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The longer this whole process goes on the more and more it looks as if this is all just a charade and El Tel is going to get the job (or has already got it) anyway. Could it be that we, the supporters, are being duped into believing that there is a proper and transparent process at work. While all along the post is going to be filled by the man who the players expressed they wanted during their meeting with Delaney in Cardiff on the eve of our final qualification game??
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Its been a joke since the day they decided to put the current under 21 manager, who might i add is doing a dreadful job with them, on the committee. How in gods name can having him on the committee be justified. The fact that he is attending a coaching meeting next week while the process is still going on again shows the process is a joke. On your point i dont think the players should have been asked for their opinion at all. The players got what they wanted in the manager with Stan and mick Byrne back, look how that ended up
I honestly don't think the 3 wise men would act as Delaney's puppets.
Don Givens doesn't seem to be that kind of character, and I can't see Houghton going along with it either.
The only way Venables will be appointed is if he is deemed the best man for the job, but considering the largely negative public reaction on supporters sites like this, and the rumours that a large chunk of the FAI board would be against his appointment, I have a hard time believing he'll actually get it.
now beginning to think its a sham but what keeps me thinking that it may be a genuine process is that i dont think houghton would let himself be used like that unless he has been fooled into it
I think you're being slightly naive. Why wouldn't Givens be that type of character. After all, he's done an abonimal job with the U 21's and has never been in trouble of losing his job, the fcukin joker.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
As for Houghton, he may be a legend for achievements on the pitch, but have you heard him either commentating or analysing on RTE? You wouldn't know he is an ex-pro, hell he makes Kenny (pronounce ev-er-y let-ter in the al-pha-bet) CUnningham sound like Helenio Herrara.
Neither of us know Givens personally, and I'm certainly not defending his management record with the U-21s, which as you say is abominable, but he comes across as a combative character who doesn't really take ****.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
I have a hard time seeing him pushed around by the likes of Delaney.
In any event, if the board don't want Venables, and there seems to be rumours of that, then it doesn't really matter if the 3 dons put him forward as their first choice.
In any event, I get the impression the 3 lads are not making the appointment- they are just giving a list of interested candidates who have been interviewed in the order that they rate them.
That's why you hear things like, "the 3 wise men will present their shortlist to the board in early February following the January 22nd meeting."
Givens keeps saying it's his belief that the panel will go with the manager they put forward. I think that's what he wants to believe but he probably has his doubts.
I Think the whole conspiracy theory thing is getting a bit carried away. why are people on here so sure that El Tel will get the job, do they know something the journo's, the bookie's and the 3 Don's don't? why would the FAI drag this process on so long if they already had their man, what exactly would they achieve by announcing that the 3 wise men had decided on Venables in February in stead of announcing in January that the three wise men have decided on Venables.
If this were a crime it would be motiveless
Roy would say to save money on salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Block G Raptor
Who said it's transparent? The FAI have made it clear that it's being done behind closed doors with this statement which politely asked the media to **** off.Quote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
50 Grand has been bet on Houllier within the last 20 mins on Betfair.
If you think that i suggest you avail yourself of the 4/1 available on betfair for venablesQuote:
Originally Posted by galwayhoop
The idea that the FAI are using a selection committee as a smoke-screen for them to appoint Venables is stupid because:
-they turned him down themselves last time
-those involved wouldn't get involved in such a charade
-if the FAI wanted to appoint him originally they could have, and there would have been nothing wrong with it
I don't like this process or it's drawn-out nature either, but I thoink it is what they say it is and not some conspiracy theory to appoint somebody they could have just appointed anyways.
Proof that the whole thing is a sham is the presence of Don Howe. What other reason could there possibly be in having such an irrelevant figure have such power over choosing the new manager. I think Delaney wanted Venables from the word go, and picked three stooges to make improve the chances of him being given Venables' name to appoint.
I also think all three have behaved terribly - David O'Leary was always going to be in the frame for the job at least, and being available should have been one of the first people to be contacted about an interview. Why wait until mid January before asking him for an interview?? Baffling stuff.
Ken Earlie from Off The Ball spoke with O'Leary today, according to him the Dons and Ray approached him in December for an interview, and he mulled it over, and decided this week not to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
I'd blame O'Leary more there.
Ontheball contacted O'Leary for his version of events and here it is. One of the 3 amigo's (allegedly Givens) contacted O'Leary before christmas to find out if he was willing to be interviewed. O'Leary told him there and then no with a few expletitives thrown in. Then today a journo contacted O'Leary and he reiterated that he is not interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
O'Leary is just getting his rejection in first.
What are you talking about Noely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
I see where you are coming from about this appointment looking like a farce however its pretty clear to me that the media are taking the absolute pi** by keeping the rumour mills going (3 dfferent favourites this week alone). Having said that the muppets in the FAI have set themselves up for ridicule a long time ago. The worrying factor is that El Tel seems to be the most consistant name in the rumours since the early stages. If he is appointed I would have to say that the FAI is a farce.
I agree and furthermore, given that this is the route they have taken, they're right to keep quiet about the status of the interviews and candidates. It's frustrating but it is what it is and we'll know soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philly
It galls me to say it but I actually think Venables' appointment, say in 2 weeks time, looks better for the FAI. They can genuinely say they pursued other options - in Hodgson's case too slowly, same too for Arie Haan, in other cases they got a "thanks but no thanks" and the candidate they are said to have approached most directly is Jewell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tir Oilean
It's a tough one to get right. If they appointed a decent candidate in November and then a better one came available by virtue of losing his job people would say they acted too hastily etc.
In fairness the money on Deschamps and Houllier had nothing to do with the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tir Oilean
the whole point of this process was to grind everyone down to such an extent that nobody could care less who gets the job.
Well, we're soon to hear their deliberations. I think it will come to a vote by the Board similar to the Big J scenario. They may make a recommendation (Vegetables) but will they also say there are one or two other good candidates (Houllier and Deschamps and even possibly Allardyce or Sanchez). Then the tactical voting will come in to play became I am sure the opposition to Vegetables on this Board will be mirrored by the FAI Board.
love that-vegetables!
Wasn't it a case that Delaney stated that the committee would bring just one name and the FAI would ratify their recommendation of that name?Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
The board make the final decision, and Given has said he's confident the board will ratify the 3 wise men's choice; however, media reports indicate that a good percentage of the FAI board are anti-Venables.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
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Originally Posted by irishfan86
Yes, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that the 3 wise mens' choice will not be adopted by the Board. I suspect they will come with a preferred candidate and with two others as fall back positions.
There are 10? on the board with Delany having a casting vote.
Media rumours mentioned 2 or 3 against Venables which is not enough to be decisive.
In the event of Venables being the last experienced manager standing then who is to say that those 2 or 3 will not accept him and the board will reach a consensus.
Well it's starting to wear me down. I was vehemently opposed to El Tel at the beginning of this drawn out process. Now? I'm not so sure. Brilliant tactic by Delaney and the 3 amigo's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
ditto...the longer this gets drawn out and as my favoured candidates (Houllier, Hodgson and anyone but TV) drop by the wayside, the more i'm getting worn down by the whole process, so much so at this stage I don't even care if Venebles gets the job as he's probably the most qualified of the absolute sh!te thats left.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
They better not make the same mistake twice and give this chancer a 4 year contract though...
Me too, at the start I wanted nothing to do with him. Still don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
But if he's the final choice, then so be it. Can we just get it over with?
Lads .. remember the reasons why most people don't want him near the job. look at the mirage of a managerial record that he has.
this sort of ah f.eck it let him have the job attitude will spread ... I'd sooner wish for Sanchez, Davies or whoever else is left standing than El Tel. At least they are at the beginning of managerial careers and trying to carve out a reputation.
Have to agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
I'm not sure it was as clever as being a tactic.
If we end up with Venables having given it a good shot at Houllier and other candidates then fair enough.
Let's see - there may be a twist or two yet.
Venables' "mirage" of a track record doesn't rule him out as a candidate, it means that he shouldn't have been considered a shoe-in for the job above all other candidates. We were right to pick out the flaws in his CV but I'd prefer him to Sanchez or Davies any day.
Houllier, Hodgson, Jol & Coppell are / were realistic candidates that would rank higher than him in my opinion. After that though I think Venables starts to look better by comparison unless a really good candidate from leftfield emerges.
I have to say that I found talk of Phil Thompson joining Houllier's set up very alarming. Brian Kidd would be better equipped in my opinion.
Give it a break - Sanchez would simply start Docherty, Douglas, Carsley and any other waster who prefers the opposition have the ball. He'd drop Doyle, Andy Reid and other creative players and have Dunne, Finnan et al lump the ball to Docherty hoping Keane would get to the breaking ball - somehow i don't think it would work.Quote:
Originally Posted by macdermesser
As for Davies..............Is there any point??
Would it really be a big deal if we waited until April or May? A decision like that would rule out Venables and a hope that somebody else capable would be recognized or stand forward.
Noone would be surprised to hear of El Tel's involvement in a "Bung" throwing incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Anyone aware if El Tel ever had a penchant for Bun throwing?
FAI board members seem to equate Buns with the same disaffection that Dracula had for crucifixes.
This delay allows Givens to select the squad for the Brazil game (leave Ireland out again?). And to pick the team for a game against the greatest international side in the world. Not bad for someone who has been a disaster as our u/21 manager. Reinforces the folly of him being part of the 3 amigos.
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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
THe Times yesterday had a confident Givens alleging that he has the backing of the FAI to not only pick the squad for Brazil, but to Manage the team for the game.
This is arsemangling of the highest order. The presence on the interview panel of someone who's very future depends on the manager chosen shows that this process was not taken seriously from the very start.
Is that what the whole 'interview process' comes down to?
"Hello Mr Hodgson, thanks for coming. First off, your CV looks very good, but who do you have in mind for the U21 job?"
"Well, Don, I was thinking of maybe someone like Chris Hughton or perhap.."
"Do you not think Im great?"
"Well, in fairness, Don, I think your results...."
"Right, well we'll have to stop you there. Times up. Good interview. We'll let you know. Good luck. Dont let the door hit you on the arse on the way out..."
If the FAI wanted someone who was a moderate presence in the English game decades ago, but now only features in the papers for a string of embarrassing episodes and failures they could have asked Elton John to do the interviews.