt want to play against scotland then why didnt he go join up with them in the first place. hes qualified now for us so hes making it very awkward for himself..that or he will do a stephen ireland on it and just end up staying away.
He's about as injured as you and I are. I reckon it was decided that he'd be nowhere near these end of season games. Martinez's "He'll decide in the summer" line comes back to mind. James headed off to dance on tables and whatnot, safe in the knowledge that his club would handle any 'communication' with the FAI but things got fudged and Ireland ultimately called Wigan's bluff on the issue. I find it hard to believe that McCarthy himself would just completely blank the FAI and expect there wouldn't be any issues over that, especially after the hullabaloo earlier in the year. I'd like to know if the FAI have a direct line of contact with him or are still going through Wigan who never struck me as the most helpful of intermediaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy