James McCarthy M free agent b.1990

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04/10/2010, 10:37 AM
greendeiseboy

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Originally Posted by ifk101

We're not going to change our style of play on the eve of two important qualifiers. Trapattoni's favoured style of play and approach to competitive games is not going to change either, regardless of the quality of player available to him.

While I'd also like McCarthy to be looked at, his inclusion or non-inclusion in the squad is not going to change Trapattoni's tactical philosophy. And while we're on the subject of McCarthy, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the lad is considering his international options. Scotland aren't exactly quiet in their ongoing interest in recruiting McCarthy so perhaps he himself has made himself unavailable for selection as he mulls over his options.

In the same way we didn't change it in the 2nd leg against the French.
We'll have to wait and see.

Funny, as regards McCarthy, was thinking the same myself.
04/10/2010, 10:38 AM
shakermaker1982

McCarthy will get his chance next month (Norway game). He has just got to make sure he arrives in one piece and doesn't miss the squad through injury. Once in then the Trap will keep him around. If I was manager then McCarthy would be selected but what do I know? He's looking the part and unlike Whelan/Andrews/Gibson he is considered first choice at a PL club.
04/10/2010, 11:46 AM
geysir

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Originally Posted by greendeiseboy

In the second leg we went out and played football and went at the French and almost pulled it off.

We were a goal down and needed to score 2. The game needed to be chased.
So yeah, we chased the game against a team who were in a different mindset from the first game after getting their away goal. That's how we play if we go a goal down, the Paris game was no different.

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I dont get your Trapattoni and the economy comments as they dont relate to what I said. Even during the boom it would have cost that much to travel up to a game. I'm lucky enough to be still in a job so the cost dosent affect me that much.

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I took a half day from work - all in all the day out cost in the region of €400 between tickets, petrol, food, programmes etc. Thats a lot of money to fork out these days and for that type of money you'd expect to be entertained.

Considering how we have been playing the game under Trap and you don't like the style we play and style is important to you, would you not be better advised to stay at home?
04/10/2010, 11:51 AM
ifk101

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Originally Posted by greendeiseboy

In the same way we didn't change it in the 2nd leg against the French.

There wasn't a change in approach for the game against the French. Quite the contrary. Trapattoni has shown himself to be quite flexible and prepared to be more positive when we are chasing the game. He's been very consistent in his approach of let's not get beat.
04/10/2010, 12:17 PM
Stuttgart88

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Originally Posted by greendeiseboy

There seems to be a presumption that we don't have the players - I dont agree and to me that's a cop out - we have one or two problem areas i.e. left back and centre mid. But in general we have a very good squad and could be stronger if some of the players being left out were called up or when some of the promising younger players come thro'.

I just dont like the style of play and I'm entitled to that opinion.

I dont get your Trapattoni and the economy comments as they dont relate to what I said. Even during the boom it would have cost that much to travel up to a game. I'm lucky enough to be still in a job so the cost dosent affect me that much.

Oh, and I dont read newspapers especially the Indo.

The economy remarks were in context of the empty seats at the Aviva.

I think we all wish we were more entertaining, other things being equal, but after the 8 years we've had it's all about results for me.

I agree with you on the "we don't have the players" cop out, always have. What exactly do we not have the players for anyway? CM and LB are weak areas, but it's precisely because of the waek CM that Trap sets this team out to be cautious. If not, CM would be more exposed, like it was in Cyprus for example.
04/10/2010, 12:22 PM
greendeiseboy

Geysir

Why should I, regardless of what my opinions I still support the team and I'm not one of the boo boys you hear at the ground when things aren't going right.

I've stated all along that as long as we're getting the results that's what matters. All I'm saying is that we could be more adventurous.

On a forum like this you can comment on matters that concern you and have a debate with others who may not share your view. But thats the whole point of these boards.

I've shared my views and thats what they are.

I'm sure there's plenty who do and who dont.

For you to state that I should stay away is pure childishness.

As regards the French games part of the reason we were chasing the 2nd leg was because of the tactics in the 1st match. If we employed the same approach in the 1st leg as we did in the 2nd who knows it could have been a very different story.
04/10/2010, 1:50 PM
geysir

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Originally Posted by greendeiseboy

Geysir

For you to state that I should stay away is pure childishness.

Not quite, if you are going to go to a game, give a detailed account of all the time it took & the money you paid to get there and expect to be entertained in the way you want to be entertained, then I'd say stay at home.

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As regards the French games part of the reason we were chasing the 2nd leg was because of the tactics in the 1st match. If we employed the same approach in the 1st leg as we did in the 2nd who knows it could have been a very different story

Sure it could have been different - we could have been 2 down in the first game or 2-1 down.
04/10/2010, 1:56 PM
youngirish

Perhaps Trap is simply sticking to his principles and doesn't feel it's fair to allow McCarthy to waltz into the squad for competitive games at the expense of one of the other players when he couldn't be bothered showing up for the summer training camp.
04/10/2010, 2:12 PM
greendeiseboy

[QUOTE]Not quite, if you are going to go to a game, give a detailed account of all the time it took & the money you paid to get there and expect to be entertained in the way you want to be entertained, then I'd say stay at home.[QUOTE]

I'd hate to see your year end accounts if you thought that was detailed.

Look I follow the team no matter what. And, yes i do expect a certain level of entertainment when I go to a football match - what's wrong with that?

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Sure it could have been different - we could have been 2 down in the first game or 2-1 down.

My god. You're so negative!!
04/10/2010, 2:37 PM
geysir

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Originally Posted by greendeiseboy

Look I follow the team no matter what. And, yes i do expect a certain level of entertainment when I go to a football match - what's wrong with that?

This

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I took a half day from work - all in all the day out cost in the region of €400 between tickets, petrol, food, programmes etc. Thats a lot of money to fork out these days and for that type of money you'd expect to be entertained.

Anybody who had been watching the team knows pretty much what to expect.

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My god. You're so negative!!

I'm not the one moaning
04/10/2010, 2:44 PM
greendeiseboy

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Originally Posted by geysir

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Anybody who had been watching the team knows pretty much what to expect.

I'm not the one moaning

Hardly detailed.

Who's moaning, I'm stating an opinion but just because it differs from yours it's moaning - fair enough.

I think for now the news story on the Keith Treacy thread, if true, supercedes anything we've being discussing here.
12/10/2010, 9:55 PM
DeNiro

Don't know if anyone was watching the webcast after the game on RTE, but Liam Brady did not know that McCarthy was still eligible for Scotland. He thought the cap v Brazil locked him in to playing for us. He also said 'someone should tell Trappatoni'. So, this is where �2m a year is getting us. I find it hard to excuse. There was also a mistake with O'Hara if I'm right, that Brady thought he was eligible at one stage and then he wasn't. Pretty hard to believe management don't pay attention to these things.
12/10/2010, 10:18 PM
tetsujin1979

Brady namechecked McCarthy in the post match discussion as well, the tv was turned down in the pub so I didn't catch what he said
12/10/2010, 10:35 PM
Charlie Darwin

He said it was far more likely that a McCarthy-type player would be more likely to break into the squad than Andy Reid. He also said Reid won't play for Ireland under Trapattoni.
12/10/2010, 10:53 PM
TrapAPony

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Originally Posted by DeNiro

Don't know if anyone was watching the webcast after the game on RTE, but Liam Brady did not know that McCarthy was still eligible for Scotland. He thought the cap v Brazil locked him in to playing for us. He also said 'someone should tell Trappatoni'. So, this is where €2m a year is getting us. I find it hard to excuse. There was also a mistake with O'Hara if I'm right, that Brady thought he was eligible at one stage and then he wasn't. Pretty hard to believe management don't pay attention to these things.

Some joke that is.
12/10/2010, 10:58 PM
elroy

Maybe someone should write a letter to Trap and co and tell them that if they are going to be arsed to find out this stuff for themselves then they should regularly read foot.ie.
12/10/2010, 11:57 PM
Sullivinho

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Originally Posted by elroy

Maybe someone should write a letter to Trap and co and tell them that if they are going to be arsed to find out this stuff for themselves then they should regularly read foot.ie.

Brady actually said someone should tell Trap about it... Bloody hell.

I don't for a minute expect McCarthy to defect but that level of awareness (and lack thereof) ain't impressive at all.
13/10/2010, 12:00 AM
boovidge

It's an absolute disgrace that people who are involved in our setup haven't even read the rulebook. I was reading the interview in YBIG with Barry Maguire where he said that Don Givens gave him misleading information regarding eligibility rules. If us lot can learn the rules why not the people who get paid to run our teams!
13/10/2010, 12:37 AM
rebelmusic

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Originally Posted by boovidge

It's an absolute disgrace that people who are involved in our setup haven't even read the rulebook. I was reading the interview in YBIG with Barry Maguire where he said that Don Givens gave him misleading information regarding eligibility rules. If us lot can learn the rules why not the people who get paid to run our teams!

Made the exact same point in the post game thread. It's sickening really. If any of us on this forum got 30 minutes with the management team, we'd probably point out at least 5 or 6 players they didn't even know were eligible. Brady's ingnorance of McCarthy was the most damning error i've seen a member/former member of the FAI. Sickening, the only word for it.
13/10/2010, 6:00 AM
Paddy Garcia

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Originally Posted by rebelmusic

Made the exact same point in the post game thread. It's sickening really. If any of us on this forum got 30 minutes with the management team, we'd probably point out at least 5 or 6 players they didn't even know were eligible. Brady's ingnorance of McCarthy was the most damning error i've seen a member/former member of the FAI. Sickening, the only word for it.

Unbelievable - additionally why are the FAI not ensuring Trap is aware of the risks of his selection policy.

Not that it is any excuse for Brady or Trap.

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