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I'm working off memory, not of the actual match but watching videos years later and there was something about it in that fantastic collection - World Cup '90!! remember that binder thing with the stickers!! I'll look it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Just looked it up there and it seems to have been the right decision to allow the goal alright, as clarified in 1987. There was huge controversy at the time though (apparently) and I think the general feeling was that it shouldn't have stood. I'll take a look at that WC binder thing later on to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Bruno Bellone Penalty v Brazil 1986
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It's a little known fact that if a player takes a penalty and it rebounds back off the woodwork without another player touching it, the taker cannot touch the ball again.
i never knew this have to say unless it was a peno shoot out. i doubt many people know this.
Incorrect :)Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
It was in a shoot-out after extra time. Once the ball had hit the post and rebounded out, the penalty should have been deemed to have been missed. I think Clive Thomas was quoted on ITV.
The goal stood but experts said afterwards it was the wrong decision. Morally people weren't that fussed cos the Brazilian keeper committed a blatant professional foul in normal time and was seen to have got his come-uppance. That was before mandatory red cards.
Are you sure about the wikipedia reference DeLorean?
I was correct based on available information.
Sure everybody knows the rules are different for shoot out penalties :)
Yeah that's exactly the way I remembered it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
In what sense?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
am I sure the info is correct? nope
am I sure I posted the correct link? yes, if you can't find it just use ctrl f on the article and type in Bellone.
That's what I meant - because my recollection of the event was the same as yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Maybe that Madrid ruling just cleared it up for normal penalties as opposed to shoot-out penalties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
The madrid rule cleared it up for shootout penalties as well. The refs decision to allow that shoot out penalty goal was supported by the rule clarification.
Yeah, I really had it in my head that type of goal wouldn't stand anymore in a shootout though, ah wellQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
So if the ball hits the post and rebounds out and hits the keeper and goes in it does count?? Thought so.
As I understand it, for a penalty in open play, yes. For a penalty in a shoot-out, no - once the ball stops going forwards, it's dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by harpstilidie
You have to read the Madrid rule then.
Fairly certain I read somewhere that France scored a pen in the shoot-out with Brazil in the 1986 quarter-final that happened that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
The kicker hit it, it struck the post, came back out, struck the shoulder of the diving keeper and went over the line.
EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOKPsc6D7js
It was Bruno Bellone, about 5:35.
Keane's comments today about how the team is deeper than Arsenal and how Spurs want to be in Champions League do not sound like a man who is leaving for Celtic...
Also picked up a knock against Everton? Lets hope he stays healthy.
Have that red binder at home myself, really great read, collected all the issues but didnt get all the stickers. Great picture of Hughton and Gullit on the front.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
You could have read it about 15 posts up in this thread!!Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
Not really. 4 of his goals were in the one game so that means quite a few games he has not scored in for Spurs this season. He's only scored in 4/12 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duggie
Quality collection. There was nearly as much a buzz about it as the World Cup itself!! the red & blue packet stickers!!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by elroy
that world cup 90 binder was quality....i still have mine,take a look at it every now and then,such great memories....they should bring out something similar next year!!one thing i remember about it was that they had denmark in it even though they failed to qualify!!
Does anyone remember the pop up cards they gave out in boxes of Corn Flakes before USA '94? Best memory from childhood.
Yeah I think Romania pipped em at the death. The Danes were the only 2nd placed Europeans not to qualify. I'm sure winning the European Championship two years later made up for it, even though they didn't qualify for that either.Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerboy
Robbie Keane scored two goals against Denmark in a friendly before...:o
Loved those at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Can't place em...remember the gold coin collection, can't remember who supplied it though:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Yep , nearly sure it was Esso Petrol who supplied them. Remember Brian Clough did the add for the world cup 90 binder!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
I sure do, quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Memories flooding back, anyone remember the coin collection Centra put out in 1994. I still have it somewhere, got all the coins, one for each player.
Back to Robbie Keane.... anyone know how he played today?
Another very quiet performance today unfortunately. Subbed just after the hour mark again. Hopefully he has done enough to get dropped next weekend when Defoe is back. A two week break before the playoffs might be just what he needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Poor enough. He was deployed on the left of a five-man midfield in the first half and looked lost, but didn't look sharp even when moved into the centre. Taken off near the hour-mark. Hope he's saving himself for the playoffs...Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Like a few other members of our squad - should probably learn to choose his words more carefully prior to big games. France certainly don't need to be told "we can take them";)
Listed as an injury doubt for France by RTE.
Yeh, just saw that. He didn't look injured coming off. Any updates on that?Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
He was definitely injured. Gallas took him out right when he took a shot from the left hand side of the box. I was very very worried especially when he subbed off five minutes later.
If Robbie and Duffer are injured for the France game we are finished.This is gonna be a very long 2 weeks hoping that nothing happens to our big players
I did think he was limping just before he was substituted, but it didn't look serious
Hmm so a French player, who is managed by a French manager, takes out an Irish player. Convenient.
I thought he might have got a knock alright. Papers this morning said he should have scored twice when put in by Crouch flicks but I think that's harsh. Song madea great tackle on him to stop a certain goal, and Robbie showed a lot of skill to get into the position.
It didn't look like a bad knock - surely he'll be OK in 2 weeks.
Spurs aren't playing again until next weekend VS Sunderland, I expect he'll be fine by then. He was limping, but looked more uncomfortable than anything else.
Robbie played a game for us only a couple of days after his father died, I think he would play on crutches in these games if he had to.
Just scored a bundled in goal. Got into a great position to score.Thankfully this happened just after he was brutally hacked down by Bardsley. Not injured thank god.