Terry Venables

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Originally Posted by ifk101

The FAI hasn't clearly learned from the mistakes made with Stan. IMO it's wasn't the appointment of Stan that was the critical mistake but the process that lead to his appointment. This process is still in place and it's a process I have little faith or trust in.

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Nope it was the appointemnet of Stan that was the mistake. Even if they had carried out a national referendum the selection of Stan would have been wrong. On the other hand if Delaney had consulted the tea leaves and decided on Leo Bennhakker it would have been fine. It's another example of the FAI obsession with process and power. No-one in the FAI seems too bothered as to who is appointed just that the junior representative for Monaghan women's football is not being consulted.

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Originally Posted by Paulh

I've read a number of articles from Rio Ferdinand where he has praised Venables for giving him sound tactical advice and making him a better player.

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There is a recommendation if I ever heard one, Rio Ferdinand - one of the games deep thinkers :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Schlooooomp

There is a recommendation if I ever heard one, Rio Ferdinand - one of the games deep thinkers :rolleyes:

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You spelt "tinkers" wrong

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Originally Posted by Paulh

I've read a number of articles from Rio Ferdinand where he has praised Venables for giving him sound tactical advice and making him a better player.

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Would that be advice like this: from http://www.football365.com/story/0,1...899984,00.html

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The Bloke's A Genius
As reported by The Daily Mail:

'Terry Venables made his way across the training pitch at Carrington, pulled Rio Ferdinand aside and quietly reminded the England defender that he had the ability to carry the ball out from the back.

'Those precious moments, the nugget of information or the tactical insight from an experienced member of the backroom team, can make players feel a million dollars.

'The following evening - August 16, 2006 - Ferdinand did just that during England's 4-0 destruction of Greece in Steve McClaren's first game in charge.

'Venables had won the players over and McClaren was convinced his appointment was the right decision.'

Coaching is just sooooo difficult.

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So he told Rio that he can run with the ball. Genius.

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Originally Posted by Scram

You spelt "tinkers" wrong

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Indeed :D

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Would that be advice like this: from http://www.football365.com/story/0,1...899984,00.html


So he told Rio that he can run with the ball. Genius.

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Surprised Rio didn't pick it up.

can we have some kind of ANTI TEL pressure group? Every media article I've read seems to think his appointment would go well with the fans???!!! Are they having a laugh. Now I hear that the 3 man panel is Bobby Robson, David Pleat and Howe. WTF is going on?

Maybe we should turn this thread into a poll? I don't think there is more than a handful on this thread who are in favour of his appointment.
Plus lets be honest we know certain sections of the media read this forum. A resounding 90 % anti- Venables would do wonders for his Paddy Power odds!

So mods can a poll be set up for a simple "Yes" or "No" asking whether we want Venables or not please?

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Maybe we should turn this thread into a poll? I don't think there is more than a handful on this thread who are in favour of his appointment.
Plus lets be honest we know certain sections of the media read this forum. A resounding 90 % anti- Venables would do wonders for his Paddy Power odds!

So mods can a poll be set up for a simple "Yes" or "No" asking whether we want Venables or not please?

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and hopefully it finds a way to the tabloids and the FAI. If they seriously believe Venables is a fans favourite then they are deluded.

Can we start chain mailing the FAI to ensure they don't go down this route?

poll added.

I'll be the first to say I voted no. And if he is appointed and does well, I'll be the first to say.......

.... that someone hijacked my account around Mid Nov 2007 and that I'm actually in favour of his appointment! :)

Lads I voted against Venables but do you think his personality and his dodginess is one of the main reasons so many of us are against him. There is turmoil in my brain over this one at the moment.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Lads I voted against Venables but do you think his personality and his dodginess is one of the main reasons so many of us are against him. There is turmoil in my brain over this one at the moment.

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I wouldn;t say there is a definable reason Neil, I'd more say its a culmination of things.
His dodgy dealings.
His recent associations with mediocrisy.
The hard sell by Fanning and others.
His abiltity to leave a job himself better off than when he started , that is, a pay-off.

It would be nice to appoint a manager for a two and a half year term, said manager finishes his contract, and then we negotiate on another or start again. It can't be that hard can it?

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Lads I voted against Venables but do you think his personality and his dodginess is one of the main reasons so many of us are against him. There is turmoil in my brain over this one at the moment.

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My real worry is I can't see him getting us to the WC. I think he is a reasonable coach. The players like him. I just think he lacks that extra bit of something to get us over the line. The "arfur Daley" stuff means nothing to me. Charlton was a dour ITV pundit before he took over the Ireland job. There is no way the players would have chosen him over Bob Paisley. Yet he had that extra something, football nous or (luck?) to get us to 3 finals.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Lads I voted against Venables but do you think his personality and his dodginess is one of the main reasons so many of us are against him. There is turmoil in my brain over this one at the moment.

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Simple: I don't believe he's an improvement on the previous manager, not by a long chalk. We can do much better.

There should be a third option on that poll: "Yes", "No", and "F*ck No"

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Maybe we should turn this thread into a poll? I don't think there is more than a handful on this thread who are in favour of his appointment.
Plus lets be honest we know certain sections of the media read this forum. A resounding 90 % anti- Venables would do wonders for his Paddy Power odds!

So mods can a poll be set up for a simple "Yes" or "No" asking whether we want Venables or not please?

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Philip Quinn in today's Indo takes takes the view that 'A Venables-Townsend ticket would be well received by some Irish fans'. . I wonder where he has taken his soundings from? Not from here, methinks.

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

can we have some kind of ANTI TEL pressure group? Every media article I've read seems to think his appointment would go well with the fans???!!! Are they having a laugh. Now I hear that the 3 man panel is Bobby Robson, David Pleat and Howe. WTF is going on?

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2 pensioners and a perv*rt, just the job!

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Lads I voted against Venables but do you think his personality and his dodginess is one of the main reasons so many of us are against him. There is turmoil in my brain over this one at the moment.

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I actually have no problem with his personality, it would be a welcome improvement on Stan. However his dodginess is something that worries me, sure a person needs to be appropriately compensated for the job they do, venables takes this to extremes and bar the England coaching job, his last number of forays into management have been driven for purely financial reasons.

His record is another aspect that I have issue with, it is vastly inflated, Euro 96 bugs me no end. He didn't qualify the team, he didn't win the tournament, he won 2 games out of 5 in 90 mins, England were playing at home (Yuri Geller won the Scotland game for them by moving the ball as Gary Mac was about to strike it for the penalty :D).

I think there are numerous objective reasons why venables is not the right man for the irish job.

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Originally Posted by Superhoops

2 pensioners and a perv*rt, just the job!

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lol...great ring to it

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Lads I voted against Venables but do you think his personality and his dodginess is one of the main reasons so many of us are against him. There is turmoil in my brain over this one at the moment.

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No, his record in recent years is awful. His last 6 jobs in football have been failures, As manager with Australia, Cyrstal Palace and Leeds, on the board at Pompey, coached Boro to 7 wins from 25 games and as assistant manager with England.

He's obviously a chancer but his mangerial record is actually average and has been talked up by his drinking buddies in the media (he owned the club, 'Scribes', that they all drank in back in the day). Plus his best days are long behind him.

He took a team that O'Leary, for all his faults, had in the top 5 to relegation trouble, that should tell you all you need to know.

I'd have 'No, he's a crap manager' as the choice in the poll rather then it be the fact he's a chancer!

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Originally Posted by Schlooooomp

(Yuri Geller won the Scotland game for them by moving the ball as Gary Mac was about to strike it for the penalty :D).

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:D
I forgot about that one.

Venables glory days were 25 years ago with Palace and QPR. Having mates in the media to keep your profile high is just not enough for me. Spurs, failure, leeds failure, boro failure, australia failure, No thanks El Tel:rolleyes:

Is the FAI even aware of the opposition to Venables as manager? If their only contact with the fanbase is through the media (and sometimes it seems that it is) then they'll only be aware of the support Venables has from people like Dion Fanning.
I'd feel slightly (only slightly mind you) better if there was some acknowledgment of this from the FAI.

40 - 0 against venables at this stage, are we actually a good cross section of Irish fans from which to take a reading. Is their something about the particular demographic on this site that causes us to dislike venables (bar the fact that he is ****e). I know that the numbers should change somewhat but I am even surprised at 40 - 0 at this early stage.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Is the FAI even aware of the opposition to Venables as manager? If their only contact with the fanbase is through the media (and sometimes it seems that it is) then they'll only be aware of the support Venables has from people like Dion Fanning.
I'd feel slightly (only slightly mind you) better if there was some acknowledgment of this from the FAI.

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Alan Hunter thinks TV is a good bloke! :D

In response to Schlooooomp.

No, I'd talk to plenty of Ireland fans who don't post here and no one to a man wants him. These are people who I'd have had plenty of differences of opinion with regarding managers, Saipan etc over teh years but to a man they all think it's teh wrong appointment.

Worth e mailing the likes of Daniel McDonnell or Eamon Carr at the indo or any other journalists against the appointment if the poll starts getting decent numbers on it?

Garry Doyle in the Mirror was dead against it last week but seems to think it's going to happen regardless now. Hyland is up on his high horse banging on in the Herald again today.

Anyone hear Gift Grub this morning by the way?

Only Fools and Horses with Tel Boy, Satn as Rodney and Bobby Robson as Grandad??

Quality! At least Mario Rosenstock won't be stuck for raw material....

the only way i can see vanebales working is this:

a small basic salary
a bonus per every 5 ranking places we rise
a huge bonus for qualifiying
a even bigger bonus for making the quarter finals
even bigger one for winnering the thing

he's obsessed with money

we'd need to ban from:
publising a book
doing advertising related to being ireland manager
doing a newspaper column
making money from public appearances

Venables saw what chartlon did and sees this job as an earner!

The only thing I can say for Venables is that he must be one charming individual because nobody ever seems to have a bad word to say about him. Players love him, pundits love him, etc.

I'd say he's the type of cockney wideboy who could rob your car and sell it back to you and you'd be grateful for it.

So far 100% is not in favour of him , can all of us be wrong ??? and by the way it's 48 -0 at the moment .

I voted no aswell, but the reason it is a landslide at the moment on this site is probably down to the well thought out reasoning on threads like the Roy Hodgson one. We're all vey informed on here now so know we can do better than Venables. With all the facts presented here I doubt anyone would go for Venebles over someone like Hodgson.

I guess no one will vote yes if he's not their no 1.

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Originally Posted by Superhoops

Alan Hunter thinks TV is a good bloke! :D

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:D

100% against Venables, Delaney will almost certainly appoint him now :eek:

Can this link please be sent to John Delaney. Oh and also to Dion Fanning. But i guess we are only irish fans, he would know more than us about venables credentials:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Armando

I voted no aswell, but the reason it is a landslide at the moment on this site is probably down to the well thought out reasoning on threads like the Roy Hodgson one. We're all vey informed on here now so know we can do better than Venables. With all the facts presented here I doubt anyone would go for Venebles over someone like Hodgson.

I guess no one will vote yes if he's not their no 1.

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Hodgson would be my number one. I would still click yes if the question were about Houllier, Jewell, Jol, hell even Souness. But as you stated we are all football people in here, the most of us have a very gopod football knowledge. We are well informed about Venables past and can make up our own mind. Nobody wants the man

Absolutely 100% NO to Venables!!!!

53-0.............surely someone in the FAI must read this site and see the total opposition towards this appointment that exists.Never before have I seen the posters on this website speaking with such a united voice.

This appointment would be the final nail in the Delaney era coffin!!!!!

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Originally Posted by carloz

Hodgson would be my number one. I would still click yes if the question were about Houllier, Jewell, Jol, hell even Souness. But as you stated we are all football people in here, the most of us have a very gopod football knowledge. We are well informed about Venables past and can make up our own mind. Nobody wants the man

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Hodgson by a mile for me too and yes come to think of it I would probably click yes to Houllier, Jol and other credible candidates too. So you're right there.

Seriously though, what is going to happen if Venables does get the job? Will there be a huge backlash or will we all just get on with it?
I for one would want evidence that they had contacted others and were rejected etc. I simply could not take that he was just offered the job without exhaustive negotiations with other candidates first - that would be the final straw for me.

Will someone ring into Newstalk or text in and point this out. Let them know the Irish fans reaction to having this man as possibly out new manager

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Originally Posted by carloz

Will someone ring into Newstalk or text in and point this out. Let them know the Irish fans reaction to having this man as possibly out new manager

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Just e mailing the last word.

If you're covering the Ireland manager stroy tonight then this may be of interest.

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=77234&page=15

The link above brings you to a page on Foot.ie, a message board for Irish football fans. The vast majority of posters on it are well informed football fans, a lot of whom follow the team home and away. There's been a lot of debate on the forum regarding the people being mentioned in connection to the Ireland job and indeed there's individual threads for other candidates such as Roy Hodgson, Graeme Souness, even Liam Brady.

A poll was put up on the Venables thread earlier today to guage if anyone wants him to be appointed. So far 56 people have voted with 100% of them totally opposed to the idea. This, on on a forum where differnce of opinion on everthing from previous mangers, players though Sapian are the norm. Yet no one wants this man in charge.

I'd suggest that a lot of posters on the site would have a better knowledge of the game then the various hacks who seem blinkered to the fact that this man has failed in his last 6 jobs in football unless you count 7 or 8 wins in 25 games with Boro a success.

John Delaney will be playing with fire on this appointment, I've never seen such unamimous agreement from a cross section of fans regarding an appointment.

Shame on cavan fan and slow 2 anger:D

Agree with btid this is the most unanimous voting in terms of football that I've seen on this site.