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15/08/2007, 10:58 AM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by finnpark

Only a matter of time before hes dropped from Spurs anyway.

I think you really need to watch more Spurs games so. No doubt he'll be on the bench for a period this season but that's the way it will be at Spurs.
15/08/2007, 11:00 AM
onephillyhughes

Berbatov has looked a bit disinterested so far this season. For me he is a confidence player, if things aren't going right, he won't dig in. Keane on the otherhand will chase players and drop back to get the ball. He does a lot more of the ball than people give him credit for. Maybe thats why big daddy Jol keeps him in the side.
15/08/2007, 11:05 AM
paul_oshea

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For the umpeenth

umpteenth ;)

i just had to because of your previous line :D
Great post again stuts.

While anybody that knows and loves or hates keano, he can be the most frustrating player to watch, and it generally takes him 1 in 3 to actually score, but we dont have anything better, and he does a serious amount of off the ball work and running. I dont think we are in a position to drop him, its as simple as that. It would be great if he and doyle could form a quality partnership upfront.
15/08/2007, 11:07 AM
paul_oshea

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VS Holland in 2005

friendly and i really think we were over-rated in that performance.

Duff scored the hobble wobble against russia i beleive.

Fair enough germany was at the best time ever, and a decent finish but i wouldnt consider it a great goal.
Keane is not a scorer of great goals ( for us at least ) nor is he a great goal scorer.
15/08/2007, 11:08 AM
paul_oshea

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great match winning goal. but his contributions have not been great since.
a very talented player who you just cant rely on to score you important goals. as soon as Ireland realise that fact we might actually get the best out of him.

exactly. agree with that 100%,
15/08/2007, 11:10 AM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

friendly and i really think we were over-rated in that performance.

No way. One of the best Ireland performances I've ever seen. Plus Holland took it very seriously. It was their last match before the Euros, I think it was their first defeat in the Amsterdam Arena since it was built a decade before that. They were loudly booed off the pitch at the end. We shocked them with our passing football. Given didn't hit one long ball all night. :)
15/08/2007, 11:17 AM
KildareFan

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Originally Posted by finnpark

Emmm..... Long, Stokes, Murphy and O'Donovan.

So you think that that somebody who has never played outside the Eircom League is a better player than Ireland's all time top scorer and somebody who in has played in the Premierhsip for the guts of 10 years?

Stokes has a long long way to go before he is a premiership standard striker never mind an international. I saw him for the under 19 at the end of last season and was very disapointed in him and quite frankly, he was crap against Spurs on Saturday.

Long has some potential but are you seriously suggesting we should drop Keane for him for the big games coming up? or Daryl Murphy?

I'm sorry but if you think that, you haven't a clue about football. Keane hasn't been great for Ireland for a while and should be told to play as a forward and stop trying to do the midfields work for them and he is not really a captain but he is far and away our most potent attacking threat
15/08/2007, 11:21 AM
paul_oshea

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No way. One of the best Ireland performances I've ever seen. Plus Holland took it very seriously. It was their last match before the Euros, I think it was their first defeat in the Amsterdam Arena since it was built a decade before that. They were loudly booed off the pitch at the end. We shocked them with our passing football. Given didn't hit one long ball all night.

exactly, and what did we do next? WE NEVER PLAYED like that again. thats gotta tell ye something. Holland had more important things on their minds then.

We lost to nigeria 2 - 0 before the world cup. we didnt do half bad over there.
15/08/2007, 11:46 AM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Duff scored the hobble wobble against russia i beleive.

Wrong game, I meant the friendly win over Russia before the 2002 World Cup. Keane did score, but it wasn't the goal I was thinking of, it was in the next game against Denmark
15/08/2007, 11:50 AM
RogerMilla

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

We lost to nigeria 2 - 0 before the world cup. we didnt do half bad over there.

2-1 no? reid and clinto combining well .
And robbie has scored some massively important goals for us.

holland 2-2
germany 1-1
Spain 1-1 penalty
israel 2-2 ( not his fault we drew that utter disaster of a game )

i dotn believe he's undroppable but the fellas on here saying he's not our best striker need to catch themselves on . no one has done it at the highest level as consistently as him.
15/08/2007, 12:10 PM
shanman2

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Originally Posted by RogerMilla

2-1 no? reid and clinto combining well .
And robbie has scored some massively important goals for us.

holland 2-2
germany 1-1
Spain 1-1 penalty
israel 2-2 ( not his fault we drew that utter disaster of a game )

i dotn believe he's undroppable but the fellas on here saying he's not our best striker need to catch themselves on . no one has done it at the highest level as consistently as him.

NEWS JUST IN!!! Robbie Keane has just demanded a change of position, he says he doesn't feel involved in the game and doesn't trust his team mates to get the ball to him, hence he has asked Martin Jol to move him into midfield and drop the rest of the midfielders.
15/08/2007, 6:55 PM
TheJamaicanP.M.

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Originally Posted by half_full

probably the most over rated footballer of his time, 3 or 4 better irish fowards at the minute

What a statement.:rolleyes:

I've skipped half of this thread because I'm not interested in reading some of the typical rubbish that is posted on this forum about Robbie Keane.

This is a man that has just entered his eleventh season of first team football. He is approaching 150 career goals at club level. He's averaged approximately 14 goals a season during his club career. That's not bad considering that he spent the majority of the 2001/02 season on the bench at Leeds. He's had five seasons at Spurs during which he's scored 79 goals in 193 games. He's been voted by the fans as the Player of the Season in three out of the five seasons. Last season, he lost out to the outstanding Berbatov, but still managed to score more than 20 goals.

Is that really the form of the "most over rated footballer of his time"? If we have three or four better forwards then name them for us please...

Or perhaps you're comparing Robbie to some of his peers in the Premiership? Would you swap Keane for Craig Bellamy (the man who replaced him at Coventry)? Bellamy has a career average of 8 goals per season.
Or how about Alan Smith who Keane jostled with for a place in Dave O'Leary's Leeds team? Again, Smith has averaged approximately 8 goals per season in his career.
How about Jermain Defoe - the man who Keane has outshone at Spurs? Defoe has scored 53 goals in his 143 appearances for the club, a rate that is not as impressive as Keane's.

For what its worth, I would have preferred if Richard Dunne had been made the Ireland captain. Also, I've believed for some time that Ireland should play a 4-5-1 formation away to the Slovaks and Czechs in September, primarily because I'm concerned that a 4-man midfield will get over-run away from home. As such, I would play Doyle up front on his own because of his power and pace. Robbie could be introduced as a sub in the second half.

I thought Robbie had a couple of good cameos last night, including a clean tackle where he had to work hard to track back.

Unfortunately, due to the attitude of some people, I think Robbie Keane is the type of player who's ability and contribution to Irish football will only be understood when he retires.
15/08/2007, 6:58 PM
gustavo

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Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.

What a statement.:rolleyes:

I've skipped half of this thread because I'm not interested in reading some of the typical rubbish that is posted on this forum about Robbie Keane.

This is a man that has just entered his eleventh season of first team football. He is approaching 150 career goals at club level. He's averaged approximately 14 goals a season during his club career. That's not bad considering that he spent the majority of the 2001/02 season on the bench at Leeds. He's had five seasons at Spurs during which he's scored 79 goals in 143 games. He's been voted by the fans as the Player of the Season in three out of the five seasons. Last season, he lost out to the outstanding Berbatov, but still managed to score more than 20 goals.

Is that really the form of the "most over rated footballer of his time". If we have three or four better forwards then name them for us please...

Or perhaps you're comparing Robbie to some of his peers in the Premiership? Would you swap Keane for Craig Bellamy (the man who replaced him at Coventry)? Bellamy has a career average of 8 goals per season.
Or how about Alan Smith who Keane jostled with for a place in Dave O'Leary's Leeds team? Again, Smith has averaged approximately 8 goals per season in his career.
How about Jermain Defoe - the man who Keane has outshone at Spurs? Defoe has scored 53 goals in his 143 appearances for the club, a rate that is not as impressive as Keane's.

For what its worth, I would have preferred if Richard Dunne had been made the Ireland captain. Also, I've believed for some time that Ireland should play a 4-5-1 formation away to the Slovaks and Czechs in September, primarily because I'm concerned that a 4-man midfield will get over-run away from home. As such, I would play Doyle up front on his own because of his power and pace. Robbie could be introduced as a sub in the second half.

I thought Robbie had a couple of good cameos last night, including a clean tackle where he had to work hard to track back.

Unfortunately, due to the attitude of some people, I think Robbie Keane is the type of player who's ability and contribution to Irish football will only be understood when he retires.

QFT ,Amen to that , the man speaks the truth , etc etc
15/08/2007, 11:18 PM
NeilMcD

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Originally Posted by gustavo

QFT ,Amen to that , the man speaks the truth , etc etc

yeah fair play a fair and great post by all there. You have expressed in a fair and even manner something I was trying to get across but could not do so as I was so frustrated by the stupidity and ignorance of some on this board.
16/08/2007, 7:35 AM
Billsthoughts

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

yeah fair play a fair and great post by all there. You have expressed in a fair and even manner something I was trying to get across but could not do so as I was so frustrated by the stupidity and ignorance of some on this board.

football is all about opinions so to accuse anyone who disagrees with you as being stupid and ignorant smacks of a wee bit of arrogance. You can qoute stats til the cows come home but the truth of the matter is most people have seen him play for Ireland and its been a while since he has impressed. I'd happily see him dropped or be given a different role as he is not the man to rely on for goals.
16/08/2007, 9:13 AM
OwlsFan

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Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.

What a statement.:rolleyes:

I've skipped half of this thread because I'm not interested in reading some of the typical rubbish that is posted on this forum about Robbie Keane.

This is a man that has just entered his eleventh season of first team football. He is approaching 150 career goals at club level. He's averaged approximately 14 goals a season during his club career. That's not bad considering that he spent the majority of the 2001/02 season on the bench at Leeds. He's had five seasons at Spurs during which he's scored 79 goals in 193 games. He's been voted by the fans as the Player of the Season in three out of the five seasons. Last season, he lost out to the outstanding Berbatov, but still managed to score more than 20 goals.

Is that really the form of the "most over rated footballer of his time"? If we have three or four better forwards then name them for us please...

Or perhaps you're comparing Robbie to some of his peers in the Premiership? Would you swap Keane for Craig Bellamy (the man who replaced him at Coventry)? Bellamy has a career average of 8 goals per season.
Or how about Alan Smith who Keane jostled with for a place in Dave O'Leary's Leeds team? Again, Smith has averaged approximately 8 goals per season in his career.
How about Jermain Defoe - the man who Keane has outshone at Spurs? Defoe has scored 53 goals in his 143 appearances for the club, a rate that is not as impressive as Keane's.

For what its worth, I would have preferred if Richard Dunne had been made the Ireland captain. Also, I've believed for some time that Ireland should play a 4-5-1 formation away to the Slovaks and Czechs in September, primarily because I'm concerned that a 4-man midfield will get over-run away from home. As such, I would play Doyle up front on his own because of his power and pace. Robbie could be introduced as a sub in the second half.

I thought Robbie had a couple of good cameos last night, including a clean tackle where he had to work hard to track back.

Unfortunately, due to the attitude of some people, I think Robbie Keane is the type of player who's ability and contribution to Irish football will only be understood when he retires.

Agree with most of that except the 4-5-1. Have always hated that formation for it means the ball is seldom long in the opposition half and no sooner than we regain possession, than we lose it again.
16/08/2007, 9:20 AM
paul_oshea

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Unfortunately, due to the attitude of some people, I think Robbie Keane is the type of player who's ability and contribution to Irish football will only be understood when he retires.

kinda like niall quinn.
16/08/2007, 10:36 AM
eirebhoy

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Agree with most of that except the 4-5-1. Have always hated that formation for it means the ball is seldom long in the opposition half and no sooner than we regain possession, than we lose it again.

Tell that to Milan, Roma, Barcelona, Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea, etc, etc. ;) The 4-5-1/4-3-3 formation is pretty popular these days.
19/09/2007, 4:28 PM
mackannovic

Robbie Keane

[FONT=Courier][SIZE=2]Personally I think his performances for Ireland have been atrocious of late and would be in favour of him being dropped from the first XI. How this man can carry the armband for Ireland knowing well that Richie Dunne is doing his job is beyond me. He's become immune to substitution purely because of who he is and I think at times that holds us back. All through this campaign he's been muck and deserves to be dropped

Just to confirm here's his poxy goalscoring record.
31 goals.... 19 competitive, 12 in friendlies
Since the world cup in 2002, he's scored 8 competitive goals. 3 against
san marino, 2 against Faroe Islands (1 of them a penalty) one against
Israel, one against (I think) Georgia. All at Lansdowne
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19/09/2007, 4:33 PM
Torn-Ado

And one against Cyprus.

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