Andy Reid(b 1982)

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

I do know something about football but if I didn’t I wouldn’t come to you for advice.

Anyway where did I say that he should be in the first 11? I was at the match today, I commented on his wonderful performance and queried why Trap continues to ignore a player of his ability. I am leaving it at that.

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You were claiming that Andy Reid would be the answer to Ireland's problem of not being able to hold onto the ball in midfield. That is what you said. So you are obviously calling for his inclusion in the squad and for him to be in the first team too.

I don't want you to come to me for advice, because you're obviously not going to take it anyway. If you cannot see that Trap is playing to the system that has worked for him ALL through his career, and you cannot accept that it is the best option for the Irish team, then just go and watch Premiership football and live in your dreamland.

can i ask another question of the Trapaholics?

If Reid wont fit into the system as a defensive midfielder and is (apparently) 6th choice "wide midfielder", why is Trappatoni still fluttering his eyelashes at Steven Ireland through the media asking him to come back? I dont think he is a defensive midfielder (he's not) nor is he a wide midfielder.

Why? I dont get it.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

can i ask another question of the Trapaholics?

If Reid wont fit into the system as a defensive midfielder and is (apparently) 6th choice "wide midfielder", why is Trappatoni still fluttering his eyelashes at Steven Ireland through the media? I dont think he is a defensive midfielder (he's not) nor is he a wide midfielder.

Why? I dont get it.

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Because maybe Trapattoni believes Stephen Ireland is a much more athletic footballer than Reid and perhaps he believes Ireland could fit in on the right as well or play in behind a striker or perhaps because he'd be a good squad player?

Easy one that... try harder next time.

a good squad player? he'd be willing to play right side for the sake of his team?

haha yeah, nice one.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

a good squad player? he'd be willing to play right side for the sake of his team?

haha yeah, nice one.

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Has played on the right before.

You are hypothetically thinking Ireland would join the Irish squad just to be a squad player. Fact is, Ireland doesn't want to play for his country, so who gives a sh*t what you think about him or what I think about him. I'm glad Trap has done his best to try and tempt him to reverse his decision not to play for his country. The c*nt can f*ck off.

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Originally Posted by noddy102

Has played on the right before.

You are hypothetically thinking Ireland would join the Irish squad just to be a squad player. Fact is, Ireland doesn't want to play for his country, so who gives a sh*t what you think about him or what I think about him. I'm glad Trap has done his best to try and tempt him to reverse his decision not to play for his country. The c*nt can f*ck off.

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no, im not thinking anything - you missed the point. I asked a question.

Everyone here is saying Reid is not a Trap type player so he doesnt want him in the squad/team. Fair enough? Well for the life of me i dont see how Ireland is a Trap type player either yet Trap is STILL saying he would be welcome Ireland back to the team. Do you not see the inconsistencies there? Its bizarre. If he wasnt so keen to get Ireland back i could see a consistency in his thinking but i dont.

The bolded part is just stream of consciousness i take it?

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Originally Posted by SkStu

no, im not thinking anything - you missed the point. I asked a question.

Everyone here is saying Reid is not a Trap type player so he doesnt want him in the squad/team. Fair enough? Well for the life of me i dont see how Ireland is a Trap type player either yet Trap is STILL saying he would be welcome Ireland back to the team. Do you not see the inconsistencies there? Its bizarre. If he wasnt so keen to get Ireland back i could see a consistency in his thinking but i dont.

The bolded part is just stream of consciousness i take it?

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Just because you cannot see something, doesn't mean it is not actually there.

Trap is entitled to have his opinions on players. So are we. He picks the team, we do not. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by noddy102

You were claiming that Andy Reid would be the answer to Ireland's problem of not being able to hold onto the ball in midfield. That is what you said. So you are obviously calling for his inclusion in the squad and for him to be in the first team too.

I don't want you to come to me for advice, because you're obviously not going to take it anyway. If you cannot see that Trap is playing to the system that has worked for him ALL through his career, and you cannot accept that it is the best option for the Irish team, then just go and watch Premiership football and live in your dreamland.

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Read the post again Nobby. I never said that he would be the answer to our problems in midfield. What I said was that our present midfield cannot hold possession in midfield and he showed today how it could be done. I never once said that he should be in the first 11 because of the way Trap has set the team up.

Andy Reid should be in the Irish Squad because of his ability to change a game. He is an excellent player and if Trap was not our present manager he would be the first player on the team sheet. He is though and obviously has personal issues with Reid so let’s move on. It won’t stop me coming on here and commenting on Reids performances good or bad every time I see him play.

Is this clear enough for you?

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Originally Posted by noddy102

Just because you cannot see something, doesn't mean it is not actually there.

Trap is entitled to have his opinions on players. So are we. He picks the team, we do not. Get over it.

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yeah and as an Irish fan i have my opinions on the team he picks and i have right to ask who he picks in his squad and who he doesnt and why and anything else i feel like questioning when it comes to the Irish team and their well paid manager.

Get over it.

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

Read the post again Nobby. I never said that he would be the answer to our problems in midfield. What I said was that our present midfield cannot hold possession in midfield and he showed today how it could be done. I never once said that he should be in the first 11 because of the way Trap has set the team up.

Andy Reid should be in the Irish Squad because of his ability to change a game. He is an excellent player and if Trap was not our present manager he would be the first player on the team sheet. He is though and obviously has personal issues with Reid so let’s move on. It won’t stop me coming on here and commenting on Reids performances good or bad every time I see him play.

Is this clear enough for you?

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I want you to comment on Reid's performances. I want you to adore the player, because he is one of Ireland's most gifted footballers of his generation.

However, he doesn't fit into Trap's plans, is not good enough to play in central midfield because he does not have the required fitness levels or defensive abilities. He would be a great player to have on the bench, to come on either on the right or left side of midfield. We are not going to be able to hold onto the ball better in midfield if he is on the bench though, and surely you understand that too?

I would still have my doubts that he would be in the first team however. You could accomodate him in a 5 man midfield, but nobody is going to get ahead of Lawrence/McGeady/Duff in their current Irish/club form in a 4 man midfield. The question of whether he'd fit into a 4 man midfield is already void, since we'd leak too many goals.

Trap has personal issues with Reid. If he got up of his arse and went to watch him play and based his professional opinion on what he sees then I would be happy, but he is not.

Irrespective of what you say, if Steven Ireland came out tomorrow and said he would play for his country Trap would have him in the team straight away and at the moment Reid is the better of the two.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

yeah and as an Irish fan i have my opinions on the team he picks and i have right to ask who he picks in his squad and who he doesnt and why and anything else i feel like questioning when it comes to the Irish team and their well paid manager.

Get over it.

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You have come on this thread here and added an absolutely ridiculous point and then have come to the conclusion that you have the right to question his selection choices.

Thank you for wasting a good 20 minutes of your and my life.

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

Irrespective of what you say, if Steven Ireland came out tomorrow and said he would play for his country Trap would have him in the team straight away and at the moment Reid is the better of the two.

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So then you are saying Reid should be in the starting team? Make your mind up son - and there is no evidence to suggest Trap would have Ireland in the starting team, made especially so by his current form.

No i am not.Reid and Ireland are similar players. IMO Reid is the better of the two right now. Trap does not like him.He likes SI so imo he would accomadate him some how in the team if he had the oportunity to do so.

Trap likes Stephen Ireland, and does not like Andy Reid. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

No i am not.Reid and Ireland are similar players. IMO Reid is the better of the two right now. Trap does not like him.He likes SI so imo he would accomadate him some how in the team if he had the oportunity to do so.

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Well they are not similar players at all actually.

Andy Reid started out his career as a left midfielder/winger.

Stephen Ireland has started his career as an attacking midfielder.

Stephen Ireland was groomed into football when fitness and strength were two key issues in developing footballers. Andy Reid was not.

Andy Reid is known for whipping in shots and crosses from 20 yards out, while Stephen Ireland is known from scoring the majority of his goals from inside the box.

Both players are footballing players, they like to look for the ball in deep positions and they like to pass the ball; short medium and long. That is perhaps their most obvious similarity.

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Originally Posted by LFCSixty/Eighty

Glad you had a good laugh at the that. Imagine an Irish player miscontrolling a football!!!

If you found that so funny, you must be in hysterics watching some of the Irish players attempts at controlling and passing the ball this campaign.

Well, seeing as you only remarked on that clip, just to let you know it obviously wasn't the only thing that he did all match...

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=451433

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I never said he miscontrolled it. Nor did I say I found it funny. Have a pill.

Lets agree to disagree on this one shall we. I have my opinion on the whole Andy Reid affair you have yours. I still think that he should be in the squad for next week and the fact he is not makes me angry. There is nothing more I would like than the sight of Andy Reid coming on in France with a half hour to go with us needing a goal and dictating the game as I know he can.

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

Lets agree to disagree on this one shall we. I have my opinion on the whole Andy Reid affair you have yours. I still think that he should be in the squad for next week and the fact he is not makes me angry. There is nothing more I would like than the sight of Andy Reid coming on in France with a half hour to go with us needing a goal and dictating the game as I know he can.

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Agreed, on all points.

We just have to live with reality though.

This thread rambling on is kinda crazy.

Question: Is Andy Reid a talented footballer? Yes

Question: Does Andy Reid deserve to be in the Rep of Ireland squad? Yes

Question: Has Andy Reid shown renewed professionalism to lose a stone and whatever in body fat (that people were certain he didn't need to shed)? Yes

Question: Should Andy Reid have p*ssed off his new national team manager prior to the first game in the qualifying stages of a world cup? No

Question: Has Andy Reid apologised for said incident? No and recently said he's nothing to apologise for.

Thats the simple case for me. Manager laid a rule, one player refused to cooperate.