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Maybe it wasn't Kerr
I wasn't questioning you by the way, more curious if it was something Kerr might have said after the event. I always found it a bit odd that Delap's secret weapon stayed exactly that for so long, to my mind at least.
I came across this piece about Matthew Shiels in a copy of the Leader (a local Donegal paper) sitting in a pile of old papers. It features some info in the lad's Irish roots and his local connections (although the author is getting his FIFA articles mixed up when he talks of article 18 being the "granny rule").
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'twas Trapp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Remember when Rangers players used to get booed in Lansdowne Road. Never taught anything of it at the time, but now it seems ridiculous.
Matthew Shiels lined out for Scotland's under-19s the other day, two weeks after lining out for our under-19s: https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football...ic-of-ireland/
Both games were non-competitive.
Is he a double Agent.....But for Whom /Who ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Patrick Bamford scored a his first hat-trick tonight, making it six goals in his last three games... would it look really bad if we made an approach now?
No he's just a dirty floozy trying to tease us!Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
We’d have to get someone that doesn’t mind feeling dirty . He knows he is qualified . If he wants to all he has to do is let the right people know he is interested . One has to have some self respect .Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
In any case, we have never convinced any former England U21 player to play for us so it seems it's a no no in any case.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
It's a tricky one. He never ruled us out. But a few barren years and now very average championship scoring record and we are talking about him claiming. Is that making him think about claiming? At the moment it appears to me like his stock would have to fall another bit for him to claim for us. Hard to know how I would feel about it. His England dream is quite remote now so why hasn't he claimed. How much more remote must it get?
I thought Jon Macken had played U21 for England, but according to wikipedia he only played at U20 levelQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
Paddy McEleney scored on his Oldham debut today away to Scunthorpe. Oldham won 2-0 with Eoin Doyle scoring the second.
This is an odd one - Son of Pierce, and nephew of David O'Leary - Ryan (O'Leary) Pierce formerly of Aberdeen and Kilmarknock is now starring in a Canadian Soccer Drama called 21 Thunder. If he ever wins an Oscar can we claim him like the Brits claim all of our actors?!!
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Arsehole talk
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/sport/foot...BJQyR5?ocid=st
unbelievable nonsense as usual from o Neill. Martin o Neill needs to come out and say he has no intention of contemplating any such gentleman's agreement. Brian Kerr's attitude to this always annoyed the life out of me this pandering to the northern quasi football state. If I'm born in cork or in antrim I'm Irish and if I want to play for Ireland I can end of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Michael o Neill would be spending this weekend trying to get mctomminey to play for Scotland if the Scots had come up with enough cash and a long-term contract for him after he interviewed for that job before Christmas so he is not exactly Mr loyal. Turning it into a Catholic protestant argument is pathetic anyone who wants to represent their country of Ireland has always been welcome.
He says Rory Hale hasn't got picked for us yet he is in our 21 s squads and the Rory brown lad only switched a few months ago and has been in our 18/19s squads so that is more tripe.
The last time a few months ago he went off on one of these rants he thought aoron mceneff had switched when only his brother actually had which would hardly fill you with confidence. Noel king takes slot of flak but I hope he continues to work to fascilite lads to come across from the north to play for their country
Easy solution. Start targeting every NI born player from the age of 15 0nwards. I can imagine some of the more colourful answers the FAI might receive from some parties, but let's not be perceived to be racist!
I thought the IFA had moved on from this embarrassing nonsense.
What is O'Neill's evidence for all this? How does he know these Catholic players didn't initiate contact with the FAI? How does he know the FAI were supposedly interested in McNair if the FAI "stayed away from it"? That would imply the association didn't approach him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philip Quinn
This notion of a sectarian selection policy is such baloney seeing as players from all sorts of religious backgrounds have played for us, including players from Ulster Protestant backgrounds such as Alan Kernaghan, Alex Bruce and Adam Barton.
O'Kane is a humanist. ;)Quote:
The five players born in the North capped for the Republic of Ireland at senior level by Martin O’Neill are all Catholic: James McClean, Shane Duffy, Darron Gibson, Marc Wilson and Eunan O’Kane.
Anyway, it's hardly a surprise most of our players from the north also come from Catholic backgrounds seeing as it is generally people from Catholic backgrounds who identify as nationally Irish. You might have the likes of Stephen Nolan "swinging both ways", but the number of Protestants in the north who support Ireland over NI would be rather small.
That's a misrepresentation of the rule. There is no FIFA rule specifically tailored to favour the FAI. The rule in question - article 5 of the Regulations Governing the Application of the Statutes - is not contentious and features the general eligibility principle. It says that "[a]ny person holding a permanent nationality that is not dependent on residence in a certain country is eligible to play for the representative teams of the Association of that country". Only Irish nationals can play for Ireland. If a player is a British citizen only, he is not eligible to play for the FAI.Quote:
While there is speculation another Catholic, QPR striker Paul Smyth, a Belfast-born GAA fan, may be tempted to switch ranks under the contentious FIFA rule which allows a player born anywhere on the island to declare for the Republic.
Is he conflating media speculation with a supposed FAI policy? Have the FAI assumed Smyth wants to play for Ireland? How would O'Neill know this? Simply on the basis of a speculative newspaper article?Quote:
‘You can’t assume just because a player from the North watches GAA that he wants to play for the Republic of Ireland. I liked the GAA, so did Jim Magilton, and Martin O’Neill,’ said O’Neill. ‘There was a recent article about Paul Smyth, which could easily have been written a few years ago about Stuart Dallas, when he was breaking into Brentford team.
‘But Stuart wasn’t mentioned. Why? Because he’s Protestant. That’s what annoys us the most.
Everything the FAI do stays within the confines of the same set of eligibility rules (articles 5-8) by which every other association has to play, so it's hardly unscrupulous. And it doesn't matter where else players might have a "direct bloodline" to; if they're Irish nationals and satisfy the eligibility criteria, they're eligible to play for us.Quote:
O’Neill questioned the FAI’s ‘unscrupulous’ means of sourcing players with a direct bloodline to Northern Ireland.
He seems to think the FAI require the IFA's permission to facilitate Irish nationals who wish to play for their country. What planet is he on?Quote:
‘There is no consultation, the Republic just go and weasel away and take the player,’ he said.
Those players aren't zombies or unconscious automatons. They would have made a decision, most likely with the assistance of their families and friends, and would have weighed up the benefits and the risks. The FAI would have then facilitated their choice. Maybe these players are happier to be simply fighting for a chance to represent their country than they would be racking up caps for an entity with which they don't identify.Quote:
‘Daniel Devine of Partick Thistle is a West Belfast boy and would have gone to Euros (2016) with us. Only he can’t play for Northern Ireland as he’s signed an international transfer.’
‘They (FAI) don’t really care about the player, just care about taking him.
‘They’ve taken Northern Ireland players and not played them, Daniel was one, Rory Hale another. Rory Brown, a goalkeeper is the most recent.
‘I can list you 10 players who’ve made that decision and have never represented the Republic.
‘Why take them? What is point of asking a player to change his allegiance, to make a decision about his whole international future, and then not pick him?’
Also, as liamoo points out, Hale has been in under-21 squads of ours.
The complaint used to be that the players who switched were hanging around in the IFA's youth teams for too long and weren't switching early enough. Now, they're supposedly switching too early. Which is it?Quote:
‘I don’t have a problem with James McClean. He was 22 years of age, he knew what he wanted. I have a problem when it’s a 16, 17 or 18-year-old.’
He's deluded. I hope Martin tells him to get lost. Any gentleman's agreement whereby the FAI would refuse to facilitate northerners who wish to make themselves available for Ireland would be a breach of FIFA's rules and of individual players' rights under those rules. John Delaney has in the past claimed that the FAI don't approach northern players (and I know this was the case with Shane Duffy), but why shouldn't the FAI approach eligible players? The association would be entirely within their rights to do so, if they wanted.Quote:
To help prevent further seepage from Northern Ireland ranks, O’Neill will seek a ceasefire with his Republic of Ireland counterpart, a former captain of the North.
‘I hope to sit down with Martin and get some sort of gentleman’s agreement whereby if a young boy has represented Northern Ireland at aged 17 to 21, the FAI don’t ask him to change,’ said O’Neill.
That's just not true. For the FAI to "get him", the player would first have to be an Irish national and would also have to want to play for the FAI, obviously. The FAI can't force northern players who don't identify as Irish nationals to play for us.Quote:
If a young Northern Ireland player explodes on the scene and ‘turns out to be a superstar’, O’Neill points out that ‘the FAI can get him before I cap him, they just have to stay on top of it.’
Thanks Dan. Good breakdown.
His comments make me feel sick. For a guy who seems to have much goodwill amongst broader media down here for his punditry on TV3 and time at Rovers, he is well able to spout some bile when he wants to.
The sectarianism point is completely ridiculous, as Dan states. The intrinsic link between Catholicism and Nationalism is obviously the foundation for us pursuing a player, not where he goes to mass on a Sunday (if at all).
Still a bit of time there for Daniel Devine to push on but I'm afraid we have a few options in the SPL at the back as well as him- Carl McHugh, Anthony O'Connor, Joe Shaughnessy (all 4 are 25, co-incidentally).
He's had major problems at club level in terms of game time over the past two or three years, I don't think he was in a position to concern himself too much about international football. He might well feel that he needs to get back to scoring regularly at Championship level before he would even be considered for Ireland. I'm convinced he'd be keen to play for us if he was approached at this stage, he'll know himself the England dream is pretty much dead in the water barring a miraculous transformation. I'd have no problem with him being brought on board as long as his form merits it. He's been very clear that England are his number one preference, which is fair enough, but he's very much in tune with his Irishness also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
YBIG have posited on their twitter account that these might be fake quotes.
I can only find them on extra.ie. You'd think that at least one other news organ would pick them up.
Fluky goal, a Jack Byrne shot that deflected off McEleney - https://youtu.be/ljr2yuNFdJ0?t=1m11sQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Doyle's goal is straight after if you keep watching.
seems the article has been taken off extra.ie.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Until Michael O'Neill publicly states that he did not give those quotes, it must be assumed that he did and the story has been taken down due to pressures from those that are embarased by it and favours are being called in. It will be interesting to see if it is allowed to have a quiet death or if the author will state anything publicly.
Complete and utter nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Why do you say that?
you don't think there's any chance whatsoever that the quotes were made up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
There is no more reason to take the position that we must assume the quotes to be true until proven otherwise, than there is to take the position that we must assume the quotes to be false until proven otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
The quotes were published and attributed to Michael O'Neill. That remains the case. That is the point I was making.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Personally no. If they had been there would have been swift denials via the IFA. If anything is to come now, nearly 24 hours after it was published, it would only heighten my suspicions of it being true with all parties agreeing to try and sweep it away quietly, especially with the friendly in the near future.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Attachment 2654 Rab O'Neill uncle Tom
Good.point. Imagine the outrage that these comments would be met with if they were fabricated? Have they gained sufficient traction for the IFA to become aware of them (genuine or bogus)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Oh they are aware, be sure of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
They are aware.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
I haven't heard any further update. Surely it wouldn't take the IFA all day to contact their senior men's international team manager and provide confirmation that the quotes were indeed bogus, unless, of course, the quotes were genuine and the IFA are keen not to draw any further attention to the matter...
Why do you not think that as the journalist in question has not come out nearly 24 hours after it was published to prove it is true, it heightens your suspicions of it being false? That seems to me to just as likely an interpretation as yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Your argument seems to be that we must believe it as it hasn't been denied yet, and even if it is denied, that will just make you believe it even more. You don't think that is unreasonable at all?
I have no idea if O'Neill made the comments he is alleged to have made. It would surprise me if he did, given he doesn't really have a history of the kind of witless sh!t-stirring those quotes would be. Equally it would surprise me for a journalist to simply fabricate an interview/set of quotes. I don't know what to believe.
Aye, it's gone from here: https://extra.ie/2018/03/04/sport/so...claims-fai-useQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
The content is still on this site though: http://uk.pressfrom.com/news/sport/-...arian-tactics/
That site appears to syndicate content from other sites and accredits Extra.ie as being the source.
If it's deleted from that site, there are screenshots of the content of the article here for anyone interested:
I'm assuming it was this Philip Quinn who wrote the piece for Extra.ie?: https://twitter.com/quinner61?lang=en
The longer there is no rebuttal, the more I believe the report was 100% accurate. Given the complete silence from all parts of the media on this, again the more I think a marriage of convenience has taken place involving all parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Other sources will no doubt leak information in the days and weeks to come as to the stories validity.