pretty much sums it up - worked hard but didn't create much. had one decent chance to make it three-nil when a ball broke to him outside the area, but he snatched at the chance and put it high and wide.Quote:
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pretty much sums it up - worked hard but didn't create much. had one decent chance to make it three-nil when a ball broke to him outside the area, but he snatched at the chance and put it high and wide.Quote:
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Shame he's suspended. Watched West Bron's second half V Palace on Saturday and he was west Brom's only bright spark.
I don't remember him giving the ball away and he cut a very frustrated figure at his team-mates' inability to pass the ball properly
Apparently McClean almost caused a riot by giving the Sunderland fans a fist pump after West Brom beat them 1-0 at The Hawthorns today. Good man James, things were pretty calm there for a month or so. Can't be having that.
This is it I think just about off the screen at about 0.07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgFR8klWNHk
He is a bit unlucky if it were not for widescreen the incident would not have been recorded!
Bit rich seeing Graham taking umbrage with someone sticking it to the Sunderland supporters. Cattermole wasn't long after him getting stuck in, as would be expected.
You can see Gardner giving McClean a telling off as he walks him off the field.
He's a passionate boy is our James and I'm sure that he endured no end of abuse down that end of the field either.
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=17309.0
Mixed views from the Baggies fans on the incident and on his performance but the consensus is that he did well. One supporter asserting that he's just a workhorse with more saying he played well.
I think it's hilarious. Pulis hit the nail on the head, he just celebrated on the field after the game. He endured endless abuse from that section of support, it seems. Pretty pathetic by Graham charging over trying to act the hard man in front of the supporters.
I saw a little bit of the match and it included some good play from McClean, he seemed
confident, looked to be having a good game.
James McClean ‘not the sharpest tool in the box’ says Pulis after WBA-Sunderland melee
http://www.the42.ie/james-mcclean-co...95013-Oct2015/
http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/arti...Sunderland.jpg
A bit unfair that, I guess he is just trying to defuse the situation.
Actually that is qoted out of context he actuall said
"He's not the sharpest tool in the box, but he's a smashing lad"
Nothing about nothing.
Player gets abuse for 90 minutes and then decides to do a fist pump at the end. Big deal. I'd have done an Adebayor (When he scored for City vs Arsenal) in the same position. Good on him I say.
McClean is just branded now. Anything he does in a game, other than play football, is hyper-anaylsed for something to get a few hits or sell a few papers.
Speaking of newspapers, the acid test of public, the comment section of the Daily Mail, is more favourable to McClean than
not.
This is the highest rated comment.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...away-fans.html
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Hold on a second. The man was subject to sectarian abuse for most of the game by more than just a few fans. He reacted in the perfect manner. When Henry did it away in eastern Europe after getting racist chants, he was considered ( and rightly so) a legend. The same when Walcott put up the 2-0 to spurs. It was McCleans choice not to wear a poppy. If one is forced to wear a symbol, regardless of what it represents, good or bad, it kills the message behind it. The same when he didn't stand to the national anthem. It's his choice. No clubs ges ever play national anthems for this reason prior to games, and to have played it that day was just wrong. Football shouldn't be about race, beliefs, sexual orientation, political views etc. It's a game where everyone should be welcome and not asked to get involved in anything that has nothing to do with the game.
Scummy Sunderland fans/players can dish out abuse all during the game but can't take it when it when it's returned in a small dose after the game. What a bunch of low grade cowardly whiners. McClean has nothing to answer to.
McClean articles write themselves at this point. "...latest in a series of incidents", "courts controversy", "well known for his brash attitude" etc, etc. All because of that stupid flower.
Poor form from James. Heart on his sleeve stuff.
He's a professional footballer and whilst he shouldn't have to put up with any kind of obuse, that doesn't mean he can retaliate or provocate.
easily provoked so. a couple of fist pumps a good 30m from the sunderland fans?! a total non event in my bookQuote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
Watched it a few times, there's nothing in it. Graham starts it IMO by squaring up to McClean, and the rest of the squad join in.
He leaves the rest of the both sets of players to go down to the Sunderland fans and gives a couple of fist pumps. No need for it and he's an idiot for doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Well I'd hardly say there's nothing in it, it is what it is, a fist pump to the opposition supporters. Just a matter of opinion then whether one considers that his entitlement or whether he should be professional enough to turn the other cheek. I like him and can see both sides, but it's pretty obvious it would be more beneficial for his club who pay him a decent wage, his own reputation and the general safety inside the stadium if he left it off, but I can see the temptation and a part of me loves him for it, I must admit.
Gary Neville did something similiar. Utd fans loved him, Liverpool fans loathed him. Slight difference in that Neville didn't have much previous. Pulis's post match comments nailed it. James is not the smartest tool in the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
After the good grace he had built up with GypsyBlackCat.....
I agree. Couldn't believe when I saw it on MOTD last night what all the fuss was about. The game is becoming so bloody santised. His reputation goes before him on this one but it's not like he went over and goaded the fans. Not advisable but it should be acknowledged that he was subject to abuse from the away fans for the entire game. Unfortunately he has made himself a target for such abuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Worst thing is that McClean's name gets the headline. Graham confronting him was what caused the media stir. But he'll hardly gain a mention in the media because the English media loves a good James McClean story. Newcastle's Danny Graham will hardly garner a mention. Sure he wears a poppy when he's told.
I'd say myself and Joe are in the minority so. As it stands, I have no time for him, and think he's a clown of the highest order. Sectarian abuse? Ask my posterior. The abuse the African lads get is proper abuse, and it's rare in the majority for them to react.
McClean's a fool who loves the attention.
Danny Graham looks like some knob all the same... especially as he's being held back there at the end, the proper English hard man's "come on den, come on den" approach, safe in the knowledge that nothing is actually going to happen.
To be fair you could apply that to nearly every race of man. Knuckle-draggers isn't that what they're referred to?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Probably, but it's an absolute way of life from what I've witnessed over there. I always thought of it as small c0ck syndrome but knuckle-draggers fits the bill for sure.
Much ado about nothing. If fans boo a player all game they can't get upset if the player makes a pretty mild expression of pleasure back. Graham started the aggravation. In general I'd agree with Kingdom but I think some incidents need to be kept in perspective.
a) it's not a competition - somebody else getting worse abuse does not make his reaction any more or less unreasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
b) regardless of how rare or otherwise it is for other people to react, doesn't make McClean's reaction any more or less unreasonable.
He gave a fist pump in the general direction of some idiots who were giving him dog's abuse. Anybody who takes it out of that slightly ridiculous context is the fool for me.
McClean gets FA punishment
(Note; FA meaning f**k all) :p
Just as I wrote, McClean has no case to answer.
Go easy Kingdom, Graham probably has a mother who loves him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
Your comparison is way out of the mark and almost reads that a good little black player is one who doesn't react to racist abuse. And "proper abuse"? what's proper abuse? Ethnic bigoted foul abuse directed at an Irishman isn't proper abuse?Quote:
Sectarian abuse? Ask my posterior. The abuse the African lads get is proper abuse, and it's rare in the majority for them to react
I suppose Kirk Broadfoot would agree with you :)
Actually if a black player reacted to racial abuse with a gentle fist pump post game, would that attract censure from you?
Do you think the abuse Mido received from Newcastle fans wasn't proper abuse, that (similar to what McClean received) foul, sectarian, ethnic based abuse directed at Mido was not real abuse? That if post match, Mido had made some mild gesture to the abusers post he should be censured and no action taken against the opposition players who aggressively surrounded him and no action taken against the bigoted opposition fans?
The McClean syndrome in England is similar to what Lennon faced in Scotland, similar in that people who were not the most educated or socially aware, blamed Lennon for the abuse and if there was abuse, they opined that it wasn't bigoted/sectarian in nature that needed to be sanctioned because it was just directed at a hateful, wee angry red head, irish nationalist Lennon, who aggravated fans and was responsible for the abuse he received.
Thankfully there have been some shifting of attitude towards that type of redirected racism.
The Sunderland players should have been rapped on the knuckles, video evidence of those Sunderland fans should have been scrutinised and a few of the loud mouth should be selected for criminal action or/and sporting related sanctions.
And yes McClean will have to depend on authorities taking action like they did against Broadfoot and gaining support in different ways.
It would be ridiculous if he missed a game for celebrating in somebody's general direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedBench
He did get a formal warning though, so they obviously saw it as unwelcome, unsavoury, provocative or whatever. I would assume if he does the same thing again the punishment will be greater, so it's not as if they've looked at it and condoned his actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=16535.450
WBA forum seems to be coming down in favour of McClean, in general.
Again, this perception that he's an IRA supporter because he likes a "pro-IRA" song crops up... That's getting a bit tiresome. But it's a lovely stick for the ignorant to beat him with to help satisfy their own agendas.
A somewhat 'mixed' reaction on the Sunderland forum :D
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/mcclean.1148121/
Actually he even has some support there
The thread is is interesting to read, not that I have read it all, there are incredibly of 1000 replies in it since the incident, that is some going!!Quote:
Our fans were abusing him the whole game so they shouldnt cry about it if he does the same.
To put that in perspective that is about the same number as the total posts in O'Shea Doyle's or Clark's treads!
Another post from the Sunderland forum.
Granted some of the posts are somewhat more hostile, but overall the incident has done him more good than harm.Quote:
We slaughtered him for 90 mins and he gave a bit back.
Tbh if you can't take a bit of stick back, don't dish it out.
This one made me laugh though.
:DQuote:
I have got a problem with some overpaid arsehole goading our fans at the final whistle over a win that the ref gave them, and then ignoring his manager calling him "not the sharpest tool in the box" by posting a picture of him doing that on Twitter
I see Black Cat Gypsy is over there talking nonsense about nobody wanting Derry City in the LOI, as if he has a clue about anything LOI fans want. It's fine pretending to be a Bohs fan on here but it's a bit rich doing it elsewhere.Quote:
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I see that got 55 likes so there is some degree of sanity over there. Gas the way some others mention Graham and Catts "sorting him"!Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
I've come to the conclusion that Gypsy Black Cat doesn't even really know what he's saying himself. Some of the stuff said on that Sunderland forum would make you wince.